Decriminalization YES!...PROP 19 NO!

Yes/no prop 19. Exsplain your answer.

  • YES

    Votes: 57 62.6%
  • NO

    Votes: 34 37.4%

  • Total voters
    91

djruiner

Well-Known Member
i doubt prices will go through the roof, if anything they will go down a lot. Weed right now is considered a black market commodity so prices are at its highest right now. With big corporations and local sellers trying to get their hands on this green gold will cause a lot of competition. Everyone knows competition leads to lower prices, maybe for the first year prices will still be street price but as more big corporations invest and battle each other for customers then im sure prices will begin to drop a lot.
if that was true then ciggarettes would be dirt cheap...hundreds of companies selling the same product...yet prices double by the carton about every 5 years now.this is a give and take system....we will give you this...but we will take more in the long run
 
As much as i admire your hippie dream, its no way a reality. We should all be happy california leaders are even compromising a proposition for legalization, these are huge steps in the right direction. For this reason alone i support the prop. For me since day one, all i wanted was to smoke in peace, i could really careless if the rich get richer off of prop 19, you act as if its not happening now. Every single thing in this world is regulated by big corporations and i expect marijuana to be no different. I would rather the billions go to our government rather then a drug cartel from mexico anyday. Trust me, voting no on prop 19 is not going to get you any closer to your hippie dream as you might think it is.
NO! Voting yes will not get you any closer to your hippie dream, getting your medical marijuana recommendation would though. In America in order to be able to drive you must have a drivers license, it doesn't cost much and isn't even difficult to obtain, you just have to take the necessary steps. If you live in California and still smoke in fear take the necessary steps and get your license. stop crying about what you can and can't do without prop 19 and think about what you can do under sb215.
 

Penni Walli

Member
NO! Voting yes will not get you any closer to your hippie dream, getting your medical marijuana recommendation would though. In America in order to be able to drive you must have a drivers license, it doesn't cost much and isn't even difficult to obtain, you just have to take the necessary steps. If you live in California and still smoke in fear take the necessary steps and get your license. stop crying about what you can and can't do without prop 19 and think about what you can do under sb215.
I'm a 4th waiver bro, i wish i could get my license trust me lol.
 

Penni Walli

Member
if that was true then ciggarettes would be dirt cheap...hundreds of companies selling the same product...yet prices double by the carton about every 5 years now.this is a give and take system....we will give you this...but we will take more in the long run
Cigs are like $5 a pack and contain like what 1.5 gram per cig? so basically 30 grams per pack, and street price for weed is like $20 a gram just cause its a black market commodity. both are easily grown but one is legal and one is not, and thats the difference in price right there. If tobacco was illegal to im sure a 30 gram pack of tobacco would be around a couple of hundred too.
 
i doubt prices will go through the roof, if anything they will go down a lot. Weed right now is considered a black market commodity so prices are at its highest right now. With big corporations and local sellers trying to get their hands on this green gold will cause a lot of competition. Everyone knows competition leads to lower prices, maybe for the first year prices will still be street price but as more big corporations invest and battle each other for customers then im sure prices will begin to drop a lot.
That must be true because the more gas stations that open the cheaper gas gets and the more taco stands that open the cheaper tacos get and the more Burger Kings that open the cheaper whoppers gets and the more soda pepsi produces the cheaper soda gets. Need i go on. Wishful thinking is always lacking logic. If it were true that the price will go down if prop 19 passes then why hasn't pot gotten any cheaper since 1996? More growers, more hydro stores, more stoners, the price of weed, the same.
 

djruiner

Well-Known Member
Cigs are like $5 a pack and contain like what 1.5 gram per cig? so basically 30 grams per pack, and street price for weed is like $20 a gram just cause its a black market commodity. both are easily grown but one is legal and one is not, and thats the difference in price right there. If tobacco was illegal to im sure a 30 gram pack of tobacco would be around a couple of hundred too.
re read that...im not talking about the difference in price between cigs and pot..im talking about the raising of prices when a company owns it...prices on weed per gram per bag whatever hasnt really changed...i pay the same for a 1/4 bag now that i paid when i was a kid...but if it was manufactured and taxed...the prices will go up.since the people have the control over the price it hasnt changed in many many years.but you put a company in control they will raise and raise the prices...look the fuck around,its what they do with EVERYTHING else..why wouldnt they do it with pot.i like the fact that you can make it look like you know what the hell your talking about
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
lets be honest...until it is completely legal its all pointless...all these props and bills and laws they put into effect are meaningless.
That's complete bullshit. Every new law gets us closer to ending prohibition. These things take time. Don't expect someone to snap their fingers and make it legal. It's a slow hard process that will take place in increments. Everything we do counts.
 

