Do you believe in God?

Do you believe in God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 71 34.6%

  • No

    Votes: 122 59.5%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 12 5.9%
  • Total voters
    205
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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stawawager said:
62 vs 113. I'm surprised. Doesn't the 113 know that Something can not come from nothing, that making anything requires divine design?

Where did Cannabis come from? Star dust. Where did star dust come from? I know. Do you?
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Where did God come from if something can't come from nothing?

In both scenarios, "something" comes from "nothing". Theists claim to already have the answer which is justified by faith. Atheists claim that nobody can know the answer at the current time. Since faith isn't proof of anything, it's more logical to assume the answer for the creation of existence is still very much up in the air.
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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Padawanbater2 said:
Where did God come from if something can't come from nothing?

In both scenarios, "something" comes from "nothing". Theists claim to already have the answer which is justified by faith. Atheists claim that nobody can know the answer at the current time. Since faith isn't proof of anything, it's more logical to assume the answer for the creation of existence is still very much up in the air.
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Although, I wouldn't say "atheists claim" anything... To fit into the category of atheist, you just needn't have a belief in god. No claim is required.


Heisenberg said:
I'm not sure what "side" any of us are supposed to be on. Some of us believe, some of us don't, and all for our own reasons. The topic of how matter gives rise to consciousness is worth pursuing, but the fact that we cannot currently explain it would seem to have no bearing on the existential state of God. Whether personified or not, it's strange how God always ends up hiding inside another mystery. While he used to lurk behind stars and planets, the rivers and mountains, he seemed to move on around the same time humans gained a reasonably thorough understanding stars, planets and mountains. God was once the explanation for drought and disease, until we stumbled upon meteorology and germ theory. I guess we know why god works in mysterious ways, because he apparently needs mystery to exist. Once the mystery is gone, God exits along with it fleeing into the unknown. As science provides us with an ever more accurate and comprehensive map of reality, the amount of mystery in the world shrinks, until we have apparently left God with no other choice than to shed his persona, shrink into the quantum, and hide in the space between thought and matter. Fortunately for God, that's probably going to be a safe space to hide for quite some time.
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The old "god of the gaps", argument.... If theists want to relegate god to an ever-shrinking mystery that is unexplained by science, let them. Soon enough, the only thing they'll have left to claim is that god might have played a hand in something before the big bang.
 
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eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Beefbisquit said:
Although, I wouldn't say "atheists claim" anything... To fit into the category of atheist, you just needn't have a belief in god. No claim is required.



The old "god of the gaps", argument.... If theists want to relegate god to an ever-shrinking mystery that is unexplained by science, let them. Soon enough, the only thing they'll have left to claim is that god might have played a hand in something before the big bang.
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What's your take on the big bang? Is it something you support?
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Beefbisquit said:
Of course. It's the scientifically accepted answer to the question, "how did the universe begin?"
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You know that it was theorized by a Jesuit, yes?

edit: "If the world has begun with a single quantum, the notions of space and time would altogether fail to have any meaning at the beginning; they would only begin to have a sensible meaning when the original quantum had been divided into a sufficient number of quanta. If this suggestion is correct, the beginning of the world happened a little before the beginning of space and time.[51]"
 
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ClaytonBigsby

ClaytonBigsby

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Hey Kemo,

Doing well for a bit again, thanks. Good to see you still here. I guess you got sick of the cacophony in tnt as well. Looks like there's a lot of target rich environments in this section. How are you?
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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ClaytonBigsby said:
Hey Kemo,

Doing well for a bit again, thanks. Good to see you still here. I guess you got sick of the cacophony in tnt as well. Looks like there's a lot of target rich environments in this section. How are you?
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Doing well, thanks! Nice to see another familiar face.

(*doing well - again... was there a lapse? Sorry, still a little out of the loop.)

I stayed away for a bit, partly for that reason, but also just because I was super-busy and focused on other stuff. I still like to come here and read up on good info.
 
ClaytonBigsby

ClaytonBigsby

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Been a very rough few years, but I am near the top of the mountain and expect to stay. This place is a break from reality for sure. Some funny folks that provide laughs I wouldn;t normally find irl. Who doesn;t like a train wreck, am I right?

I hope all is well in your super busy world. Don;t forget to stop and smell the roses along the way.

Much love
 
GreenLogician

GreenLogician

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eye exaggerate said:
100% scientific notion. Early religious endeavours tended to all BUT theology.
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Sorry but the point remains that early religious endeavors did not impregnate modern cosmology with a concept of a 'first cause', that's lacking from science. There's certainly no scientific support for one.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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I wonder if the answer that the universe began without a cause is sufficient for people who hold so much of their own meaning in having a cause, that the universe was created for them, to support human life.. I'm sure it couldn't be, so how could they ever accept it even if we proved it? It's not like people don't deny reality today if the alternative makes them more comfortable
 
jonsnow399

jonsnow399

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I have a standing offer to the Christian God, since he loves human sacrifice so much, My offer is this, I go to the Middle East and let myself be captured by Isis. They beat me half to death and then crucify me. Instead of coming back to life, I go straight to hell for eternity. It isn't publicized so I get no credit or glory for it. Now THAT'S a real sacrifice, unlike Jesus' fake one! In return all I ask for is to stop all suffering in the world for humans and animals alike.
You listening God? How bout it?
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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eye exaggerate said:
You know that it was theorized by a Jesuit, yes?

edit: "If the world has begun with a single quantum, the notions of space and time would altogether fail to have any meaning at the beginning; they would only begin to have a sensible meaning when the original quantum had been divided into a sufficient number of quanta. If this suggestion is correct, the beginning of the world happened a little before the beginning of space and time.[51]"
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I believe the big bang was the start of the universe because it was theorized, and then the evidence that supports the theory was found.

"Who" doesn't matter, "how" does.

Anyone can theorize something, whether or not there's a good reason to believe it or not is a different matter.
 
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