DWC Root Slime Cure aka How to Breed Beneficial Microbes

Scroga

Scroga

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Stoned Tree said:
Alright, thanks man. I'm actually Canadian and use the metric as well but when you search for help everyone posts in gallons so I'm use to both haha. Also, I will drop the Floralicious Plus..should I also drop the Rapid Start? I don't know if this provides food for bacteria as well? Also, how often should I be cleaning the res? I hear some people go months and some people clean out weekly. My res is about 50L. Oh, one more thing, I keep my light 18" away from the plant..is this ideal?

Thanks for the help!
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I don't know what Rapid start is... Best to just keep it simple... Stick with the plan. .. Kill slime, remove slime, kill slime again lol.. inoculate... continue maintenance with microbe tea forever more. ...
No point in chucking all these ingredients in for the plant when its shut down.. And you may have to throw rez if you don't win first battle. .. It's easy to smash through bottles of nutes if your constantly doing rez changes. .. moral is don't add your expensive stuff in til she's ready... We just want to focus on battling the bad guys out of the root zone... bomb the shit out of Em (sterilization) send in the infantry (microbe tea) conquer occupy govern (RE)..
Only be cleaning rez whilst you have problem... I haven't cleaned any of mine in close to a year...I just change mix maybe a wipe out at the end of the round if it doesn't get turned around straight away.. It's not a sterile environment so I don't see the point. .. So long as my herd is in dominance that's all that matters.... As far as your light goes.. Get it as close as you can without getting burn...Get a fan to move fresh air over the canopy..

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Stoned Tree

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Hey, I'd appreciate it if someone could answer my question today please! :) Kinda urgent.

Both of my air stones that I use for brewing broke unexpectedly. However, when I put in the air hose without anything attached I seem to get A LOT more surface agitation than I did with air stones. It is nosier but the water is moving all over the place and seems to be oxygenated. What I'm asking is do I need to go out and buy air stones now or can I just put in the two hoses pumping air into the 2 gallons of water that I use to make tea?
 
Scroga

Scroga

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You'll be fine. .. Read up on power heads and fluming. .surface agitation is where it's at

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blackforest

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Stoned Tree said:
Hey, I'd appreciate it if someone could answer my question today please! :) Kinda urgent.

Both of my air stones that I use for brewing broke unexpectedly. However, when I put in the air hose without anything attached I seem to get A LOT more surface agitation than I did with air stones. It is nosier but the water is moving all over the place and seems to be oxygenated. What I'm asking is do I need to go out and buy air stones now or can I just put in the two hoses pumping air into the 2 gallons of water that I use to make tea?
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If your goal is to add dissolved oxygen, I would say you need an air stone. If your goal is to disrupt the water surface, maybe not...
 
Scroga

Scroga

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I've grown dwc with just basic water pump in bottom of bucket with no problem except root chop in pump... so long as surface is being turned over its getting oxygen. .

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Scroga

Scroga

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There's an old thread somewhere called dwc with no air stones. .It's got some good links and info/data concerning domestic applications that have found the best way to oxygenate was to have surface tension broken turning over....

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Stoned Tree

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Scroga said:
There's an old thread somewhere called dwc with no air stones. .It's got some good links and info/data concerning domestic applications that have found the best way to oxygenate was to have surface tension broken turning over....

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Yeah from what I've heard water is only oxygenated through surface disruption and not the actual bubbles so I was just wondering. Thanks for the help man once again! By the way your display pic is kickass hahah.
 
Scroga

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Happy to help. . Don't by shy to pm for any thing else

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Dave Wiebe

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In the spirit of what started this thread the Heisenberg Tea, this question is for Heisenberg. First off, thanks for you help, without this thread my plants would be dead. I did not have the means to brew your Tea (hard to get products here, even online), so I did make an improvisation which worked out great for me. Adding bacteria to my res has changed everything.

Currently primarily working with DWC, maxigrow and maxibloom, adding sub B and now just starting hydroguard to my res. I have LOTS of air going in 4" air stone for a 1 gallon res. Growing garden veg in a bunch of mini setups. I've got a thing for strawberries.

The question is this, if I did a res change, added nutes, PH'd, add sub B and hydroguard so it's dominant with good bacteria, could I not feed them a tiny dose of dextrose daily to keep them alive and multiplying in my res reducing water changes?
 

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blackstang

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Dave Wiebe said:
In the spirit of what started this thread the Heisenberg Tea, this question is for Heisenberg. First off, thanks for you help, without this thread my plants would be dead. I did not have the means to brew your Tea (hard to get products here, even online), so I did make an improvisation which worked out great for me. Adding bacteria to my res has changed everything.

Currently primarily working with DWC, maxigrow and maxibloom, adding sub B and now just starting hydroguard to my res. I have LOTS of air going in 4" air stone for a 1 gallon res. Growing garden veg in a bunch of mini setups. I've got a thing for strawberries.