djruiner

Well-Known Member
That's complete bullshit. Every new law gets us closer to ending prohibition. These things take time. Don't expect someone to snap their fingers and make it legal. It's a slow hard process that will take place in increments. Everything we do counts.
first of..think of the word your using LAW ....how the fuck can we call ourselves the land of the free when we have more LAWS then any other country in the world.sure they pass this law...they dress that shit up to make it look like your getting a good deal.this country is founded on the belief of say one thing...do another.if they have to pass a law to give you more freedom...they had already taken your freedom to begin with.do you honestly think the government cares about you...like i said its give and take.they make you think your getting a great deal...but in the long run they are fucking you over...ask the indians..they dealt with that before.the use of marijuana should not have to be something written into law.get it right..its about money...its all that this country is fueled by.but they are doing a good job of giving you the illusion that they care about and are worried about making things better for you....take a serious look at the world your living in
 

Penni Walli

Member
That must be true because the more gas stations that open the cheaper gas gets and the more taco stands that open the cheaper tacos get and the more Burger Kings that open the cheaper whoppers gets and the more soda pepsi produces the cheaper soda gets. Need i go on. Wishful thinking is always lacking logic. If it were true that the price will go down if prop 19 passes then why hasn't pot gotten any cheaper since 1996? More growers, more hydro stores, more stoners, the price of weed, the same.
theres always going to be a base price that retailers resell at, and you think marijuana's base price of 20$ a gram is logical ? no its not, its that expensive cause its illegal. Big corporations are going to set a median price for large distribution and that pretty much sets the sale price across the country, give or take a couple dollars here and there cause of competition but trust me something thats going to be legal and mass produced its going to go down in price compared to if it were illegal, its common sense. I dont even know how people think weed is going to go up in price cause its legal and massively priced ?? doesnt make any sense at all
 

Penni Walli

Member
lets throw this new law into the mix...."DONT BELIEVE A THING THE GOVERNMENT TELLS YOU"
thats fine believe what you want, im going to laugh at you when prop 19 passes and prices begin to go down, im not the only one who believes prices will drop, people writing this proposition even said them selves prices will drop dramatically, you have no idea what your talking bout.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
first of..think of the word your using LAW ....how the fuck can we call ourselves the land of the fre when we have more LAWS then any other country in the world.
If you're trying to claim that all laws inhibit freedom you're just wrong. Some laws make us more free. Did the series of civil rights laws passed during LBJ's administration make us less free? No, they didn't. Not every law is the patriot act.

sure they pass this law...they dress that shit up to make it look like your getting a good deal.
It is a good deal if you know how to use it to your advantage. If you just sit around and don't do anything, yeah, it'll suck and everything you say about it will be true. The law will be what we make of it.

If everyone goes out and gains community support, talks to their city counsels/county board of supervisors, then files their permits, you can potentially end prohibition in your city/county. How is that a bad thing? You do have access to your local government. They almost all have office hours that anyone from the community can come in and get face time with them. The only problem is few from the cannabis community are willing to go talk to them.

But yeah, if you just want to sit their and complain about corporations or the government instead of doing something, then you're right. Big corporations will surely come in and take over and everything will suck.
 

MEANGREEN69

Well-Known Member
lets throw this new law into the mix...."dont believe a thing the government tells you"
first of..think of the word your using law ....how the fuck can we call ourselves the land of the free when we have more laws then any other country in the world.sure they pass this law...they dress that shit up to make it look like your getting a good deal.this country is founded on the belief of say one thing...do another.if they have to pass a law to give you more freedom...they had already taken your freedom to begin with.do you honestly think the government cares about you...like i said its give and take.they make you think your getting a great deal...but in the long run they are fucking you over...ask the indians..they dealt with that before.the use of marijuana should not have to be something written into law.get it right..its about money...its all that this country is fueled by.but they are doing a good job of giving you the illusion that they care about and are worried about making things better for you....take a serious look at the world your living in

much respect to you sir djruiner!!!
 

