Do You Think? It's Wrong to Steal from Wal-Mart?

mcpurple · May 9, 2011

tinyTURTLE said:
not unless someone steals your car and takes all your shit.

have had it done. i lived in a car when i was 16 had all my belongings of mine in it, clothes,blankets, all the stuff i really cared about and meant sentimental value to me, my ID, my SS card every thing was in it. then after it was found it was smashed cuz i was in jail and could not retrieve it. then i get released have no where to go have nothing to my name but what i went to jail in witch was a pair of shorts and no shirt. then less then a week later i break my back in 2 places and get thrown in jail the same night after a month in jail i get out still have nothing and then get sent to a rehab. i think ive been paid back for most of my bad shit ive done but im sure more will come.

see4 · May 9, 2011

smokermore said:
ugh...so simple minded... what about that great example given earlier bout a 10 year old steals to survive....

You are missing the point of the question and my answer. The question was, "is there anything wrong with stealing...." -- the answer is yes. Period. It is wrong to take something that belongs to someone else without their consent. Period.

Now -- what you are suggesting is something completely different. Or rather it's a facet of survival over stealing. Stealing is still wrong in the instance, but is understandable.

So no, smokermore -- you are the simpleton. Your narrow view on this matter is clear. I answered the question the OP thread stated. If the OP wanted to hear the opinion of semantics regarding stealing, I may have answered it slightly different. But the point is, stealing is stealing and it is wrong. Period. But in some cases is understandable. Don't troll and name call. I will intellectually run train on you all day long.

smokermore · May 9, 2011

see4 said:
You are missing the point of the question and my answer. The question was, "is there anything wrong with stealing...." -- the answer is yes. Period. It is wrong to take something that belongs to someone else without their consent. Period.

Now -- what you are suggesting is something completely different. Or rather it's a facet of survival over stealing. Stealing is still wrong in the instance, but is understandable.

So no, smokermore -- you are the simpleton. Your narrow view on this matter is clear. I answered the question the OP thread stated. If the OP wanted to hear the opinion of semantics regarding stealing, I may have answered it slightly different. But the point is, stealing is stealing and it is wrong. Period. But in some cases is understandable. Don't troll and name call. I will intellectually run train on you all day long.

lol...... i instantly felt a little jab in your first post by saying my post was childish. its clear you like to argue, and your prob good at it, id rather not. thats childish if u ask me

puffenuff · May 9, 2011

please stop using the 10 year old kid living on the streets as a good example of when it's appropriate to steal...the fact that the kid is without a home is sad indeed, but stealing is still wrong, even if for survival. The homeless child should be picked up, which would likely eventually happen should his/her theiving habbits continue, and placed in a group home or orphanage of some sort. This is the help that child needs, not the go ahead to steal...

The Cryptkeeper · May 9, 2011

I don't care if you murder a person, I just think you should man up and accept the consequences of your actions.

Vices · May 9, 2011

puffenuff said:
but stealing is still wrong, even if for survival...

And where do you get your morals from sir? Is it the book in the nightstand?
I cannot fathom for a second how anyone would rather cease to exist then do anything - let alone steal.
I can tell you are in a state of illusion, most people if not anyone would cannibalize someone to exist.
We are sophisticated animals with opposable thumbs - don't forget that.

mcpurple · May 9, 2011

puffenuff said:
please stop using the 10 year old kid living on the streets as a good example of when it's appropriate to steal...the fact that the kid is without a home is sad indeed, but stealing is still wrong, even if for survival. The homeless child should be picked up, which would likely eventually happen should his/her theiving habbits continue, and placed in a group home or orphanage of some sort. This is the help that child needs, not the go ahead to steal...

and if no one does pick up the kid( witch is what usally happens now days unless it is a chi-mo) then what?
im not saying its OK to steal im saying its not bad when it needs to be done to survive and your not excessive about it. and FYI most group homes and orphanages are even worse for a child they fuck up kids more then any one else. i agree that the kid should get help but if he doesnt what do you expect him to do not eat, drink, or even be warm at night? i only used the 10 year old as an example cuz i see it every day and i was one of those kids, i was not as young as ten but still very young. i did what i had to do then i got offered a bit of help and took it. and today i dont steal, or rob or anything of that sort things you do as a youngster dont always make who you are when your older. changes happen

see4 · May 9, 2011

smokermore said:
lol...... i instantly felt a little jab in your first post by saying my post was childish. its clear you like to argue, and your prob good at it, id rather not. thats childish if u ask me

