Dutch Passion- Blueberry...experiences or opinions?

Darwin Riddle said:

I just think that they would have been happier in 5g pots instead. The 2 bigger plants got very tall during the stretch. I'll tell you though...the plants do smell like blueberry. I've heard so many people say that the strain smells nothing like blueberry...well they must have been doing something wrong.

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some of the bad grows i saw were in various kinds of hydro, BB doesn't seem to like that unless it's just right
add in natural seed variability, grower variability, and what not, you get complaints
i did see some good growers that had fair grows, but didn't see much in the way of the blueberry pheno

My dp blueberry fem is 58 in. Tall and only on 3rd week of flowering. Is this normal for dp blueberry fem? Showing lots of hairs, just really tall. I can't have it get much bigger.. Anyone else had this prob?

BB stretches quite a bit, in flower, but slows down after the 3-4th week.

Just stumbled on this thread and boy am I glad. I am growing 4 from femanized seeds right now and am about 3 weeks behind you. I just painted one of the bottom stems of my favorite one with pollen from the prettiest male white widow I"ve seen. My first attempt at breeding.

I had no idea about the herm issue with these so I feel fortunate to have seen this thread. Good luck man, i'm following.

So far none of the BB plants have hermed on me. Unfortunately, my camera crapped out...so I can't post any pics today. I'll be getting a new cam tho and will post new pics soon. The seeded plant is majorly dank tho and stinks of blueberry. That plant is on week 6 and the other 2 plants are at week 5. One of the younger plants actually has trichs on the stems too...no shit...it's crazy. We got 3-4 weeks to go!

Darwin Riddle said:

I'm still trying to understand how inbreeding is a good thing....especially for 3 gens.

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Inbreeding is good for a few reasons. You eliminate unwanted phenotypes and produce a majority of plants that only carry the trait/traits you wanted. The further you breed down the line the more uniform and stable a line becomes ... F5 is considered an IBL (inbred line) and the further you go from there the better your chances are of getting one certain pheno are greater. Good example is Heath Robinsons Black Rose .. its an F7 now i think and produces mainly dark purple flowers and uniformity.

You can also find new plants and diff types while linebreeding , in Dj Shorts case he based his whole entire line (Blueberry , Flo, F13, Blue Velvet, Grape Krush, Blue Sattalite , Vanaluna, Cocoa Kush etc) from basically Choc Thai , Afghani, Oaxacan Mexi and Highland Thai ..... every strain he offers asides from the new stuff his son is making are all bred from those baseline strains.... yet they are all quite different in structure/taste/smell etc.

It also helps to preserve lines and ensures true breeding properties when used to make hybrids and outcrosses.

Hope that helped ya out

And knowing is half the battle.

then why is it so hard to find a keeper from a 10 pack of dj shorts expensive seeds?

typoerror said:

then why is it so hard to find a keeper from a 10 pack of dj shorts expensive seeds?

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because it contains a good shot of two diff Thai lines , which are unstable ... Blueberry is unlike any other strain known to man , so its a bad example of inbreeding for stability.

typoerror said:

then why is it so hard to find a keeper from a 10 pack of dj shorts expensive seeds?

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i've been following the 'saga' of these genetics for a while
from what i've read, there was a special female that DJ had and lost
seen many posts of growers saying the current DJ short isn't what it used to be
way too pricey for such long odds, which is why i've been watching for good DP BB grows
most i've seen weren't good or special, this one is the exception

growone said:

i've been following the 'saga' of these genetics for a while
from what i've read, there was a special female that DJ had and lost
seen many posts of growers saying the current DJ short isn't what it used to be
way too pricey for such long odds, which is why i've been watching for good DP BB grows
most i've seen weren't good or special, this one is the exception

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Yur close, he had a prize male named B130 that died in 1999 ... so the BB line is not bred slightly diff with another male. Not to say its no good , just not the same as it used to be.

Dizzle Frost said:

Yur close, he had a prize male named B130 that died in 1999 ... so the BB line is not bred slightly diff with another male. Not to say its no good , just not the same as it used to be.

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i've seen both male/female posted one time or another, it's tough to be sure, you read the best info you can find
but the change seems real, i've seen a number of credible growers with mediocre experiences
who knows? maybe some MJ genetics deteriorate faster than we think, a lot of elite strains seem to have gone down hill over time

growone said:

i've seen both male/female posted one time or another, it's tough to be sure, you read the best info you can find
but the change seems real, i've seen a number of credible growers with mediocre experiences
who knows? maybe some MJ genetics deteriorate faster than we think, a lot of elite strains seem to have gone down hill over time

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it was a male ... trust me, if you read female they dont know thier ass from thier elbow
google Dj Short B130

the problem with Djs gear isnt so much the gear itself... it has a pretty high difficulty level and some of the people who grow it dont understand it or bothered to read about it.... so when shit happens they just label it as shitty lol . it does have it quirks tho .. but you can also pull out some pretty tight keepers to.

but if inbreeding was to stabilize and isolate those good genetics, why was he not able to recovery from losing that plant? why are so many other older stains not nearly as good as they used to be after years and years of inbreeding?

typoerror said:

but if inbreeding was to stabilize and isolate those good genetics, why was he not able to recovery from losing that plant? why are so many other older stains not nearly as good as they used to be after years and years of inbreeding?

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he did recover lol, he still sells and breeds, jus not with that male

i dunno which strains your talking about .... inbreeding is only as good as the breeder making selections

if he recovered you wouldn't have said the strain isn't as good as it used to be. that doesn't sound like a recovery. sure he still breeds and sells seeds but as you said its not as good.

Dizzle Frost said:

Inbreeding is good for a few reasons. You eliminate unwanted phenotypes and produce a majority of plants that only carry the trait/traits you wanted. The further you breed down the line the more uniform and stable a line becomes...

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if what you say is true, then why isn't their many great pheno's in every pack? hes only been working on it for 30 years. if the line was truly stabilized, his losing that male shouldn't have made anything any worse. since those genes were isolated it should be easy to find another stellar male, but that's obviously not the case. even if that strain is difficult, working that line for that long should have stabilized it but it only has gotten worse and given us an equally shitty "true blueberry" strain. is it watered down with bad genes because of inbreeding? sounds more like a bad breeder to me...

read some articles about it

uh huh, did that....

read some more

I have a feeling that marijuana breeding is just like any other breeding....you can come across a pheno that is a once in a lifetime, and no matter how hard you try to reproduce it...it's never quite the same.