50% of the country is currently getting a free pass of some kind.
Create a job for yourself first, then you can pretend to be an expert on the matter.
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EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread
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50% of the country is currently getting a free pass of some kind.
Create a job for yourself first, then you can pretend to be an expert on the matter.
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Corso312
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50%? You are going to have to define free pass, If wevare talking Corporate welfare, agricultural welfare etc..its probably like 85% .
ttystikk
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Lol right? Because shoveling billions at mega corps just encouraged them to keep screwing the little guy. More jobs? Sure! For Indonesians, Chinese, Vietnamese, Taiwanese.... but somehow not for those who allowed them their tax breaks to begin with.
I remember when Romney was running and that big stink over his tax returns..a comment from him to his accountants was..for gods sakes don't take so many deductions..his effective rate was 11% and they drove it back up to 13%..I'm running for president and that doesn't look good..he was right about that.
ttystikk
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I'm referencing the time period of the passage of the Sherman Anti Trust Act, among others. You know, these were taught to me in high school as foundational legislation for fairness in our economic system.
And people wonder what's gone wrong with our country?!
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ttystikk
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Dude. Google it. Do your own homework.
Padawanbater2
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50% of the country makes less than $30K/year
97% of economic gains from 2010 have gone to the top 1% of earners
-6% in real wages for average Americans since 1968
You don't seem to understand how economic growth takes place. We live in an economy that is funded by consumption. In order for people to be able to consume, thereby stimulating growth, they need to buy goods and services, and in order to be able to buy goods and services, people need higher incomes. When there is no demand, businesses don't sell products, and when people don't have money, there is no demand.
So it's pretty simple if you give it a little thought. You seem angry, it's almost as if you believe the government is using your tax dollars to pay for social welfare programs for people you already seem to have an arbitrary dislike for, like you're being taken advantage of, almost like a victim mentality. Do you think you're a victim for being fortunate enough to have a job that makes you pay an income tax?
ttystikk
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Nah. Just tell them that if they don't want to start paying taxes, we will revoke their corporate charter, removing their right to collect money in the United States. If that happens to JUST ONE multinational, the rest will snap right into shape; their boards will demand it.
Oh yes they will..companies that can produce more efficiently for less cost and are willing to do so..it's called competition..plenty of 'em.
Fogdog
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Entrepreneurship is most active among the poor and working poor. The wealthy mostly speculate and otherwise make their bones rent seeking. Its the small guys that start the small businesses that are the backbone of this economy. Seriously, do you think a multimillionaire would start up a house cleaning business or maybe a taco truck or maybe a home inspection business?
Conservatives just repeat the bs piped into their echo chamber. Ask @Corso312 who does the heavy lifting in his trade. Its not the mega bucks folks. The wealthy do not create jobs or even do much real work, the wealthy are wealthy because they aggregate wealth. For every Jobs and Gates, I can name 10 people that simply inherited their wealth and never really grew jobs. Starting with Koch brothers. I can also point to the statistics for where most of job growth comes from. Its small businesses. Wealthy people don't start small businesses.
As far as taxation is concerned, just because somebody doesn't pay income taxes, that doesn't mean they live here tax-free. They pay property taxes, fuel and sales taxes. What conservatives want is a flat rate income tax so they can shift more of the tax burden onto those that are already in a financial bind. While they aggregate and speculate with their money. Oh yeah, and they will increase the national debt because flat tax proposals coming from Republicans actually cut taxes without cutting spending -- again.
Then circle back to the myth Spandy spews about the low-life poor. After reducing their available income he will kick them even harder because you know, everybody should be rich. There's that "should" word again. I find that word is mostly used by somebody else, not the one actually doing the work. Conservatives seem to should on people a lot.
its almost as if they wish to pick and choose where their tax dollars are being spent..don't want that 2 cents on a dollar going to social programs..we don't want to pay taxes mentality because some is just not going where we want it to go..just like they only want some type of person in their public establishment..just like taking your cart at Home Depot..it's all personal to them..you're correct..victim mentality.
In the past I've seen employers not pay payroll taxes because they believe it to be 'theirs'..explaining to them it is not..it belongs to the employee..which is why the are hit hard when they fail to deposit these funds to the government..the saddest thing ever is when an employee of a company calls you in January for their W2s that employer neglected to issue because they never deposited the employees payroll taxes. That they're not going to get the refund they anticipated..especially when it's a kid..
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Fogdog
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There are some pretty good arguments against high corporate taxation, starting with who actually pays that tax. Taxes get rolled up into prices, so eventually the tax is payed for by consumers. Then there is competition between nations to attract businesses, basically racing to the bottom. And with good incentives, corporations should know better than the government how to use that money to produce growth. I'd be interested in having a good discussion on this.
Right now, corporations have too much influence in Washington for me to sign up for an honest discussion regarding cutting corporate taxes. Bernie's opposition to the Citizen's United ruling would have to become realized first.
londonfog
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unlike you before a ask an internet question, I find the answer for myself. Just wanted to see if you knew,,,or should I say I wanted to see if @schuylaar did.
I mean she did start a thread about why Bernie should be POTUS. I'm personally starting to think that she knows nothing about Bernie. I myself would take Bernie over any GOP, but you fools are coming with that Bernie or BUST bullshit. That is a problem with me. How the fuck can you be for Bernie but still would not fight to keep Trump or Cruz out of that office ? Stupid way of thinking. I hate stupid. I would suggest you take the time to really think about what I'm saying.
Now back to the question. What bills has Bernie sponsored that has went on to become law. What is his claim to fame in helping the people of Vermont and the USA?
Well the list is very fucking short. So far he has sponsored S. 893 (113th): Veterans’ Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2013. He also renamed a fucking post office.
Two fucking thing this man can claim as his own and you people make it sound like he has made sooooooo many damn changes. I'm being nice by including the fucking naming of a post office.
NLXSK1
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There is only competition if there is profit. If you remove the profit you remove the incentive for competition.
ttystikk
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Many of the rules currently in place are specifically designed to be ANTIcompetitive; which isn't good for anyone besides the dominant industry players. That stifles competition and drives prices up and efficiencies down. That's an invisible tax. No bueno!
Queece
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This is exactly what I mean. You have to let the market correct itself. Monopolies are created by interventionism and obstructionism on the part of government regulators. It is a collusion problem and a price-fixing problem. Look no further than the precious metals markets. Clear manipulation that has been proven by a court of law multiple times, nothing changes.
If Bernie Sanders is elected and makes it illegal for companies to do tax-inversions, the structural changes to the business culture of the United States will be fundamentally affected by knock-on effects. More government intervention in small business. Have you ever started a small business? It's almost impenetrable, the amount of legalese you have to decode.
The way to stop these companies from shipping jobs overseas is to cut off the free-money conduit. M&A deals are incredibly expensive (recent $100billion M&A deal with Astrazeneca and Pfizer), these companies can afford to do them because they have access to free money at 0.001% interest. If you have a mosquito problem, you don't try to kill them all individually, you drain the standing water. Remove the punch bowl.
I was talking about handouts just because whatever. Not people being taxed on money that they actually earned.
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Fogdog
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Its pretty well established that our country receives less value from its health care spending than other western countries with government run healthcare. There is plenty of profit going to insurance providers, however. So, yes, they are competing for that profit between each other yet they are losers when compared against systems in other countries that provide better value. I have no problem with companies making profits if they are actually competitive. But they are not.
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