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OddBall1st

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Well you managed to bring me back here but the full answer to that is too long for me to be bothered explaining again so heres a link that explains it relatively well
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/203984-illegal-immigrants-benefit-the-us-economy

If you look into it you'll realize how much (however bad you may think of it) the economy in the US and also most countries in Europe for that matter, depend on having a workforce who will work for less than minimum wage, without it the country would stop working whether you like it or not. I mean it's fairly clear a lot of the time that the people are basically being abused their working conditions are so bad but to them it's worth it just to get the small pay that they do get because it can help them provide for their families. So as far as I'm concerned you might as well just be happy that they do what they do and allow you to live in the world you do (which believe it or not, they helped create). Even if you don't like them for whatever reason you should still at least recognize that they play an important role in the economy and without them the country would be in a worse place financially. Not trying to be a dick here but I really do encourage you to look into it on your own to try and see what it would be like without them so it's not just 'some guy' on rollitup talking shit. I think youll see what im talking about when you see can imagine what things would be like without them cos they wouldnt be better, remember not everyone can afford to hire people for minimum wage however bad that may be so there is really a need for them, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make enough to survive




I don`t buy this for one second. Even if we were still an industrial Country, we still would not gain by short handing or saving. If you have criminal or human rights intent,....you will benefit from illegal immigrants.

Making a buck by doing as little as possible is a recipe for disaster any way you look at it on a National or State level.

When one farm fails,.. another takes over, when one company fails,...another moves in,.... that`s what is trying to be avoided, and why people think on paper that illegals benefit the US.

The only difference between workers is that label,...illegal,.....without them, you would have to work....

That claim is crap.
 

pnwmystery

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I don`t buy this for one second. Even if we were still an industrial Country, we still would not gain by short handing or saving. If you have criminal or human rights intent,....you will benefit from illegal immigrants.

Making a buck by doing as little as possible is a recipe for disaster any way you look at it on a National or State level.

When one farm fails,.. another takes over, when one company fails,...another moves in,.... that`s what is trying to be avoided, and why people think on paper that illegals benefit the US.

The only difference between workers is that label,...illegal,.....without them, you would have to work....

That claim is crap.
No, he's actually correct. I remember when UFW (United Farm Workers) started the campaign, 'Take Our Jobs,' where they offered farm jobs to people at the height of the recession.

"Our nation’s struggling economy has fueled an increasingly ugly debate on immigration policy. Many Americans believe undocumented workers are taking jobs from U.S. citizens and legal residents. There are movements afoot to remove them from the country.

To address the issue, the United Farm Workers initiated the "Take Our Jobs" campaign. We invite citizens and legal residents to apply for jobs on farms across the country.

Since we launched the "Take Our Jobs" more than three million people have visited our web site, www.takeourjobs.org. Of those visitors, 8,600 have expressed an interest in seeking employment as farm workers.

Despite these numbers, only seven people have taken us up on the offer to take a job in agriculture. Today, we are actively trying to help 368 people interested in becoming farm workers. Sadly, we have received an equal number of hate emails.

These numbers demonstrate that there are more politicians and finger-pointers interested in blaming undocumented farm workers for America's unemployment crisis then there are unemployed Americans who are willing to harvest and cultivate America's food.

We remain committed to helping sincere job-seekers. And will do so until every one of them gets the help they deserve and we can provide.

Cesar Chavez is remembered for the expression, "Si Se Puede." But those of us who worked with him remember his commitment to help people "one by one by one." We continue our work in that spirit and in his memory. "
 

OddBall1st

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No, he's actually correct. I remember when UFW (United Farm Workers) started the campaign, 'Take Our Jobs,' where they offered farm jobs to people at the height of the recession.

"Our nation’s struggling economy has fueled an increasingly ugly debate on immigration policy. Many Americans believe undocumented workers are taking jobs from U.S. citizens and legal residents. There are movements afoot to remove them from the country.

To address the issue, the United Farm Workers initiated the "Take Our Jobs" campaign. We invite citizens and legal residents to apply for jobs on farms across the country.

Since we launched the "Take Our Jobs" more than three million people have visited our web site, www.takeourjobs.org. Of those visitors, 8,600 have expressed an interest in seeking employment as farm workers.

