dozens of good guys with guns fail to stop single bad guy with gun

Flowki

Flowki

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bluntmassa1 said:
Guns are to protect against tyranny I'd like to see the UK overthrow their government.

Guns are illegal in Brazil but plenty gun crime. We will never follow the British.
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They would never need to overthrow the government, is the core difference. Brazil has huge stability issues in many areas, that often leads to higher rates of EVERY crime. Ireland for example during the most dark years, naturally had an increase in gun crime and explosives.

Yes, you are taught well to hate the British from a young age, you are conditioned to always hold that grudge, never be second best again because after all, America is the greatest country on earth.

You can learn from England because you are, to your despise an extension of it, a far older and wiser culture that has already avoided/evolved from most of the mistakes you have or will make. That is until Amerca became hell bent on making it's own identity to the almost opposite of England from what can only be considered ego of the elite. That has passed down to a civilian level, leading back to your statement. Meanwhile England still make mistakes, such as following you into an illegal war. Nobody is perfect.

“Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.”
 
Chunky Stool

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Fogdog said:
I thought you were joking about sending in a Mike Tyson robot.

So let's see here. At the time they thought there were four people in a plot. The police could not rule out more. The guy was holed up in a car garage. He was still shooting at them and told them he wanted to kill more white people but mostly white cops.

They were not going to give that guy any chance to get away. And he had proven to be proficient with his weapons.

Ok, so I'm not second guessing but willing to put up alternatives.

Maybe sending in the dogs would have been a better choice.
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You must hate dogs! A pack of them wouldn't have gotten close. The guy can shoot. His weapon & ammunition had no problem dealing with body armor.
 
Fogdog

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Chunky Stool said:
You must hate dogs! A pack of them wouldn't have gotten close. The guy can shoot. His weapon & ammunition had no problem dealing with body armor.
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I'm not endorsing this idea, just going with the idea that there might have been an alternative to the C4 carrying robot.

If this guy's life has value and was imperative to preserve it, how best to do that? A police officer's life has higher value than a dog's. Send three or four dogs with a smoke screen to cover? Its an alternative that would most likely have ended with a live shooter, satisfyingly worse for the wear. I like dogs a lot but not more than people.
 
Chunky Stool

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Fogdog said:
I'm not endorsing this idea, just going with the idea that there might have been an alternative to the C4 carrying robot.

If this guy's life has value and was imperative to preserve it, how best to do that? A police officer's life has higher value than a dog's. Send three or four dogs with a smoke screen to cover? Its an alternative that would most likely have ended with a live shooter, satisfyingly worse for the wear. I like dogs a lot but not more than people.
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No shit?
I like dogs WAY more than most of the humans I've encountered in my 50 years.
 
Fogdog

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Chunky Stool said:
No shit?
I like dogs WAY more than most of the humans I've encountered in my 50 years.
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Dogs are well loved in the 1st world because children are too expensive to raise. Three children at most is the norm. So we have dogs to keep the house full and fun. I have a great dog and enjoy her company but I wouldn't sacrifice my life, my children or my wife's life for it.

If it were a suicide mission for at least one attacker, I'd send dogs instead of people.
 
Chunky Stool

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Fogdog said:
Dogs are well loved in the 1st world because children are too expensive to raise. Three children at most is the norm. So we have dogs to keep the house full and fun. I have a great dog and enjoy her company but I wouldn't sacrifice my life, my children or my wife's life for it.

If it were a suicide mission for at least one attacker, I'd send dogs instead of people.
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Sending a dog first worked when they killed that terrorist in France, but the dog wasn't alone. Police followed, and liquefied the bad guy (literally) while he was shooting at the dog. Sadly, the dog was killed.
 
bluntmassa1

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testiclees said:
Guns were to protect against tyranny. Today that is a preposterous argument. Any rich asshole could marshall a merc army and quell "armed patriots" . If the gov got crazy being armed would be a laughable joke. The populace would fold with the quickness once the reality of institutionalized killing set in.
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We have more military trained men on the streets than the military we can most definitely take on the government. I don't care if they build skynet we will fight and die until every last government robot is dead. Lol

Just look around we could not beat the Vietcong we could not beat the Taliban. The government should fear the people not the other way around.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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bluntmassa1 said:
We have more military trained men on the streets than the military we can most definitely take on the government. I don't care if they build skynet we will fight and die until every last government robot is dead. Lol

Just look around we could not beat the Vietcong we could not beat the Taliban. The government should fear the people not the other way around.
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Most of the Vietcong were killed during Tet, but that's a side note. (All fighting after Tet was the NVA.)
When did your problem with authority start? Not trying to be a dick, just curious. I don't like authority either, but fantasizing about civil war is not good.
I understand why you are pissed about unjustified police shooting. I'm pissed too! We can create change without resorting to violence. As I stated earlier, MLK caused real change in an environment that was MUCH more hostile.
 
bluntmassa1

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Chunky Stool said:
Most of the Vietcong were killed during Tet, but that's a side note. (All fighting after Tet was the NVA.)
When did your problem with authority start? Not trying to be a dick, just curious. I don't like authority either, but fantasizing about civil war is not good.
I understand why you are pissed about unjustified police shooting. I'm pissed too! We can create change without resorting to violence. As I stated earlier, MLK caused real change in an environment that was MUCH more hostile.
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Since when are you happy being a slave? I never got a vote for my taxes used in war or to arm police.
 