Then I apologize for making you think I was taking a jab at you. I just think the idea that someone thinks that stealing is ok, is a little silly. And from the many comments in this thread, I'd say most would agree. Arguing is not childish - in fact just the opposite - it helps expands one's thought process, it opens up the door to looking at a particular subject from different viewpoints.

see4 · May 9, 2011

Vices said:
And where do you get your morals from sir? Is it the book in the nightstand?
I cannot fathom for a second how anyone would rather cease to exist then do anything - let alone steal.
I can tell you are in a state of illusion, most people if not anyone would cannibalize someone to exist.
We are sophisticated animals with opposable thumbs - don't forget that.

There is a difference between being wrong, morally wrong, and understood. Stealing is stealing, it is wrong, no matter how you paint it. BUT -- in some circumstances, it is understandable. Very big distinction. I think that is the point people are trying to make, at least that is what I'm trying to say.

see4 · May 9, 2011

Here is one way to argue this.

Stealing is stealing. Correct? Stealing is not fishing, stealing is not sex, stealing is stealing. Yes? Everyone agree? Ok good.
Taking something that does not belong to you from someone who possess it is considered stealing. Yes? Ok good. Moving on.
Stealing is wrong. Yes? Ok good.

Murder is murder. Correct? Murder is not eating, murder is not driving, murder is murder. Yes? Everyone agree? Ok good.
Taking someones life is considered murder. Yes? Ok good. Moving on.
Murder is wrong. Yes? Ok good.

A woman who has been beaten everyday of her life finally exacts revenge on her husband because it's the only way out for her, by killing him. This is murder. Yes? Is it wrong? Yes. But is it justified? I would say yes. BUT it's still fucking wrong.

A 10 year old boy shop lifts from Wal Mart. He is hungry. He is homeless. But he stole something. Is this 'stealing'? Yes. Of course. Is it justified. Yep, sure is. BUT it's still fucking wrong.

Thread is complete. Go about your business.

skiweeds · May 9, 2011

i dont like the idea of stealing unless its done to someone who deserves it such as stealing something back that was yours to begin with, or from someone that fucked you over. its just not worth the risk of getting caught. i also dont really think it is as bad as stealing from a person or small business because walmart is loaded. but walmart also gives everyday low prices. i grew up and never stole anything except from people that i thought were my friends and fucked me over. amazing how many scum bags are out there now a days. being broke or in poverty is no excuse. quit having so many kids and spending all your money on pot which you can legally grow yourself for much cheaper.

smokermore · May 9, 2011

see4 said:
Then I apologize for making you think I was taking a jab at you. I just think the idea that someone thinks that stealing is ok, is a little silly. And from the many comments in this thread, I'd say most would agree. Arguing is not childish - in fact just the opposite - it helps expands one's thought process, it opens up the door to looking at a particular subject from different viewpoints.

apology accepted

. Your right about that, i guess i do enjoy a good arguement, just not when theres bad vibes.

puffenuff · May 9, 2011

Vices said:
And where do you get your morals from sir? Is it the book in the nightstand?
I cannot fathom for a second how anyone would rather cease to exist then do anything - let alone steal.
I can tell you are in a state of illusion, most people if not anyone would cannibalize someone to exist.
We are sophisticated animals with opposable thumbs - don't forget that.

Hold on, where did I state that someone should die before stealing? Never said that, thank you...of course stealing for survival is better than dying, but that doesnt take away the fact that it is wrong or illegal. sorry if I have no sympathy for theives of any nature, our society makes it possible to survive without stealing. And I have no sympathy for them if they choose to steal instead of use the resources that my tax dollars are providing

see4 · May 9, 2011

skiweeds said:
i dont like the idea of stealing unless its done to someone who deserves it such as stealing something back that was yours to begin with, or from someone that fucked you over. its just not worth the risk of getting caught. i also dont really think it is as bad as stealing from a person or small business because walmart is loaded. but walmart also gives everyday low prices. i grew up and never stole anything except from people that i thought were my friends and fucked me over. amazing how many scum bags are out there now a days. being broke or in poverty is no excuse. quit having so many kids and spending all your money on pot which you can legally grow yourself for much cheaper.

