yea world of weed is right, we both use the ag so we aint puttin it down but its really not the way to go unless you really just wana get started and dont mind spending that money. i mean if you got one and did everything that ive said to do in this thread then youde do pretty good. im expecting right around 2 ounces off it. but the diy rubbermaid works really well, but you need a place to put it, its not like a nice stealth closet grow. but it works very well for stank control, if you make the diy carbon scrubber. thats honestly the way to go, unless like i said you dont know much about growing and just wana jump into it and dont mind spendin the cash then do the ag, but you can just about double your yield usin the box over the ag. peace