Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?

Do you believe Americans who work full time should earn a living wage?


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londonfog

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Naw over a million people in a small area. I had to wait three hours to get a fucking Turkey leg that was expensive as he'll.. you have fun though.. Chicago is the place to be this year. You got the taste you got sporting events you got the greatfull dead doing there last concerthere it's gonna be a madhouse
stop being a pussy, get out and support your city. Stop letting large crowds scare you. No one is going to hurt you.
Tell you what, when I drop in on your city in July, have me a Maxwell street polish ready and make sure you have a soda ( pop ) with that as well.
 
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Wavels

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But McDonalds should pay $25 an hour to their unskilled and replaceable staff cos rich people's are too greedy...no?
McDonald's is desperate to redefine their business model, having sustained severe losses over the last few quarters.
For $25 they will simply switch to machines (robots) and automate their system as much as possible.
At least machines do not pitch attitudes and are indeed seldom surly and rude.
 

Harrekin

Well-Known Member
McDonald's is desperate to redefine their business model, having sustained severe losses over the last few quarters.
For $25 they will simply switch to machines (robots) and automate their system as much as possible.
At least machines do not pitch attitudes and are indeed seldom surly and rude.
I forgot to mention I was being sarcastic ;)

I wouldn't disagree with an inflation related increase in the minimum wage, but you'd have to be careful not to accelerate inflation (and thus making the entire process pointless).
 

Wavels

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I forgot to mention I was being sarcastic ;)

I wouldn't disagree with an inflation related increase in the minimum wage, but you'd have to be careful not to accelerate inflation (and thus making the entire process pointless).
It is absolutely a very fine balance.

But the conversion to automatons will at some point in the near future become quite cost effective.
No minimum wage for machines...
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
too many inhabitants live on this planet to even think your way would work. Everyone would want to do their own thing. The "have not" would start to kill, hurt, and take from those that have. We human are born with emotions. Jealousy and envy would make your utopia a chaotic nightmare.

totally and completely:clap:
 

sheskunk

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Minimum wage should be at 10-12 an hour
In my area it already is. If you move here you'll be able to stop crying about it.

23 text messages received on a tapped cellphone. I think someone accidentally ratted on themself. That doesn't fit the irresponsible, hate filled agenda though. Keep on keeping on.
 

sheskunk

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It is absolutely a very fine balance.

But the conversion to automatons will at some point in the near future become quite cost effective.
No minimum wage for machines...

I'm at work, on my cellphone or I'd offer up some links. They are already phasing out waiters and front counter help at numerous chain restaurants. I see it in the news all the time. I guess if you want to make 25 an hour you'll have to wash dishes.
 

londonfog

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In my area it already is. If you move here you'll be able to stop crying about it.

23 text messages received on a tapped cellphone. I think someone accidentally ratted on themself. That doesn't fit the irresponsible, hate filled agenda though. Keep on keeping on.
in your area they have what they call a cost of living pay increase...and what exactly I'm I crying about ?
 

Grandpapy

Well-Known Member
"Living Wage - a wage on which it is possible for a wage earner or an individual and his or her family to live at least according to minimum customary standards"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/living wage?s=t

Why/why not?


Why not?

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Too lower your standard of living. Just a little bit at a time. The Masters are patient.

According to WalMart Standards Skilled labor is worth .50 hr
And just who's customary Standards?

Let's level the playing field.
It's all about supply chain economics and labor and providing the lowest cost.

Why can't I house, feed, a pay a Chinese worker $0.50 per hr here?
It's giving them a job, and they will be happy and my profits stay here to fund roads, fire departments,,,,,,no know, all those "freedom is never free type of items". And save the Environment at the same time?
 

SirGreenThumb

Well-Known Member
:clap:

Isn't it amazing what you can accomplish when you make sacrifices and work hard towards your goals?
It is.

I cannot tell you how proud and excited I have been this past week after graduating from college. With honors none the less at 3.79. Its an amazing feeling and it doesn't even have anything to do with the money I make but more the fact that I'm the 2nd person in my family to ever graduate college. The amount of hard work that went into keeping my grade up while working full time and having a family life isn't easy, but in the end its all been worth it.

I thought that just going back to school for something I already knew how to do was stupid and pointless, but even though it has been an annoying process I wouldn't take it back for anything.



Good post!

I would simply like to know what ever happened to boot straps?
Every human being is provided with a set.

They are very much worth pulling oneself up with.
It works 98.5% of the time. Even in the current USA!!! Remarkable!
It is simply about gumption or the lack thereof.

Relying upon the Government to pull on your bootstraps for you reflects a dire deficiency of gumption.
This is fixable.
As Nike said...JUST DO IT!
So simple.
I swear there were times where I felt like my boot straps were replaced with bungee cords, but it all paid off in the end. I've been very tired for a very long time. LoL



Thank you two for actually reading what I had to say, there isn't enough of that over here and I feel this thread would be complete if people would just listen and stop complaining.
 

