DWC Root Slime Cure aka How to Breed Beneficial Microbes

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blackstang

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Dave Wiebe said:
I was just checking out the product, interesting to see if it will be okay in DWC because of adding the molasses to the res. Even if I just needed this to brew a tea I'd make a trip south to get some. Nothing's available in Canada.
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The way I understand it, Heisenberg has stated that adding molasses to the res will feed the slime, I dont know if that helps you or if it pertains to the product you are referring .....but it stands to reason that no matter what beneficial you put in the res, you cant stop the slime from feeding off the molasses....someone smarter than me might want to chime in as far as adding it to your res as a preventative..IE adding molasses to a non-infected (no slime) res so as to feed the beneficials,( in your case recharge) as a regimen of prevention......
 
Stoned Tree

Stoned Tree

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altainta said:
@Heisenberg


What's you take on 'recharge' product by realgrowers

http://www.realgrowers.com/product/recharge/

http://dudegrows.com/captain-uses-recharge/


Advantage :
It doesn't need brewing
Maintaining temp
Aerarating
It doesn't need complicated stuff like buying different products.
Straight out of the box usage.
No need for food for bennies
it contain trichoderma (which fights slime if i am not wrong) and Mycorrhizae fungi and millions of other fungi

I really need a serious thought about it because it cut the cost, effort and time well more than half. And i guess it last long and quick application.

If suppose some one use this product as described in the link (guide) is there something wrong with the method.. Do you thing something should be added subtracted etc.. Whats your take on it ? how will you use the product ?

PS : Also want to say i never did made the tea but because of collecting information on it i stumbled here and wanted to share with everybody in need.
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Hi,

I suppose you could try this if you have no problems in your res like slime or anything like that and just want to improve your roots. However, if you do have slime or pythium or any other problem I would not add this directly to your res. I searched it up and it contains molasses and kelp along with other food sources and this will cause the bad stuff to feed off of it and you will get brown mushy roots. :( I think it is a good product and if you were to use it I would brew it in a tea first so that the food sources get used up before being added to the res. :)
 
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Dave Wiebe

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I tried ordering Hydroguard a while back on amazon, no luck wouldn't ship to Canada. Well low and behold, I guess after some months of my pending order that they wouldn't fill I guess they found a botanicare supplier here somewhere or someone willing to ship it and I got a bottle on my doorstep a couple days ago. The only downside is the courier left it outside, the bottle was frozen solid. I wonder if everything inside is dead?

The plus side of this also was after checking I see that ZHO is now available to ship to my location as well so I've got that on order, excited to get cooking Tea with all the ingredients. I see that my Mycho Heisenberg is using looks like that might ship here as well but I have to contact the company.

My first batch of tea is complete, EWC and Sub B only, added to roots yesterday, today a thin film of clear slime covers the roots, the plants seem happy, to be safe, I've added another airstone to the res to make sure it gets enough oxygen. The water smell has changed overnight as well, a little cloudy and has a really earthy smell. I think I'm going the right way.
 
MrMoores

MrMoores

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I wonder if there's a certain fish that could eat that slime and continue to live in ur res or a type of leach or something if not continue to live just change res when slimes bin eaten I appreciate it's easier to make a heisenbrew just wondering if it's been done
 
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blackstang

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MrMoores said:
I wonder if there's a certain fish that could eat that slime and continue to live in ur res or a type of leach or something if not continue to live just change res when slimes bin eaten I appreciate it's easier to make a heisenbrew just wondering if it's been done
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I believe it ( nutes, ph up/down)...would kill the fish....from the small amount of "fish aquarium" info that has been posted here it seems like people will actually remove the fish when adjusting nutrient levels that fish need...such as ph and nitrates etc.....and those are things that fish need in certain quantities.....and Im no pacifist but I would lose sleep at night if I tried it and the fish ended up suffering and dying for my "needs".....of course I cant eat burgers after seeing that 20/20 special about the cows being abused, but thats just me....to each his own
 