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spandy

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Fogdog said:
I thought you were joking about sending in a Mike Tyson robot.

So let's see here. At the time they thought there were four people in a plot. The police could not rule out more. The guy was holed up in a car garage. He was still shooting at them and told them he wanted to kill more white people but mostly white cops.

They were not going to give that guy any chance to get away. And he had proven to be proficient with his weapons.

Ok, so I'm not second guessing but willing to put up alternatives.

Maybe sending in the dogs would have been a better choice.
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They had him surrounded, where was he going to go? He wasn't getting away, he was holed up in a fucking garage surrounded by cops remember? Infact, he was so cornered that they were able to just drive a fucking little remote control device right up to him and blow his ass up.

If they thought more people were involved, why the fuck did they blow up the one person they had cornered? Now we will never know for sure, cause they blowed him into pieces.

He couldn't of been carrying but a few hundred rounds tops, shit is heavy. He wasn't going to hang out in the garage for long, especially if that robot had dropped off some tear gas, concussive grenades, aids virus, etc.

Send nothing in, just wait for him to come out. He might have rushed out guns blazing, but sniper fire would of rained in on him.

Blowing people up is just not okay, period. This isn't a war zone...yet. Its not at all that he's dead, its how he is dead. Fuck him and his couch, but they still did it wrong.


Fogdog said:
Your viewpoint. I guess you saw the Finnican death by cop Malheur Wildlife shooting as an execution too.
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Should of just arrested all of them peacefully and cleared that place out. That was a clown show played out by all parties involved.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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spandy said:
They had him surrounded, where was he going to go? He wasn't getting away, he was holed up in a fucking garage surrounded by cops remember? Infact, he was so cornered that they were able to just drive a fucking little remote control device right up to him and blow his ass up.

If they thought more people were involved, why the fuck did they blow up the one person they had cornered? Now we will never know for sure, cause they blowed him into pieces.

He couldn't of been carrying but a few hundred rounds tops, shit is heavy. He wasn't going to hang out in the garage for long, especially if that robot had dropped off some tear gas, concussive grenades, aids virus, etc.

Send nothing in, just wait for him to come out. He might have rushed out guns blazing, but sniper fire would of rained in on him.

Blowing people up is just not okay, period. This isn't a war zone...yet. Its not at all that he's dead, its how he is dead. Fuck him and his couch, but they still did it wrong.






Should of just arrested all of them peacefully and cleared that place out. That was a clown show played out by all parties involved.
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They didn't blow him into pieces. Pay attention man! He didn't die instantly, and I hope that piece of shit suffered.
Second, you are wrong about how much ammo can be easily carried. I used to carry 10 clips of 7.62x39 to shoot at jackrabbits, no problem. That's 300 rounds. AR15 ammo (5.56mm) weighs 2/3 less than 7.62x39. Carrying 1,000 rounds with web gear would be EZ-PZ.
 
Fogdog

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spandy said:
They had him surrounded, where was he going to go? He wasn't getting away, he was holed up in a fucking garage surrounded by cops remember? Infact, he was so cornered that they were able to just drive a fucking little remote control device right up to him and blow his ass up.

If they thought more people were involved, why the fuck did they blow up the one person they had cornered? Now we will never know for sure, cause they blowed him into pieces.

He couldn't of been carrying but a few hundred rounds tops, shit is heavy. He wasn't going to hang out in the garage for long, especially if that robot had dropped off some tear gas, concussive grenades, aids virus, etc.

Send nothing in, just wait for him to come out. He might have rushed out guns blazing, but sniper fire would of rained in on him.

Blowing people up is just not okay, period. This isn't a war zone...yet. Its not at all that he's dead, its how he is dead. Fuck him and his couch, but they still did it wrong.






Should of just arrested all of them peacefully and cleared that place out. That was a clown show played out by all parties involved.
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I'm fine with playing the thought games of how to do it better.

It's quite possible they killed the shooter for revenge, which I will agree is the wrong motive.

Your disconnect with reality is revealed by the Finnicum statement. The fucker kept putting his hand to his coat where everybody knew he kept his gun. He was saying throughout "just shoot me". He was an old man and never meant to go to jail. It was suicide by cop. But this is one conclusion anti-government right wing nutjobs can't accept.
 
Fogdog

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Chunky Stool said:
Sending a dog first worked when they killed that terrorist in France, but the dog wasn't alone. Police followed, and liquefied the bad guy (literally) while he was shooting at the dog. Sadly, the dog was killed.
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I'd like this post but won't for obvious reasons.
 
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spandy

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Chunky Stool said:
They didn't blow him into pieces. Pay attention man! He didn't die instantly, and I hope that piece of shit suffered.
Second, you are wrong about how much ammo can be easily carried. I used to carry 10 clips of 7.62x39 to shoot at jackrabbits, no problem. That's 300 rounds. AR15 ammo (5.56mm) weighs 2/3 less than 7.62x39. Carrying 1,000 rounds with web gear would be EZ-PZ.
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Thats 30 pounds of just ammo weight. If he was expecting that type of shoot out, he fucked up bad and died carrying a lot of useless weight.

WTF is a clip? Like what girls put in their hair? Or did you mean magazine...

7.62 at jack rabbits? Holy shit, what were they, 500 yards away?
 
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