The question is this, if I did a res change, added nutes, PH'd, add sub B and hydroguard so it's dominant with good bacteria, could I not feed them a tiny dose of dextrose daily to keep them alive and multiplying in my res reducing water changes?
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I see you have no answer as of yet...(and Im no Heisenburg) but I just found this thread and am on page 76 so far and decided to come to the end and check out the post dates...(just waiting for my first batch to be done)...anyway so far from everything Ive read up to page 76. ....Heisenburg has stated over and over that adding sugar or molasses directly to your res (that your plants roots are submerged in) is a big no no ...and if i remember correctly isnt dextrose a form of sugar?.....I would recommend anyone who is battling the slime to read this whole thread from page one....after 2 days I find that I can answer most tea questions because the answers and instructions are repeated over and over again...(and I am only on page 76)...thanks Heisenburg
 
Stoned Tree

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Dave Wiebe said:
In the spirit of what started this thread the Heisenberg Tea, this question is for Heisenberg. First off, thanks for you help, without this thread my plants would be dead. I did not have the means to brew your Tea (hard to get products here, even online), so I did make an improvisation which worked out great for me. Adding bacteria to my res has changed everything.

Currently primarily working with DWC, maxigrow and maxibloom, adding sub B and now just starting hydroguard to my res. I have LOTS of air going in 4" air stone for a 1 gallon res. Growing garden veg in a bunch of mini setups. I've got a thing for strawberries.

The question is this, if I did a res change, added nutes, PH'd, add sub B and hydroguard so it's dominant with good bacteria, could I not feed them a tiny dose of dextrose daily to keep them alive and multiplying in my res reducing water changes?
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Hi, I would not recommend adding any type of food to the res. I wanted to do this (as you can see from my posts a little bit back.) I tried it too with a product called Plantacillin that has bacteria and food together..added a little bit and got slimed so badly that I spent 5-6 hours cleaning everything out and dunking my roots in peroxide to clean them off. Started using the tea again and everything is going good, a lot of new roots exploding.

It's nice to see other veggie gardeners btw! :) I love strawberries.......Anyway, Scroga told me and I have noticed myself that with bennies you do not have to change res as often as they keep everything clean and nice. You should only change when you notice a problem such as weird ph fluctuations. If the plant is happy let it be happy. The bennies actually colonize and live on the roots of your plant so I guess you could get a little lazy if you are not noticing any problems and just add in your favorite bacteria product once in a while. Keep in mind though that this will be more expensive than just using it to brew a tea. For ultimate disease control there is nothing better than brewing it all up with EWC and then adding that into your res when all the sugar is depleted.bongsmilie
 
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JohnAdams2014

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I have two 10 place systems with 13g buckets in DWC. I use all AN. I use Voodoo Juice 1/2 strength, Piranha 1/4 strength and Orca liquid approx. 30ml for 100g. That should be enough beneficial bacteria and has all the B and G bacteria you recommend in your tea. Temp, pH and ppm's controlled. I use bleach 15ml per gallon between crops then go through with H2O2 after that, then flush with RO before refilling and starting over. How would your tea be different than AN bacteria. Why am I still getting brown roots on some plants and not others, one system not so bad, the other terrible.
 
Stoned Tree

Stoned Tree

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JohnAdams2014 said:
I have two 10 place systems with 13g buckets in DWC. I use all AN. I use Voodoo Juice 1/2 strength, Piranha 1/4 strength and Orca liquid approx. 30ml for 100g. That should be enough beneficial bacteria and has all the B and G bacteria you recommend in your tea. Temp, pH and ppm's controlled. I use bleach 15ml per gallon between crops then go through with H2O2 after that, then flush with RO before refilling and starting over. How would your tea be different than AN bacteria. Why am I still getting brown roots on some plants and not others, one system not so bad, the other terrible.
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I'm not an expert but from what I've read AN products are notorious for sliming up. Also the tea is a lot more diverse and powerful due to the EWC that you are supposed to use in it. You can also add other products along with the EWC to give it a boost but the EWC are the main ingredient you want. The bacteria are also multiplied in a proper brew to exponential rates, rates you could never get by just adding the product alone. This is what serves as the army that fights disease. :) Also, I've heard the Orca is a great product so keep using that!
 
Scroga

Scroga

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Stoned Tree said:
Hi, I would not recommend adding any type of food to the res. I wanted to do this (as you can see from my posts a little bit back.) I tried it too with a product called Plantacillin that has bacteria and food together..added a little bit and got slimed so badly that I spent 5-6 hours cleaning everything out and dunking my roots in peroxide to clean them off. Started using the tea again and everything is going good, a lot of new roots exploding.

