Curing, a myth perpetuated by bad growers

ttystikk

ttystikk

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I'm just laughing my ass off at the comments here. Knowing @homebrew420 personally, I can vouch for his humility and low key, approachable character. I've asked him some pretty stupid questions over the years and he's never once come across as preachy, let alone a dick, lol

Aaaaaaaand boy, if anyone had the right to get on a high horse about pot... he never would, it's not his style- but really; how many of the responders to this 'trolling thread' (rotf) have held a position as head breeder at ONE OF THE BEST DISPENSARY/BREEDING FACILITIES FOR CANNABIS ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH?!

Damned few is a safe bet. He's been there for years, get it? Not a flash in the pan kind of guy.

I'm just saying that with his resume, If I were many of you I wouldn't be namecalling, I'd be fucking taking notes. I've done exactly that for years now and his advice has always been on the money. I have him to thank for much of my own progress as a grower and engineer.

And as if that weren't qualification enough, he's also a licensed electrician- so his advice about shit you plug in is just as good as it is about what to smoke and how to grow it.

In short, he's one of the most highly qualified people I've ever met in this industry, hands down. With my network here in Colorado, that's as good as saying he's the best there is at what he does, anywhere.

Better yet, don't take my word for it; you can go meet him yourself where he works, he's not exactly making a secret of it. By allllllll means, DO go have a visit; and while you're there, I dare you to try and find just one mediocre strain there.

Homebrew is a troll.... BWAHAHAHA!!! I needed a good laugh!
 
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skunkd0c

skunkd0c

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ttystikk said:
head breeder at ONE OF THE BEST DISPENSARY/BREEDING FACILITIES FOR CANNABIS ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH?!
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never understood the hero worship that goes on in the weed world myself

its all down to personal preference, does not matter how much of a guru folk think they are
i am in the best position to decide what weed i like best and how i like it, same with all things that are personal preference
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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skunkd0c said:
never understood the hero worship that goes on in the weed world myself

its all down to personal preference, does not matter how much of a guru folk think they are
i am in the best position to decide what weed i like best and how i like it, same with all things that are personal preference
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Hero worship is for people who don't know why they're supposed to respect someone.

Homebrew420 has my respect because of what he does- and the results he gets. You can poke all you want at that, there's no hot air to let out.

Personal preference is exactly that.
 
MuckyDucky

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skunkd0c said:
never understood the hero worship that goes on in the weed world myself

its all down to personal preference, does not matter how much of a guru folk think they are
i am in the best position to decide what weed i like best and how i like it, same with all things that are personal preference
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I totally agree @skunkd0c. It's like a bunch of puppies following around a big dog. The big dog isn't special or tough but in the little puppies eyes it is. It is just a matter of perception IMO.

It is my opinion that the trichs will continue to mature after harvest and bottling. If they were harvested in a mostly clear state then it will be better in a few weeks after more turn cloudy, then they will reach a point a lot are turning amber which means they are deteriorating. I am sure one could argue that if this is the case then the grower is harvesting too early and harvesting early is grower error.. I have to store my stash for a long period so I have found that my stash seems to keep longer when harvested young and "cured".

And of course flavor can improve too. The last I grew had decent flavor as soon as it was dry enough to smoke but on other grows it had to cure in bottles for a while first. Do I think that the previous stuff i grew had a grassy taste because anyone who grows weed that has a grassy taste is a bad grower? I think not.
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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MuckyDucky said:
I totally agree @skunkd0c. It's like a bunch of puppies following around a big dog. The big dog isn't special or tough but in the little puppies eyes it is. It is just a matter of perception IMO.

It is my opinion that the trichs will continue to mature after harvest and bottling. If they were harvested in a mostly clear state then it will be better in a few weeks after more turn cloudy, then they will reach a point a lot are turning amber which means they are deteriorating. I am sure one could argue that if this is the case then the grower is harvesting too early and harvesting early is grower error.. I have to store my stash for a long period so I have found that my stash seems to keep longer when harvested young and "cured".

And of course flavor can improve too. The last I grew had decent flavor as soon as it was dry enough to smoke but on other grows it had to cure in bottles for a while first. Do I think that the previous stuff i grew had a grassy taste because anyone who grows weed that has a grassy taste is a bad grower? I think not.
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Right. And how long have you been working at an industry leading facility?

What about your resume? Do you have anything relevant on it besides dealing to your pizza delivery friends or growing dreck in your closet?

The difference between hero worship and respect is knowledge. In this case, his knowledge and experience about nearly all things cannabis related, current topic most definitely included.

