EJ Mix Ratio
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Victor Vaperight
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http://www.mtbakervapor.com/ Interesting....thx
crawlintbss
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Hrm im curious as to what their mixture / ingredients are. EJ is just PEG400 ( 2/3/400) mixture which helps keep from solidifying.
How is your mixtures consistency after sitting days? Mine are still pure liquid after not even being touched for a week. syringe is still nice golden and no solids.
How is your mixtures consistency after sitting days? Mine are still pure liquid after not even being touched for a week. syringe is still nice golden and no solids.
qwertility
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Hi I made an account just to ask you about your method. I'm very interested in using the absolute minimum amount of EJmix as well since I agree that it tastes awful. I understand you are having success using 1 drop of EJmix per ml of concentrate. I also understand that you use a QWET extract. Do you think this minimum amount of EJmix would work well with BHO? Do you add one drop of EJmix with your concentrate and mix it before adding PG, or do you add EJmix and PG to your concentrate all at once? I feel like I would have trouble mixing the concentrate with just the one drop before adding PG to it. Also, have you had any of this final product separate on you after an extended period of time?
Any information you can give me on your method would be so helpful! Thanks!
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GrowinDad
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I have never made or used BHO, butI developed my method with a buddy and he hd made some. He used some more EJ, don't know exactly. But if fully purged, I don't see why it would behave differently.
What I do is get my oil in a pyrex shot glass type thing. I melt it on a coffee warmer. There is usually not enough for me to get a good measurement on it in there and it is too thick to easily get into a syringe. So I add in 1 ml of ethanol to thin it out and suck it up into a syringe. I then put it into a glass dropper bottle. So if there was 4 ml total, I know I have three of oil. I put it on the coffee warmer to purge off most of the ethanol. A little left doesn't worry me.
From there I have a electric mini hand mixer that works perfectly inside the dropper bottle (great mixing and the tapered top makes for no splatter). I say this because I do not know if that mxing is somehow helping me to be able to use such small amounts of EJ. But I add in the one drop, mix for about ten seconds, and then add the PG and mix some more.
My mix does not separate. I have had some as long as 90 days I would guess...
Having the oil in the 30 ml bottle that is narrow makes it easier to mix in vs if I was still in someting where the oil just barely covers the surface.
What I do is get my oil in a pyrex shot glass type thing. I melt it on a coffee warmer. There is usually not enough for me to get a good measurement on it in there and it is too thick to easily get into a syringe. So I add in 1 ml of ethanol to thin it out and suck it up into a syringe. I then put it into a glass dropper bottle. So if there was 4 ml total, I know I have three of oil. I put it on the coffee warmer to purge off most of the ethanol. A little left doesn't worry me.
From there I have a electric mini hand mixer that works perfectly inside the dropper bottle (great mixing and the tapered top makes for no splatter). I say this because I do not know if that mxing is somehow helping me to be able to use such small amounts of EJ. But I add in the one drop, mix for about ten seconds, and then add the PG and mix some more.
My mix does not separate. I have had some as long as 90 days I would guess...
Having the oil in the 30 ml bottle that is narrow makes it easier to mix in vs if I was still in someting where the oil just barely covers the surface.
Grow Goddess
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I am not sure why there are big differences either. Nix, from another site, compared shatter vs. qwiso side-by-side. He noted differences with separation using PG/USP and PEG. I have done some comparing, but not with BHO. I have noticed differences between 99% iso, grain alcohol, and ethyl. I am really liking the 200 proof ethyl, but it does not work well with all of my strains.
Anyway, I may have asked you in the past, but could you provide a link to the mixer you use? It sounds like it is just what I need. It would be nice to be able to mix in the 30mL bottles.
A link to the source of the EJ mix would be appreciated as well.
I never got around to trying the ND Sap with any mixtures, but I know it will react differently. I just have not had enough to test yet.
The reason for asking, I have a 30mL bottle filled with qwiso mixed with PG/USP. It is quite old now and I would like to give your method a try with a few drops of EJ Mix and a mixer. It would be nice to use up that oil.
Thanks!
GrowinDad
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http://www.amazon.com/Norpro-Cordless-Mini-Mixer-Piece/dp/B000E39LYO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1439049304&sr=8-2&keywords=mini+hand+blenderhttp://www.amazon.com/Norpro-Cordless-Mini-Mixer-Piece/dp/B000E39LYO/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1439049304&sr=8-2&keywords=mini+hand+blender
The attachment is the one that just looks like a pole. When it spins, the sides open up (you can't tell the end is split in the pic).
EJ Mix is on Amazon as well. I am not sure that it will work once already suspended in PG. I add the EJ to the oil and then the PG.
Good to see you back GG!!
The attachment is the one that just looks like a pole. When it spins, the sides open up (you can't tell the end is split in the pic).
EJ Mix is on Amazon as well. I am not sure that it will work once already suspended in PG. I add the EJ to the oil and then the PG.
Good to see you back GG!!
Grow Goddess
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Thanks, don't think I have seen that before. I could just rewarm it and hand mix. It doesn't last as long as the initial mix. I would like to try the mixer and a couple of drops of e-juice.
I think just the mixer alone will help keep it mixed.
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qwertility
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Interesting. I am definitely going to have to try this out. That mixer looks like it will work well for this purpose.