rory420420

rory420420

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blackstang said:
I believe it ( nutes, ph up/down)...would kill the fish....from the small amount of "fish aquarium" info that has been posted here it seems like people will actually remove the fish when adjusting nutrient levels that fish need...such as ph and nitrates etc.....and those are things that fish need in certain quantities.....and Im no pacifist but I would lose sleep at night if I tried it and the fish ended up suffering and dying for my "needs".....of course I cant eat burgers after seeing that 20/20 special about the cows being abused, but thats just me....to each his own
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Aquaponics/guppy-ponics...its done all the time...
 
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rory420420

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My understanding is nothing like ph chems are needed as the fish and plants live in a symbiotic relationship...but I haven't immersed myself in the field either..
 
rh2050

rh2050

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A few quick questions...

I have been using the tea for two years now with tremendous success. The recipe I currently use is as follows:

1 gallon RO water
5ml Mycogrow
5ml ZHO (added the last hour of brewing)
30ml Ancient Forest
11ml unsulfered Molasses

The last few brews have had a clear gel that is caught by the strainer when the tea is finished. It is the totally transparent and looks like jelly. It doesn't appear to effect the tea and rinses off the strainer very easily. My question is what is this strange gel like substance? Has anyone else experienced this in their brew?

Also did I read that Heisenberg no longer uses the tea as maintenance?

Thank you in advance.
 
warble

warble

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Pythium. Light leaks and not enough oxygen can cause this. It is everywhere, but if your roots are healthy its not a problem.
 
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blackstang

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rh2050 said:
A few quick questions...

I have been using the tea for two years now with tremendous success. The recipe I currently use is as follows:

1 gallon RO water
5ml Mycogrow
5ml ZHO (added the last hour of brewing)
30ml Ancient Forest
11ml unsulfered Molasses

The last few brews have had a clear gel that is caught by the strainer when the tea is finished. It is the totally transparent and looks like jelly. It doesn't appear to effect the tea and rinses off the strainer very easily. My question is what is this strange gel like substance? Has anyone else experienced this in their brew?

Also did I read that Heisenberg no longer uses the tea as maintenance?

Thank you in advance.
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I too have had excellent success with the tea
2 gal distilled
1 tablespoon mycogrow soluble powder
1 big handful Ancient Forest
2 tablespoon unsulfured molasses
Brew 48 hrs
Chill and serve....or rather, serve, then chill
As to your questions, I have never seen the slime you describe however I dont strain ever
I am on page 140 (yes I read every post...and keep a cheat sheet of notes in my black book)
and have never ever (so far) seen Heisenberg say he stopped using the tea for regular maintenance ...again...I am only on page 140 but so far. I have not seen him say that....congrats on your success .....good luck
 
rh2050

rh2050

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blackstang said:
I too have had excellent success with the tea
2 gal distilled
1 tablespoon mycogrow soluble powder
1 big handful Ancient Forest
2 tablespoon unsulfured molasses
Brew 48 hrs
Chill and serve....or rather, serve, then chill
As to your questions, I have never seen the slime you describe however I dont strain ever
I am on page 140 (yes I read every post...and keep a cheat sheet of notes in my black book)
and have never ever (so far) seen Heisenberg say he stopped using the tea for regular maintenance ...again...I am only on page 140 but so far. I have not seen him say that....congrats on your success .....good luck
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Thanks for the reply Blackstang. I too have read every single page of this thread. I swear it used to be 240+ pages when I originally read it. I don't know how it got smaller. Does anyone remember the thread being longer?

Anyway, I don't think the jelly like substance is an issue. It is just strange since I have never seen it before. I am just very curious. I made tea this morning and did not take any photos, my bad. I will take a few pics this next week when I brew again and post then for identification purposes.

SPOILER ALERT! :) On page 182, second paragraph of his post Heisenberg states, "I no longer brew tea for maintenance. I use kangaroots for some base bennies when I place plants into flower, and only once..."

