Drug test for welfare

Gastanker said:

Apparently it doesn't support your lifestyle... You earn two years worth of income in 9 months and need to rely on handouts? And you've been doing this for 10 years? And haven't saved a dime? I hate to pick on you but this is bad practice. It's an abuse of the system. Do you look for work during your 3 month break? Perhaps consider a different profession?

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You're twisting my words. I said I work harder in 9 months. I never said I make 2 years of income in 9 months. I make roughly 24k in those 9 months. Of course I saved. The money I did save was used to buy a house. I have dependents to think of, not just myself too. No, I do not look for work for 3 months because no one is going to hire somebody and waste time and money on training when they'll be leaving in 3 months. Tried it. One of the questions on the application is "Do you have a definite date of recall?" I'm less of a burden than most recipients, the gov't knows I'll be off it soon enough. Consider a different profession? Not so easy. I have 10 other people that rely on me coming back and doing my job. Most have the same last name as me. As other people said my family is paying the taxes. My situation in life is different than yours, different than the next guys. This isn't the land of lollipops and gumdrops that you make it out to be. I don't know. I think it's pretty ignorant and selfish to cast blame on me, not knowing anything about me or the good honest life I lead. I think it comes down to helping people. You don't like to.

Some1 mention government jobs??? Now theres a hand out, Caltrans, theres a hand out, work for pg&e? theres a hand out.
Work in a State Prison theres a hand out don't believe me? you've never served time.
SSI a hand out? You haven't worked your whole life and had everything stole from you and watched your government bail the crooks out.
And then sit here and read the bull shit being spread here by a bunch of 19 year olds and others that haven't worked more than 1/2 doz. years.
How about these kids that go to collage party and come out stupider than when they started?? Thats Okay as long as the collage gets their money,
better than flunking them out and sending them to BurgerKing...

dirtsurfr said:

How would you like it i they tested you before you got any of your countries social programs??

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i would quit dope

my buddies been collecting unemployment for 2 years smokes 3 packs a day and guzzles vodka and drives around all day, my other buddy works for cash and his wife strips at a high class joint, They got a food card with 600 every month, I go there and we gobble filets and crab legs. I know a few more people that act retarded so they can collect SSI and they live in section 8 and grow bud and make a killing. The abuse of the programs are out of control, I believe less than 50% use it wisely/properly

purklize said:

There are only enough full time jobs for around 50% of Americans...

There is something called an unemployment rate... it means that there are fewer jobs than there are job seekers... so there is a substantial percentage of people out there without work, living in poverty, who do not shoulder the blame...

Sure, plumbers can make reasonable money. But can we have a nation of specialists? No. They only represent a small percentage of job openings in the country. The fundamental tendency of capitalism is to reduce more and more jobs to unskilled labor, as it increases competition among workers, driving down wages and pushing up profits.

Yeah, you might be able to live comfortably on 25-45k. But try doing that in an expensive area, with a stay at home mom raising two kids, while saving money for their college tuition, setting money aside for retirement, taking the occasional family vacation, maintaining one or two cars and paying for all the gas (can easily hit 1000/mo for two cars), paying a mortgage, property taxes, etc...

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A family with two cars (driving them >3000 miles a month seems a bit over the top but if so say so), that owns a home, takes vacations, is setting aside money for retirement while also saving for college tuition is doing pretty well imo - and yes, that's easily obtainable making $40k/year - hell they can even have cable TV, cell phones, and eat out of the house every now and then. This is the typical American... You can even sit at home smoking pot for 3 months of the year earning 30k and still afford this - ask Neo.

Now you're saying all jobs are specialty jobs? Really? Lets list jobs than can earn more than 40k/year: General assistant, janitor, plumber, fire fighter, police officer, welder, sales person, business owner, waiter (yes I know several waiters that make more than 40k/year), bar tender, pot grower, manager (of pretty much anything), receptionist, construction worker, taxi driver, deliver man, painter, garbage man, postal man, most any government job, teacher, publicist, nanny, house cleaner, dog walker, day care attendant, ...

If you're working entry level at walmart, target, Mcdonalds, taco bell... then you're right, you won't be making a ton of money. I wouldn't recommend these lower lower tier entry level positions if you want to support a house and a family. To say the majority of jobs out there are minimum wage jobs is a bit silly.

how about the people on walfare must work cleaning the sides of the highway? anything but sitting on there asses getting fat. I know people that got so lazy and fat the government gives em disability cause there to fat to work.

neosapien said:

You're twisting my words. I said I work harder in 9 months. I never said I make 2 years of income in 9 months. I make roughly 24k in those 9 months. Of course I saved. The money I did save was used to buy a house. I have dependents to think of, not just myself too. No, I do not look for work for 3 months because no one is going to hire somebody and waste time and money on training when they'll be leaving in 3 months. Tried it. One of the questions on the application is "Do you have a definite date of recall?" I'm less of a burden than most recipients, the gov't knows I'll be off it soon enough. Consider a different profession? Not so easy. I have 10 other people that rely on me coming back and doing my job. Most have the same last name as me. As other people said my family is paying the taxes. My situation in life is different than yours, different than the next guys. This isn't the land of lollipops and gumdrops that you make it out to be. I don't know. I think it's pretty ignorant and selfish to cast blame on me, not knowing anything about me or the good honest life I lead. I think it comes down to helping people. You don't like to.