djruiner

Well-Known Member
theres always going to be a base price that retailers resell at, and you think marijuana's base price of 20$ a gram is logical ? no its not, its that expensive cause its illegal. Big corporations are going to set a median price for large distribution and that pretty much sets the sale price across the country, give or take a couple dollars here and there cause of competition but trust me something thats going to be legal and mass produced its going to go down in price compared to if it were illegal, its common sense. I dont even know how people think weed is going to go up in price cause its legal and massively priced ?? doesnt make any sense at all
there are over 145 million people on this planet that smoke pot.thats more then tobacco...do you think big corps are not sitting back right planning their route and laying out plans.your naive to think that the corps out the are not sitting in an office...rubbing their hands together like a mouse waiting for their chunk of the cheese...no pun intended.inflation is hitting every product on the market.what will happen is this...they make it legal,mass produce it...they make it cheap as hell...at first.then it is so easy and cheap to get it...majority of people with buy from the corps..so now your putting local growers out of business...since they are mass producing it they are looking for quanity...quality goes way down.now that everyone buys the legal..mass produced weed and the local growers are gone...you know..since the prices are so low from the corps....they now start raising the price....up and up it goes..well...noone else to buy from now...so you pay the jacked up prices.this is simple economics that has been practiced here for many years...same as when walmart moves into a small town...they make it seem like you getting a great deal..local businesses go bye bye...and those low prices....get jacked up when the economy is at its worst...again i say naive.
 

Penni Walli

Member
hay man, dont get me wrong im all for the cause of keeping big companies out of this, but do you honestly think we can do this ? Like the other dude said, its better to actually stand up and do something then nothing. complaining how much our gov. sucks and big companies robbing us is not going to get us anywhere, so once prop 19 gets shut down, how do u suppose we get closer to a legal weed and keep the world bankers out of this? You know the whole gov is run by big bankers so they will never pass anything w/o them getting a piece of the pie.
 

djruiner

Well-Known Member
If you're trying to claim that all laws inhibit freedom you're just wrong. Some laws make us more free. Did the series of civil rights laws passed during LBJ's administration make us less free? No, they didn't. Not every law is the patriot act.



It is a good deal if you know how to use it to your advantage. If you just sit around and don't do anything, yeah, it'll suck and everything you say about it will be true. The law will be what we make of it.

If everyone goes out and gains community support, talks to their city counsels/county board of supervisors, then files their permits, you can potentially end prohibition in your city/county. How is that a bad thing? You do have access to your local government. They almost all have office hours that anyone from the community can come in and get face time with them. The only problem is few from the cannabis community are willing to go talk to them.

But yeah, if you just want to sit their and complain about corporations or the government instead of doing something, then you're right. Big corporations will surely come in and take over and everything will suck.
this again means if you believe in the system they are giving you...to be honest i dont trust the government..city..state...any of it..its too biased towards themselves.its the whole americian pride thing...bleed the red white and blue..i get it..i do..still clinging to the hope that things will get better...when under the current system..nothing is going to get better...only worst.they know people are turning on them so they are back pettling...thinking...hmmm..lets give them a little something..make it seem like we are giving them their way and lighting up just a bit...its a front.people cant let go of their american pridce while the whole time going against what a true american is.....go ahead and google this..."it is the civil duty of the people,to stand up a rise against a governing body that is a tyrant"the system is fucked but they give you little glimpses of hope..a false hope...wake up...this is not your mommy and daddies america
 

djruiner

Well-Known Member
You know the whole gov is run by big bankers so they will never pass anything w/o them getting a piece of the pie.
thats my point....you have a government being ran by the corps...the system is fucked and the people that think its just peachy is letting this country go down the spiral its in...the people are letting it happen..when we dont have to...this is a country full of soft people that like a dog just roll over when told....but you sure do love the treat you get for doing it
 

djruiner

Well-Known Member
and did anyone else giggle at the "some laws make us more free" line?should change our country motto to "The Giant Oxymoron"
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
this again means if you believe in the system they are giving you...to be honest i dont trust the government..city..state...any of it..
That's prejudice. How many of your local government representatives have you actually talked to? I'll guess zero. How can you assume such things about people you've never met? Sure, state and national politicians might be different. You usually have to do some shady shit to get elected nationally. But that's not always true with local government officials.

I've showed up to several of my county board of supervisors office hours to discuss prop 19 with them and they were very willing to discuss it with me.

its too biased towards themselves.its the whole americian pride thing...bleed the red white and blue..i get it..i do..still clinging to the hope that things will get better...
Change does happen in the world, but only if you actually show up and make it happen. Having a defeatist attitude only insures that it won't happen.
 
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