Wavels

Well-Known Member
It is.

I cannot tell you how proud and excited I have been this past week after graduating from college. With honors none the less at 3.79. Its an amazing feeling and it doesn't even have anything to do with the money I make but more the fact that I'm the 2nd person in my family to ever graduate college. The amount of hard work that went into keeping my grade up while working full time and having a family life isn't easy, but in the end its all been worth it.

I thought that just going back to school for something I already knew how to do was stupid and pointless, but even though it has been an annoying process I wouldn't take it back for anything.





I swear there were times where I felt like my boot straps were replaced with bungee cords, but it all paid off in the end. I've been very tired for a very long time. LoL



Thank you two for actually reading what I had to say, there isn't enough of that over here and I feel this thread would be complete if people would just listen and stop complaining.

Congratulations!!!

Hard work is very much worthwhile.
The exhilarating buzz provided by that sense of accomplishment is worth every molecule of sweat exerted!
Good Job!
 

UncleBuck

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I don't ever post in this section anymore but this thread has compelled me to do so.
:WARNING:

Long story ahead.

First, what some are apparently missing is the fact of inflation. Price and quality of goods go up every single year (mostly) while most labor stays the same. The people who have been working at places like walmart who wanted to make a living wage do. They had the initiative and will to succeed and they moved up and started making a living wage while the lazy individuals stay where they are at complaining and living beyond their means.

I've seen it to many times where someone who has a problem, no matter what it may be, spending their paycheck before they even get it. What I mean is that they go to cash advance places and get an advance at a very high % rate. Their paycheck is spent before they get it.

At that time when I worked around people like that I was myself making $7.50 an hour and I lived in a 1 bedroom apartment with no cable and free dial up internet from Aol. I also had a car payment and insurance to pay for as well as food and utilities. I never applied for government assistance and I would always work overtime and do odd jobs for extra money. This went on for a very long time as I had dropped out of high school at 17, obtained my GED as part of the requirement and went to work. It wasn't until I reached 30 and needed a change and realized I was never going to make my goals if I didn't go back to school.

Fast forward to today and now I have graduated college with a degree in information technology, but with the knowledge that I had already learned over the years and the ability to properly interview I found myself landing a position making almost 60k before even graduating and now that I have I'm due to make even more. I have also payed back the majority of my student loans and have been saving for a house that we will have in 9 months.

The problem isn't corporations or fat cat CEO's, its people being lazy. The fact of the matter is everyone has the ability to make a living wage if they try and the people that don't do not deserve it. I don't care about excuses, there are 24 hours in a day and a lot of time being wasted on doing something other than being productive or bettering yourself. (If you are on RIU and complaining about not making a living wage, then you are not doing enough to better yourself)

The next step in my plan is to open an IT consulting type business. (still working on the exact business plan) But when that time comes and I have employees, I will have competent employees and if you do not meet my expectations your ass will be terminated on the spot and replaced with someone who wants to work. My business will pay people what they are worth and there will be advancement opportunities and yes, my employees will make me a shit ton of money and I will use said money to pay for my 2nd house with some farm/hunting land that I will take care of in my spare time.

If anyone has a problem with that, fuck you, I don't care. I came from nothing and have worked my ass off to get to where I'm at.

So there you have it folks, its not about rich white people being greedy or republicans or conservatives. Its about setting out to be something and making something of yourself. Something you can be proud of, something you can pass on to your children so maybe, just maybe they don't have as hard as a struggle as you.

Hard work and initiative pays off in the end if you are willing to work for it.

On an unrelated note: While me and my wife were out fishing today we came across two ducks and I had picked up an acorn and tossed it toward the ducks. Well, the ducks thought that I was attempting to feed them and started waddling over to my truck. I didn't really have anything to feed them but some sixlets, so I thought it would be funny to feed them candy. I started tossing the candy towards them and they gobbled down the chocolate. As we began to walk to an open area to go fish I turned to my wife and said " them ducks must be democrat." Not being political and having a look of confusion, I said, it doesn't matter that the ducks don't or probably shouldn't eat chocolate, they did for the simple fact that it was free and they didn't have to work for it.
(then again, maybe that was related)
:lol:

congrats on your hypothetical business and hypothetical house.

did you ever return all that stuff you stole from people though?
 

UncleBuck

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How is it that I am currently working at a full-time job making a legitimate living wage?
businesses get subsidized by the federal government for hiring ex-cons like you.

in other words, your employer doesn't have to pay you your living wage, the government does.

you are basically free labor to your employer you dumb shit.

WOOOOOOOOOOPS.
 
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