It's nice to see other veggie gardeners btw! :) I love strawberries.......Anyway, Scroga told me and I have noticed myself that with bennies you do not have to change res as often as they keep everything clean and nice. You should only change when you notice a problem such as weird ph fluctuations. If the plant is happy let it be happy. The bennies actually colonize and live on the roots of your plant so I guess you could get a little lazy if you are not noticing any problems and just add in your favorite bacteria product once in a while. Keep in mind though that this will be more expensive than just using it to brew a tea. For ultimate disease control there is nothing better than brewing it all up with EWC and then adding that into your res when all the sugar is depleted.bongsmilie
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I didn't say you don't have to change as often I said you don't have to scrub and clean as often Once you are winning and have a good micro herd in place. . You should but I don't. .I run a perpetual... Of course you must change res regularly or your pants will get deficient. .I was talking about battling and killing slime not normal plant upkeep. .. my ph usually needs adjusting most nights...I'm not sure that I said any thing about wild fluctuations other than a strong rising ph everyday is a fairly good indicator of pythium

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Scroga said:
I didn't say you don't have to change as often I said you don't have to scrub and clean as often Once you are winning and have a good micro herd in place. . You should but I don't. .I run a perpetual... Of course you must change res regularly or your pants will get deficient. .I was talking about battling and killing slime not normal plant upkeep. .. my ph usually needs adjusting most nights...I'm not sure that I said any thing about wild fluctuations other than a strong rising ph everyday is a fairly good indicator of pythium

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Oh ok, sorry dude. Listen to Scroga he knows what he's talking about. And I also know you have to adjust ph but once it starts doing weird things like dropping too fast or going up too fast I'm sure that means there's a problem and is probably a good time to change out the res. Also I've heard of people doing grows without changing out the res at all and their plants seem to do just fine. I've heard however that this can cause a buildup or lockout of certain elements but I don't know if this is true since people seem to do just fine without changing out the res? Any input?

Also, my ph is currently stable at 6.0 and has been for almost a week now. Ppm is slowly dropping. Is this a bad sign?
 
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blackstang

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I ordered my ZHO on Nov. 28 th ....Well I made my tea in anticipation of a promised delivery date of ZHO on Fri Dec 5 and here it is Saturday Dec6 (one day after promised delivery.)...and I have yet to receive my product... I ordered it from Amazon from a company called HIDGrow out of San Jose Ca. Supposedly open till 6 every day except Sunday....I called the physical address(brick and mortar store) and sent emails (during business hours) and still no reply....Man...Its hard to believe I can get a LED light from Mainland China in 4 days, but cant get 1 ounce of nutes shipped from Ca. to Fl. in 8 days....No wonder the Chinese overtook us as the worlds largest economy last week,for the first time since Garfield was president.............side note...anyone know what Heisenburg is using as a substitute for mycogrow hydro at the end of his brew?...they seem to have discontinued this product
 
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Scroga

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Ppm is amount of nutrient in solution right? So if it's depleting that means something is using it right? Sound like your winning mate

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blackstang

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Heisenberg said:
I get a similar problem when I use cubes (plugs) to clone. It's as if the 'air roots' turn brownish a day or so after going into the water, while new white roots shoot out in the meantime. I have found using lava rocks for housing really helps. (brew them in the tea) I have also started using rhizotonic in my tea and see a real boost from it. (10ml per gallon).

So try to do a shallow water cloner one of these times when you have extras. This will avoid ever making air roots. Also, I and several others have found that making less than two gallons of tea at a time reduces it's effectiveness. There just isn't enough room in one gallon for everything to happen properly.
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Heisenberg, This is so far back into the post I hope you see it....Everything up to this page has been pretty self explanatory....but now I have to ask....Are you adding Rhizotonic to your "clone tea" only, or is this part of a new recipe that applies to all tea brewed to fight slime? and either way do you add it in the beginning or at the end?...sorry one more thing...when you speak of mycos that is not the same as mycogrow soluble is it?...thank you for your time ...Blackstang
 
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altainta

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@Heisenberg


What's you take on 'recharge' product by realgrowers

http://www.realgrowers.com/product/recharge/

http://dudegrows.com/captain-uses-recharge/


Advantage :
It doesn't need brewing
Maintaining temp
Aerarating
It doesn't need complicated stuff like buying different products.
Straight out of the box usage.
No need for food for bennies
it contain trichoderma (which fights slime if i am not wrong) and Mycorrhizae fungi and millions of other fungi

I really need a serious thought about it because it cut the cost, effort and time well more than half. And i guess it last long and quick application.

If suppose some one use this product as described in the link (guide) is there something wrong with the method.. Do you thing something should be added subtracted etc.. Whats your take on it ? how will you use the product ?

PS : Also want to say i never did made the tea but because of collecting information on it i stumbled here and wanted to share with everybody in need.
 
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Dave Wiebe

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altainta said:
@Heisenberg


What's you take on 'recharge' product by realgrowers

http://www.realgrowers.com/product/recharge/

http://dudegrows.com/captain-uses-recharge/


Advantage :
It doesn't need brewing
Maintaining temp
Aerarating
It doesn't need complicated stuff like buying different products.
Straight out of the box usage.
No need for food for bennies
it contain trichoderma (which fights slime if i am not wrong) and Mycorrhizae fungi and millions of other fungi

I really need a serious thought about it because it cut the cost, effort and time well more than half. And i guess it last long and quick application.

If suppose some one use this product as described in the link (guide) is there something wrong with the method.. Do you thing something should be added subtracted etc.. Whats your take on it ? how will you use the product ?

PS : Also want to say i never did made the tea but because of collecting information on it i stumbled here and wanted to share with everybody in need.
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I was just checking out the product, interesting to see if it will be okay in DWC because of adding the molasses to the res. Even if I just needed this to brew a tea I'd make a trip south to get some. Nothing's available in Canada.
 
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