Regardless I am going to continue to use 1 cup per 5 gal bucket as maintenance as I cannot imagine DWC life without tea!

Congrats on your success as well my brother. It is obvious we have all benefited greatly from the wisdom of Dr. H.
 
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blackstang

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rh2050 said:
Thanks for the reply Blackstang. I too have read every single page of this thread. I swear it used to be 240+ pages when I originally read it. I don't know how it got smaller. Does anyone remember the thread being longer?

Anyway, I don't think the jelly like substance is an issue. It is just strange since I have never seen it before. I am just very curious. I made tea this morning and did not take any photos, my bad. I will take a few pics this next week when I brew again and post then for identification purposes.

SPOILER ALERT! :) On page 182, second paragraph of his post Heisenberg states, "I no longer brew tea for maintenance. I use kangaroots for some base bennies when I place plants into flower, and only once..."

Regardless I am going to continue to use 1 cup per 5 gal bucket as maintenance as I cannot imagine DWC life without tea!

Congrats on your success as well my brother. It is obvious we have all benefited greatly from the wisdom of Dr. H.
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lol....thanks for the heads up.....
 
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ramen86

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It's been a long time since I posted on this thread(around page 43). I would say almost 4 years. But I would like to tell you all what recently happened to me.

So if you read back and see when I first got the UnderCurrent system I had no idea what I was getting myself into. I was using AN as my base, didn't cover my pvc pipes or buckets, and light was getting through all over the place. So I switched from AN to Dutchmaster, started using great white, put black trash bags over all the buckets and pvc piping, and just like that, no more slime....FOR FOUR YEARS

Recently all the grow stores in my area stopped carrying Dutchmaster, which made me have to choose another line of base nutrients. I talked with the guy at the grow store and I told him I did DWC, he recommended that I get Heavy 16 because he grows hydro (ebb and flow) and said Heavy 16 is the "holy grail" of nutrients. So I purchased the Veg A&B and began using it in my system. Days later, slime EVERYWHERE.

I am looking everywhere for light leaks. None. I am trying to see if I forgot to give it Great White. No. I am making sure every little piece of pvc pipe and bucket is covered by the black trash bags. They are. I had just finished a run a month ago in the same system, under the same circumstances, and NO SLIME. The ONLY difference is that I switched up my nutrients and I got hit with an unbelievable amount of slime. The only difference I will say though is this. 4 years ago when I first got the slime and came here for help I noticed that the slime was whitish, this time it is dark brown/almost black. Don't know what that means, but I know what my next move is. To remove all the water, clean out my system completely, and run H202 throughout it (maybe even bleach).

You might be asking why I posted this reply. For 2 reasons.

1. To warn everyone NOT to use Heavy 16 in a DWC/RDWC setup, I am 100% sure it will be the main cause of why you are getting slime in your system.

2. To ask you all, what base nutrients do I use now? I know that AN and Heavy 16 are out of the question. What am I left with? A guy I know that has been growing for years recommended that I use H&G. I need some input and feedback. Thanks.
 
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Scroga

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H&g well keep you growing without a hiccup if you follow instructions properly

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rh2050

rh2050

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ramen86 said:
2. To ask you all, what base nutrients do I use now? I know that AN and Heavy 16 are out of the question. What am I left with? A guy I know that has been growing for years recommended that I use H&G. I need some input and feedback. Thanks.
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Sorry to hear about your problems ramen86. I know this can be emotionally overwhelming. Have you considered the Lucas Formula using General Hydroponics 3-Part System until you get everything sorted? Just Lucas Formula and tea.

It is so simple and cheap. It will allow you to focus on solving your slime problem without having to dial in a more complicated base nute regimen.

Good luck bro.
 
blackforest

blackforest

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ramen86 said:
It's been a long time since I posted on this thread(around page 43). I would say almost 4 years. But I would like to tell you all what recently happened to me.

