Elons Little Plan

Roger A. Shrubber said:
muck is reckless and careless, and less than inclined to clean up his messes...He did more than enough damage to Port Isabel to qualify as vandalism, and i haven't heard one word about him offering to clean up the mess he made.
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How did he get to clean it up without the NTSB investigating and the FAA having a say?
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
How did he get to clean it up without the NTSB investigating and the FAA having a say?
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are you saying that he didn't make the offer to avoid involving those agencies? I have no idea what they will do, but if i was a citizen of Port Isabel, i'd be filing a class action suit against him for property damages...how will those agencies not get involved then?
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
are you saying that he didn't make the offer to avoid involving those agencies? I have no idea what they will do, but if i was a citizen of Port Isabel, i'd be filing a class action suit against him for property damages...how will those agencies not get involved then?
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After a serious incident like that the NTSB usually investigates, or the FAA steps in. The whole fucking thing could have gone off like an A bomb right on the stand. We are talking over twice the power of a Saturn V and a lot more fuel.
 
I have been wondering myself at the lack of government oversight in a situation like this. They and he better just be glad no one got killed in that debacle, or they wouldn't be able to ignore this, as they are apparently doing.
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
I have been wondering myself at the lack of government oversight in a situation like this. They and he better just be glad no one got killed in that debacle, or they wouldn't be able to ignore this, as they are apparently doing.
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I think the FAA license had provisions for a lot of this. The limiter (or the long pole, as the Musk oxen like to say) is building a better launch thingie.
 
cannabineer said:
I think the FAA license had provisions for a lot of this. The limiter (or the long pole, as the Musk oxen like to say) is building a better launch thingie.
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they sure made it look like this one was special when they were building it...from 2021
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/03/elo...ruction-of-starship-launchpad-in-florida.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/spa...lds-launch-pad-florida-elon-musk-2021-12?op=1
but it turns out it was a piece of poorly designed poorly thought out shit...sound familiar, in this context?

Do you actually trust him to do ANYTHING right the first time? I'm not so sure about the second time...
https://news.yahoo.com/launchpad-up...ElT3CRfJoQl0nCet&_guc_consent_skip=1682641102
 
Nugnewbie said:
www.thedailybeast.com

Starship's Explosion Spells Much Bigger Troubles for SpaceX

The company isn’t a startup anymore. So why is it still acting like one?
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com

Has someone posted this yet? I think other articles stated the FAA has grounded the starship program pending investigation.
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CNBC reported Monday that the Federal Aviation Administration has even grounded the Starship program as it investigates the impact it might have had on surrounding communities and ecosystems. (Neither the FAA nor SpaceX responded to requests for comment.)

that's good to hear, no idea why that wouldn't be announced in the news before now
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
CNBC reported Monday that the Federal Aviation Administration has even grounded the Starship program as it investigates the impact it might have had on surrounding communities and ecosystems. (Neither the FAA nor SpaceX responded to requests for comment.)

that's good to hear, no idea why that wouldn't be announced in the news before now
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The FAA gave approval to launch in the first place. Couldn't they have foreseen the possible problems?

www.cnbc.com

FAA requires SpaceX to make environmental adjustments to move forward with its Starship program in Texas

The FAA said SpaceX will be required to take more than 75 actions to mitigate environmental impacts before the company can receive a launch license.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
they sure made it look like this one was special when they were building it...from 2021
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/03/elo...ruction-of-starship-launchpad-in-florida.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/spa...lds-launch-pad-florida-elon-musk-2021-12?op=1
but it turns out it was a piece of poorly designed poorly thought out shit...sound familiar, in this context?

Do you actually trust him to do ANYTHING right the first time? I'm not so sure about the second time...
https://news.yahoo.com/launchpad-up...ElT3CRfJoQl0nCet&_guc_consent_skip=1682641102
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the Falcon rockets had some teething issues, and their reliability is now the gold standard.

So Spelon or no, Spacex is doing something right. The launch pad kerfuffle is not the usual for that company.
 
Nugnewbie said:
The FAA gave approval to launch in the first place. Couldn't they have foreseen the possible problems?

www.cnbc.com

FAA requires SpaceX to make environmental adjustments to move forward with its Starship program in Texas

The FAA said SpaceX will be required to take more than 75 actions to mitigate environmental impacts before the company can receive a launch license.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
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they should have, easily, in fact i believe a number of experts in the field said that what they had was insufficient...
 
Nugnewbie said:
The FAA gave approval to launch in the first place. Couldn't they have foreseen the possible problems?

www.cnbc.com

FAA requires SpaceX to make environmental adjustments to move forward with its Starship program in Texas

The FAA said SpaceX will be required to take more than 75 actions to mitigate environmental impacts before the company can receive a launch license.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com
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considering that until it cleared the tower it was basically a soft 7-kiloton bomb (the fuel weighted less but has higher energy density than TNT, the standard by which kilotons are assigned), and that the FAA knew that, this is so not the worst imagined case.

I wonder if the flight termination was audible from the ground.
 
cannabineer said:
the Falcon rockets had some teething issues, and their reliability is now the gold standard.

So Spelon or no, Spacex is doing something right. The launch pad kerfuffle is not the usual for that company.
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No, it's the usual for when muck gets deeply involved in something. The further he stays away from a company, the better it does.
He broke off from destroying twitter just long enough to get involved and make stupid suggestions no one can talk him out of...
 
cannabineer said:
I look forward to seeing what the vehicle can do without taking a 12-gauge goose load to the feet.
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as much as i dislike muck, i'm a star trek baby...Of course i want to see it fly, and i want Mars to be colonized, just not by muck, or any corporate entity.
I think I'd prefer an international committee, with members knowledgeable in appropriate fields be given that opportunity, with the costs, and the rewards, shared equally among the member nations.
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
as much as i dislike muck, i'm a star trek baby...Of course i want to see it fly, and i want Mars to be colonized, just not by muck, or any corporate entity.
I think I'd prefer an international committee, with members knowledgeable in appropriate fields be given that opportunity, with the costs, and the rewards, shared equally among the member nations.
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I’d rather Mars weren’t colonized.
We should build in space from asteroid and comet material.
A few science stations on Mars, like we do in Antarctica, fine. But it is such a fragile place.
 
cannabineer said:
I’d rather Mars weren’t colonized.
We should build in space from asteroid and comet material.
A few science stations on Mars, like we do in Antarctica, fine. But it is such a fragile place.
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I could be a belter...Alone in a ship for months at a time, mining asteroids, come back with a full cargo bay, stock up, buy an upgrade now and then, and ship back out...Wonder what a plant grown in zero g would look like?
https://www.quora.com/Can-you-grow-a-tree-in-zero-gravity-What-would-it-look-like
 
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