You want hero worship? Listen to Subcool groupies. Those idiots will bend the laws of physics to sing his praises- saying shit like how great Dairy Queen is for production.

Everything Homebrew420 says can be independently verified. That's 'encyclopedic knowledge and experience', not 'hero worship'. It's a definition thing. Do try to use the language correctly.
 
Mr.Head

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Flavour seems to come out more for me after a good cure, on several different strains.

FWIW Tobacco most definitely has different flavours depending on how/where it's grown like all plants we consume, they dry and cure it to bring out these flavours the same way we do with Cannabis. That's why Cuban Tobacco is generally considered some of the best in the world while pure tobacco products *not cigarettes* from other regions don't get the same love. It's half how/where it's grown, but if they didn't cure it people wouldn't want it.

I know a lot of you commercial folks don't cure, it's not because you want to provide the best product, it's because you want it out the door as fast as possible and sitting in jars isn't making money. Let's be real. I don't have that problem or a problem with how you do things don't get me wrong. Nothing of mine gets sold so sitting in a jar for a few weeks to bring out the flavours isn't costing me money.

Your argument that curing is for bad growers... you imply it has a benefit for "bad growers" so why does it not benefit for good growers? Is your argument that some folks need to cure for certain reasons to make their product better and some don't? I'd say that's most likely due to drying conditions then grower skill. Come dry here in the summer with 95% humidity, or in the winter when it's 0%, I have quite the swing in home humidity, I honestly need a cabinet I can control year round. A perfect drying environment shouldn't need to be jarred, but the Cannabis is still curing, I have to use jars to achieve the perfect environment because outside the jar I can't maintain a proper humidity. That's my opinion. I can't dry my plants the same way every time because my house is never the same, except for maybe December-March there's still fluctuation but much less then in summer fall and spring.

I'm sure everyone agrees that over fed plants taste like shit. We can all agree on that, it's not up for debate I don't think.
 
MuckyDucky

MuckyDucky

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ttystikk said:
Right. And how long have you been working at an industry leading facility?

What about your resume? Do you have anything relevant on it besides dealing to your pizza delivery friends or growing dreck in your closet?

The difference between hero worship and respect is knowledge. In this case, his knowledge and experience about nearly all things cannabis related, current topic most definitely included.

You want hero worship? Listen to Subcool groupies. Those idiots will bend the laws of physics to sing his praises- saying shit like how great Dairy Queen is for production.

Everything Homebrew420 says can be independently verified. That's 'encyclopedic knowledge and experience', not 'hero worship'. It's a definition thing. Do try to use the language correctly.
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Excuse me but why are you attacking my Ducky internet persona?
 
MuckyDucky

MuckyDucky

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ttystikk said:
I don't care what persona you're toying with, you're making a fool of yourself by questioning the credentials of an acknowledged industry leader.
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Why are you being so hostile? In your world do you just blindly follow without questioning or having your own opinion?
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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MuckyDucky said:
Why are you being so hostile? In your world do you just blindly follow without questioning or having your own opinion?
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You were the hostile one with the namecalling. All I've done is point out how much of a fool you're making of yourself.

As for me not having an opinion... my friends and associates know better, believe me when I tell you that!

However, I'm fully aware of the bright, hard line between opinion and fact- and its immutable location. Homebrew and I deal in facts- independently verifiable, useful, foundational ones that explain what we observe and point in New directions.

Those who watch Faux News might be understandably confused.
 
MuckyDucky

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ttystikk said:
You were the hostile one with the namecalling. All I've done is point out how much of a fool you're making of yourself.

As for me not having an opinion... my friends and associates know better, believe me when I tell you that!

However, I'm fully aware of the bright, hard line between opinion and fact- and its immutable location. Homebrew and I deal in facts- independently verifiable, useful, foundational ones that explain what we observe and point in New directions.

Those who watch Faux News might be understandably confused.
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I see. I am sorry I am like that. I didn't realize I was such a fool. You are a brilliant intelligent person and I respect your sound judgement. Do you think there could ever be hope for someone like me if I listened to you and the big dog?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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MuckyDucky said:
I see. I am sorry I am like that. I didn't realize I was such a fool. You are a brilliant intelligent person and I respect your sound judgement. Do you think there could ever be hope for someone like me if I listened to you and the big dog?
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Why, sure! On your knees and beg now, like a good little supplicant...
 
Midwest Weedist

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ttystikk said:
You were the hostile one with the namecalling. All I've done is point out how much of a fool you're making of yourself.

As for me not having an opinion... my friends and associates know better, believe me when I tell you that!

However, I'm fully aware of the bright, hard line between opinion and fact- and its immutable location. Homebrew and I deal in facts- independently verifiable, useful, foundational ones that explain what we observe and point in New directions.