Hmm, let me dismantle this one, piece by piece.

"i dont like the idea of stealing unless its done to someone who deserves it such as stealing something back that was yours to begin with" -- Wouldn't that simply be taking back possession of that is rightfully yours? That is not stealing.

"or from someone that fucked you over." -- That's stealing, you are no better than the person who fucked you over.

"its just not worth the risk of getting caught." -- Good advice for those who are morally bankrupt to begin with. Or let me rephrase, if you were certain you would not get caught, would you then steal?

the rest of your thought is non-argumentative. Ill let it be.

smokermore · May 9, 2011

see4 said:
Here is one way to argue this.

Stealing is stealing. Correct? Stealing is not fishing, stealing is not sex, stealing is stealing. Yes? Everyone agree? Ok good.
Taking something that does not belong to you from someone who possess it is considered stealing. Yes? Ok good. Moving on.
Stealing is wrong. Yes? Ok good.

Murder is murder. Correct? Murder is not eating, murder is not driving, murder is murder. Yes? Everyone agree? Ok good.
Taking someones life is considered murder. Yes? Ok good. Moving on.
Murder is wrong. Yes? Ok good.

A woman who has been beaten everyday of her life finally exacts revenge on her husband because it's the only way out for her, by killing him. This is murder. Yes? Is it wrong? Yes. But is it justified? I would say yes. BUT it's still fucking wrong.

A 10 year old boy shop lifts from Wal Mart. He is hungry. He is homeless. But he stole something. Is this 'stealing'? Yes. Of course. Is it justified. Yep, sure is. BUT it's still fucking wrong.

Thread is complete. Go about your business.

i think in my first sentence i said, obviously stealing is wrong, no question about it. just simply wanting to hear yalls opinions under certain circumstances. after reading some of the extreme cases(10 year old trying to survive) makes me feel like i robbed a freaking bank or something. But its completely understood, you dont like stealing of any kind, which is respectable.

smokermore · May 9, 2011

i think its awsome how passionate most of you are about NOT stealing. Says alot about the smoking community. We are for the most part, good honest people.

Vices · May 9, 2011

puffenuff said:
Hold on, where did I state that someone should die before stealing? Never said that, thank you...of course stealing for survival is better than dying, but that doesnt take away the fact that it is wrong or illegal. sorry if I have no sympathy for theives of any nature, our society makes it possible to survive without stealing. And I have no sympathy for them if they choose to steal instead of use the resources that my tax dollars are providing

Read the QUOTE I posted in the same reply, haha.. fuck man you must have some kick-ass weed eh?
Your tax dollars.. Another fucking joke, we could end poverty in North America with 3% of the $1,500,000,000,000 we've spent on war in the last 10 years.
Your tax dollars are redistributed to corporations and the elite.. Not the starving 10 year old to use your pathetic example..

"but stealing is still wrong, even if for survival..."

puffenuff · May 9, 2011

Vices said:
Read the QUOTE I posted in the same reply, haha.. fuck man you must have some kick-ass weed eh?
Your tax dollars.. Another fucking joke, we could end poverty in North America with 3% of the $1,500,000,000,000 we've spent on war in the last 10 years.
Your tax dollars are redistributed to corporations and the elite.. Not the starving 10 year old to use your pathetic example..

"but stealing is still wrong, even if for survival..."

You keep bringing up invalid points to my argument, cannabalism and war have nothing to do with stealing..Some of taxes still go the state run organizations like shelters, so my point is still valid....and yes, keep quoting my main point here...stealing is wrong regardless of the circumstances. Thank you and I'm done here, any further bantering directed at my posts will not be observed by me as this thread has lost it's original direction

see4 · May 9, 2011

I will now officially begin trolling this thread. Please be advised I will be trolling and flaming up this bitch like it was my ho who didn't payz me my damn money. Now go get me mines bitch befo' I slap you with my good hand!

Pimpin = ok. Stealing = wrong. Thread has now concluded.

chillwills · May 9, 2011

Don't be a low-life ass thief. What if you owned a business and every Tom, Dick and Harry stole from you? Even if its just small ticket items, it still adds up and its still stealing.

Don't try to rationalize it, either be 100% legitimate and pay your own way or be a scum bag and take 'short cuts' in life and steal from others. There is no in-between.

I'm not directing these comments to you OP, I'm just stating how I feel on the subject.

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