Despite these numbers, only seven people have taken us up on the offer to take a job in agriculture. Today, we are actively trying to help 368 people interested in becoming farm workers. Sadly, we have received an equal number of hate emails.

These numbers demonstrate that there are more politicians and finger-pointers interested in blaming undocumented farm workers for America's unemployment crisis then there are unemployed Americans who are willing to harvest and cultivate America's food.

We remain committed to helping sincere job-seekers. And will do so until every one of them gets the help they deserve and we can provide.

Cesar Chavez is remembered for the expression, "Si Se Puede." But those of us who worked with him remember his commitment to help people "one by one by one." We continue our work in that spirit and in his memory. "


Then .." take our jobs", was the wrong approach. it sends a false message. The point is, to prevent failure,.. they hire illegals because they got no-one to complain to, they will work to eat or for peanuts on the dollar,.. tax free too. I doubt they are fileing their 1090`s or is it 1099 ?? Whatever it is I stand by .. if you don`t do, you don`t get,...if you don`t get you fail,...if you fail, you get back up.

You don`t flood the Country with unidentifiable people so you can save face and keep from failure. You fail, get up or just move on. That includes the Country as a whole, so you don`t end up with half a population you can`t identify.

Before I went on my own, I made sure I could and with a back-up plan. I`m still on my own and not failing even when work gets slow,..I get by, and still work on cars on the side.

Democrats have gifted to no end and created a population that would rather have kids and free stuff for them,....I live in the city and can`t count how many are all set with one kid and have 18 years to play with before having another.

Not all of this Country is like that,...but it is interesting that the majority of them are foreign language speaking as their first language. Buck will call me a bigot or something for that but I stand by it because I see it daily.

A population with half of them unidentifiable, is doomed and we are nearing that threshold.

Mass illegal immigration will ruin you,...fast. But you enjoy that potato and don`t forget to put confectionary on that strawberry.
 

pnwmystery

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Watch her dance around the question, "Did anybody contact you from the Trump campaign?" Brooke Baldwin asked three times for her to say "No, nobody." The Trump campaign is also declining to make any comments about this, and Witcher has been declining any further comments. She also doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb.
 

OddBall1st

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Watch her dance around the question, "Did anybody contact you from the Trump campaign?" Brooke Baldwin asked three times for her to say "No, nobody." The Trump campaign is also declining to make any comments about this, and Witcher has been declining any further comments. She also doesn't seem to be the brightest bulb.



Leave it to the media to push , push, and push, because someone did not say what she needed to be said. Did you see her face when the women said Donald was a beautiful person, but left her out of it ?

That Media chick is bought and paid for, cannot act on her own,...Like our Military, she has to ask first or not be heard.
 

pnwmystery

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Leave it to the media to push , push, and push, because someone did not say what she needed to be said. Did you see her face when the women said Donald was a beautiful person, but left her out of it ?

That Media chick is bought and paid for, cannot act on her own,...Like our Military, she has to ask first or not be heard.
Is it just me or does that Witcher look really stoned? Also some of the faces that Brooke Baldwin pulls are hilarious to me.
 

UncleBuck

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Can anyone find scholarly information and cite the source on these following topics. Illegal immigrants and the cost of health care. How many illegal immigrants are incarcerated and the cost to the taxpayer. Illegal immigrants and crime statistics.
the most through study ever done was performed by the comptroller of the state of texas in 2006.

prepare your anus, racist.

Texas Comptroller Carole Keeton Strayhorn found that illegal immigrants not only contributed more than $17 billion to the state's economy in the last fiscal year, but that they also pay more than enough in taxes and fees to cover the services they receive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/15/AR2006121501394.html?referrer=emailarticle
 

OddBall1st

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Freebee bush,... positives

Work for it Trump...negatives

I think it says more about them than Trump...........
 

pnwmystery

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Remember, the Mexicans and other Latin Americans all claim to be running away from thieves, murders, drug cartels and kidnappers,...and all Donald said was they were thieves, murderers, drug cartels and kidnappers.

So who is right ? Them or Donald ?
And this isn't racist at all /sarcasm.
 
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