Those who watch Faux News might be understandably confused.
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Holy shit you have an axe to grind! Who pissed in your cornflakes today dude?
And there's a vast difference between idol worship and respect. You're definitely not the later of the two... Just my. 02
 
MuckyDucky

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Mr.Head said:
I'll just say I've seen very little facts presented in this thread and a whole bunch of hearsay, myself included.
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I agree @Mr.Head. There has certainly not been any real discussion, just feet stomping and name calling to anyone who doesn't blindly agree.

I thought you gave a very good well thought out response though..

Mr.Head said:
Flavour seems to come out more for me after a good cure, on several different strains.

FWIW Tobacco most definitely has different flavours depending on how/where it's grown like all plants we consume, they dry and cure it to bring out these flavours the same way we do with Cannabis. That's why Cuban Tobacco is generally considered some of the best in the world while pure tobacco products *not cigarettes* from other regions don't get the same love. It's half how/where it's grown, but if they didn't cure it people wouldn't want it.

I know a lot of you commercial folks don't cure, it's not because you want to provide the best product, it's because you want it out the door as fast as possible and sitting in jars isn't making money. Let's be real. I don't have that problem or a problem with how you do things don't get me wrong. Nothing of mine gets sold so sitting in a jar for a few weeks to bring out the flavours isn't costing me money.

Your argument that curing is for bad growers... you imply it has a benefit for "bad growers" so why does it not benefit for good growers? Is your argument that some folks need to cure for certain reasons to make their product better and some don't? I'd say that's most likely due to drying conditions then grower skill. Come dry here in the summer with 95% humidity, or in the winter when it's 0%, I have quite the swing in home humidity, I honestly need a cabinet I can control year round. A perfect drying environment shouldn't need to be jarred, but the Cannabis is still curing, I have to use jars to achieve the perfect environment because outside the jar I can't maintain a proper humidity. That's my opinion. I can't dry my plants the same way every time because my house is never the same, except for maybe December-March there's still fluctuation but much less then in summer fall and spring.

I'm sure everyone agrees that over fed plants taste like shit. We can all agree on that, it's not up for debate I don't think.
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Mr.Head said:
I'll just say I've seen very little facts presented in this thread and a whole bunch of hearsay, myself included.
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I'd say the proof is in the product- and its location. Go try his for yourself, they sell everything they can grow. You just can't say that about too many people on this forum, and that is the exactly the point I'm trying to drive home about credibility; how many others here HAVE THEIR WEED AND THEIR STRAINS FOR LEGAL RETAIL SALE FOR ALL TO SEE AND BUY? If there is a higher standard for credibility in this industry, I've yet to see it.

That includes all the spewing by the poseurs here.
 
Mr.Head

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ttystikk said:
I'd say the proof is in the product- and its location. Go try his for yourself, they sell everything they can grow. You just can't say that about too many people on this forum, and that is the exactly the point I'm trying to drive home about credibility; how many others here HAVE THEIR WEED AND THEIR STRAINS FOR LEGAL RETAIL SALE FOR ALL TO SEE AND BUY? If there is a higher standard for credibility in this industry, I've yet to see it.

That includes all the spewing by the poseurs here.
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Just because it's for sale does not make the quality good by default. I would love to smoke some of his genetics, I would love to grow some of his seeds. But I am not from Colorado and don't see myself making the trek anytime soon.

I'm all for keeping an open mind on this subject, and I'm sure guys weed tastes great and sells great and he's a great grower, which is evidenced by his posts/pictures on here. Not debating any of that, the facts however aren't here in this thread. It's all opinion which is fine, but opinion presented as fact does not automatically become fact, it's still opinion. Don't get offended when it's called what it is, it doesn't discredit your or his experience, I just want to see some science.

It would be nice to know exactly what humidity to dry your Cannabis at and for how long to reach peak quality.
 
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Wilksey

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ttystikk said:
I don't care what persona you're toying with, you're making a fool of yourself by questioning the credentials of an acknowledged industry leader.
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The primary goal of the cannabis industry is to SELL cannabis. Period.

Their production goals center around sales, NOT quality, and they would sell buds fresh off the plant if they could get away with it. I am not surprised at all by an "industry leader" claiming that cannabis doesn't need a cure, as it allows that "leader" to avoid a costly manufacturing process and increase their rate of sales.


Is that what the O.P. is doing?

I don't know.

I DO know, however, that being an "industry leader" doesn't mean shit when talking about QUALITY buds, as industry goals widely differ from the goals of a personal grower.
 
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