One question though... Is there any chance that the small amount of unpurged ethanol is doing the job that you think the EJmix is doing? What if you were to add a drop of ethanol instead of the EJmix?
Victor Vaperight
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Lots of good stuff out there now. I bought some from Mt. Baker and can't wait for it to arrive. Always looking for the "perfect" taste. Keep tweaking your ratio until perfection. I bought some of the 1.5ml pipettes to store my oil in, as I'm making so much of it from different sources (shatter, crumble, wax) that I want to keep them straight and not mixed together in the tanks. It makes sucking it out of the Pyrex glass much easier and cleaner, and are great for storage. Hot iron tip to the end, and it's closed securely. I damn sure remember paying $60 per in the clubs for my prefills, and going through 2 a week. Who knows what it was, but it was NOWHERE as strong as the stuff I'm making. I go to my club on "Shatterday" and pay $30 per gram for top shelf shatter, come home and end up with a bit over 2ml when done. I love the cost savings at that level not to mention the improvement in taste and strength/quality... Figures out to a 75% reduction in cost for a product 5X better. I like that....
GrowinDad
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It is definitely not the added ethanol as that step was added after my EJ experimenting began. The one thing I have noticed is that if you make a RSO (boiling out the solvent in a rice cooker), you can add to PG and it stays in solution. But it doesn't taste as good or work as well IMO.
qwertility
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I think I'm gonna give your technique a try. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense in my head. I've read multiple threads in which you describe your technique and I'm confused on one thing. When you reduce your extract with ethanol in order to suck it up with the syringe and get it into your dropper bottle, do you add your EJmix and pg before purging off the ethanol, and then purging it at the end? If not, do you think it could be done this way? I feel like having the extract reduced like this would give it a better opportunity to bind with the EJmix and pg.
GrowinDad
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I finish purging the ethanol and then mix in my EJ. Then I add my PG and mix again.
I don't know what impact adding the other stuff in would have on the purge. The only reason I add the extra in is to suck it up and get it into a normal glass dropper bottle. It helps with the measurement as well, but I could eyeball that if I wanted to.
Not sure what you mean by "reduced". Oh wait, you must be a foodie chef type too, as in making a reduction. So technically I guess purging out the ethanol is making a reduction....
I don't know what impact adding the other stuff in would have on the purge. The only reason I add the extra in is to suck it up and get it into a normal glass dropper bottle. It helps with the measurement as well, but I could eyeball that if I wanted to.
Not sure what you mean by "reduced". Oh wait, you must be a foodie chef type too, as in making a reduction. So technically I guess purging out the ethanol is making a reduction....
qwertility
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I guess my main concern is being able to mix the extract with a single drop of EJ. With the ethanol purged, would you say it is runny enough to mix with that mixer without much trouble? Thanks again.
GrowinDad
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I doubt it will hold - very seriously doubt it. I wouldn't micro either as very hard to control. Better to do a water or oil bath or put on a coffee warmer.
It may appear to hold initially. Though I doubt that with the VG. But then it will separate as soon as you get in a tank and hit it.
It may appear to hold initially. Though I doubt that with the VG. But then it will separate as soon as you get in a tank and hit it.
Great thread. Tried EJ (diluted with PG), Puff, and Vapeur, all unflavored. Vapeur's comfortable at 4.2 V. Puff's tastier, but already hot at 3.3 V. It's not a direct comparison, though. Vapeur may get tastier with time and it's in a better atty. They're close.
How does glycerin work for Vapeur?. Adding 20% ruined EJ-PG (not a total loss, maybe need to heat glycerin first to minimize water). Solvent exchange failed after re-dissolving QWET oil in PGA. Try adding glycerin before reducing PGA? If this works, then residual water and ethanol may thin glycerin enough to wick in some attys. Glycerin tinctures are so delicious orally. Also, maybe use kief with sequential cold glycerin extractions. How much oil can be dissolved in glycerin, theoretically, grams/ml?
How does glycerin work for Vapeur?. Adding 20% ruined EJ-PG (not a total loss, maybe need to heat glycerin first to minimize water). Solvent exchange failed after re-dissolving QWET oil in PGA. Try adding glycerin before reducing PGA? If this works, then residual water and ethanol may thin glycerin enough to wick in some attys. Glycerin tinctures are so delicious orally. Also, maybe use kief with sequential cold glycerin extractions. How much oil can be dissolved in glycerin, theoretically, grams/ml?
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EJMix has very strong chemistry taste which I don't like. Puff Majic is better than EJ but I'm not a big fan to their flavor selections. What I like the most is MixerWhite's Spliff flavor. It gives you both nicotine and thc hit and the tobacco flavor works really well with wax, even with bad quality crumble wax. I'm a heavy smoker who just switched to ecig so it is perfect that I get to vape both nicotine and thc at the same time. If you are not smoker they also got some nice flavors such as watermelon ice <--- my favorite flavor for vaping lol
For ratio I always go with 1gram wax : 2ml mixer (sometime 1:3). I prefer to adjust the power setting of vaporizer rather than change the ratio so I never try 1:1.
For ratio I always go with 1gram wax : 2ml mixer (sometime 1:3). I prefer to adjust the power setting of vaporizer rather than change the ratio so I never try 1:1.