So if you read back and see when I first got the UnderCurrent system I had no idea what I was getting myself into. I was using AN as my base, didn't cover my pvc pipes or buckets, and light was getting through all over the place. So I switched from AN to Dutchmaster, started using great white, put black trash bags over all the buckets and pvc piping, and just like that, no more slime....FOR FOUR YEARS

Recently all the grow stores in my area stopped carrying Dutchmaster, which made me have to choose another line of base nutrients. I talked with the guy at the grow store and I told him I did DWC, he recommended that I get Heavy 16 because he grows hydro (ebb and flow) and said Heavy 16 is the "holy grail" of nutrients. So I purchased the Veg A&B and began using it in my system. Days later, slime EVERYWHERE.

I am looking everywhere for light leaks. None. I am trying to see if I forgot to give it Great White. No. I am making sure every little piece of pvc pipe and bucket is covered by the black trash bags. They are. I had just finished a run a month ago in the same system, under the same circumstances, and NO SLIME. The ONLY difference is that I switched up my nutrients and I got hit with an unbelievable amount of slime. The only difference I will say though is this. 4 years ago when I first got the slime and came here for help I noticed that the slime was whitish, this time it is dark brown/almost black. Don't know what that means, but I know what my next move is. To remove all the water, clean out my system completely, and run H202 throughout it (maybe even bleach).

You might be asking why I posted this reply. For 2 reasons.

1. To warn everyone NOT to use Heavy 16 in a DWC/RDWC setup, I am 100% sure it will be the main cause of why you are getting slime in your system.

2. To ask you all, what base nutrients do I use now? I know that AN and Heavy 16 are out of the question. What am I left with? A guy I know that has been growing for years recommended that I use H&G. I need some input and feedback. Thanks.
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I recently built an undercurrent system and it's working great. I'm running Lucas formula which is just General Hydroponics micro and bloom along with Cal Mag and Botanicare's Hydroguard. I was also recommended "Ionic" nutrients. I was told that it was developed specifically for rdwc and that current culture used to recommend Ionic before they made their own nutes. They hydroguard worked great for my root issue, fortunately I have not had any slime issues.
 
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teknival

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Hello guys,

I have read this thread on heisenburgs tea after my 4 plants succumbed to root rot. It was two late to save 3 of them as it had progressed too far. The last one however which was also wilting and and showed very bad signs has rebounded. Here are some pics. I am growing in two 4x4s each with 1000 w mh for veg.(note: This is only one plant. The second bucket is for support since previously it was in an 18 gallon container. I decided to put it into a 5 gallon bucket while treating with the tea in order to make root inspections easier as well as decrease water volume)
Here are some pics. This is liberty Haze from Barney.

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As you can see this plant is shooting out bright new roots. The leaves stopped wilting after about 5 days of the treatment and new roots have been growing since then.

I was doing 4 plants per tent and since 3 would not recover I had to dispose of them.

I took 20 clones (Moby Dick Dinafem).
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I am thinking about scrapping this entire project and starting over with the clones in a coco setup. This is because I cannot afford to lose anymore time or incur any yield loss due to further root rot infections. Should I keep this one plant and flower it in a few weeks or should I start over again? I really cannot afford for the root rot to come back and I am seeing gnats flying around the bottom of the net pot. The plant however has rebounded and is growing nicely and drinking about a gallon a day. The Heisenberg tea treatment is definitely effective. I think it would have been able to remedy the other plants if the rot had not progressed so badly. (I went on vacation and my friend who took care of them doesn't know much about growing. This is why it got out of control). Any suggestions are welcome especially from those who have been using the tea and are still fighting it or have beat it completely. I really like the speed and simplicity of dwc but I cannot afford to get root rot again on my new clones.
 

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I would also like to thank Heisenburg and the people on this thread. You have provided a wealth on information on the DWC root diseases. Props.
 
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