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You are the problem with the system. You illegally take advantage of it as you have just admitted. Why aren't you to blame?

Why not find a job where you can work half as hard and earn considerably more? They are out there all over... If your entire family is broke working in the family pool business then perhaps you should all look for new work. Seriously, out of concern, what are you going to do when you grow old? If SS isn't there to bail you out and you have no savings nor plan on changing your financial situation? Are you just going to run out of money?

"My family is paying the taxes." lol yeah... amazing thought process there. "So there's this guy named Bill Gates who pays lots of taxes so I don't have to work right?" Sitting on your ass spending our money while you claim to look for work is not honest.

You're claiming to work over 100 hours a week for less than $4.60/hour... Your family is taking advantage of you. Get a new job.

kentuckyboy said:

I think that's invasion of privacy drug testing people for any reason. I can't say that I condone people selling their food stamps to buy drugs with or some other crazy shit. Welfare itself is quite a bit different than food stamps. I still don't think drug testing people is right. The people who want shit like this will end up having big brother telling us everything that we can and can't do. And you really think that they will let us smoke our weed...keep dreaming! I feel like my rights are being taken away every single day little by little. You are being watched all the time and every thing you do is being criticized by someone else. Please just let me fucking be. Stay out of my business!

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when i crash a semi truck into a school bus im gonna say to my employer, no sir, no drug test thats invasion of my privacy...lol

did u hear about the dumb bitch in MI that won a million in the lotto and still collected food stamps. Here excuse was they took 350k in taxes so shes good. they finally caught up to her and cracked her hard, jail time I think

btw everyone will pass the test unless its on the spot random or like a p.o. officer looking at ur dong when ur pissing. Its too easy to bring in clean piss, maybe why only 100 failed in fl

I'm just thinking I better start totally my car once a year. I pay into my insurance so I'm entitled to a new car once a year right? I hear that's how insurance works.

cary schellie said:

btw everyone will pass the test unless its on the spot random or like a p.o. officer looking at ur dong when ur pissing. Its too easy to bring in clean piss, maybe why only 100 failed in fl

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This is what I think is so funny. People object as if they would have no way to legitimately collect benefits if the gov tested. All you would have to do is abstain for a few weeks... Are you that hard off that you can't abstain from drugs for a few weeks? And I'm supposed to believe that you have the ability and drive to look for, obtain, and then maintain a job? Hell, at least 1/3 of employers drug test...

my buddy said hes addicted to weed, he said he couldnt quit for even 4 hours

Some people have a real problem with it. There are free programs that can help but what's the incentive when the gov will pay you to sit at home smoking...

Piss test unfairly target marijuana..which is without a doubt a harmless plant..while coke and other drugs are out of your system in 48 hours..lets do a hair test on these government fucks and I bet half come back positive for blow or opiates.

Corso312 said:

Piss test unfairly target marijuana..which is without a doubt a harmless plant..while coke and other drugs are out of your system in 48 hours..lets do a hair test on these government fucks and I bet half come back positive for blow or opiates.

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I dont think people in government would like that.

Corso312 said:

Piss test unfairly target marijuana..which is without a doubt a harmless plant..while coke and other drugs are out of your system in 48 hours..lets do a hair test on these government fucks and I bet half come back positive for blow or opiates.

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Wow. Me and corso actually agree on something.

And when I say government fucks I mean senators and congressman and other useless politicians.

Corso312 said:

And when I say government fucks I mean senators and congressman and other useless politicians.

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When I say government I mean that tumor that keeps growing, but America is too scared to remove it.

Gastanker said:

You are the problem with the system. You illegally take advantage of it as you have just admitted. Why aren't you to blame?

Why not find a job where you can work half as hard and earn considerably more? They are out there all over... If your entire family is broke working in the family pool business then perhaps you should all look for new work. Seriously, out of concern, what are you going to do when you grow old? If SS isn't there to bail you out and you have no savings nor plan on changing your financial situation? Are you just going to run out of money?

"My family is paying the taxes." lol yeah... amazing thought process there. "So there's this guy named Bill Gates who pays lots of taxes so I don't have to work right?" Sitting on your ass spending our money while you claim to look for work is not honest.

You're claiming to work over 100 hours a week for less than $4.60/hour... Your family is taking advantage of you. Get a new job.

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You are a champion of twisting words. And apparently, from looking at your last line, also a champion of just making shit up. Looking at your latest reply I've come to the conclusion you are somewhat delusional. I'm done with what has turned into your personal witch hunt of someone to blame for whatever problems you had/have. Whatever god you pray to and whatever god I pray to will sort us out later. Peace.