FinShaggy's Religious Marijuana Grow Journal

Finshaggy said:
I forget the exact brand, but I am pretty sure it is 2 different brands. Me and my roommate got different brands I am pretty sure, but it is 1500W and 1200W, but then also 100W and 400W HPS
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Well you can't grow with something if you don't know what you're growing with. I'm sure you can find the exact model of the light you're using, yeah? There's lots of factors to consider before spending money on lights like that. Maybe to give me an idea, how much did you pay for the fixtures? 1,500w of LED should be thousands of dollars from a manufacturer.
 
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Lucky Luke said:
1500w led?..real W or pretend W?.
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"Equivalent"

And all you LED haters are losing money. Way better than CFLs, I have 4 lights, something like 24 actual Watts each, so like 100 Equivelant each (then a actual W CFL). And they got all these plants to the size they are until about 6 days ago when the LED was put in there tent (we have 2). And there are 6 Females, 3 Males and some Tomatoes and Tobacco, etc.
 
CCCmints said:
Well you can't grow with something if you don't know what you're growing with. I'm sure you can find the exact model of the light you're using, yeah? There's lots of factors to consider before spending money on lights like that. Maybe to give me an idea, how much did you pay for the fixtures? 1,500w of LED should be thousands of dollars from a manufacturer.
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I can find it, don't worry, it's not bad. I'll get the model number tomorrow or something. And I am getting a CMH soon too probably.
 
Finshaggy said:
"Equivalent"

And all you LED haters are losing money. Way better than CFLs, I have 4 lights, something like 24 actual Watts each, so like 100 Equivelant each (then a actual W CFL). And they got all these plants to the size they are until about 6 days ago when the LED was put in there tent (we have 2). And there are 6 Females, 3 Males and some Tomatoes and Tobacco, etc.
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I'm not an led hater at all. But why quote untrue figures?
 
Finshaggy said:
I don't know the "actual" watts. 1500W is a round number that is easy to remember, and LEDs do more than just their actual wattage in my opinion. At least compared to CFLs.
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no..they draw a wattage of power......u cannot get 15 watts from drawing 1 watt....
 
Lucky Luke said:
you dont have a clue what your talking about do you?

An appliance, any electrical appliance, draws a power figure, that figure is normally rated in W. It will be on your unit on a sticker.
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:lol:

Let me explain this to you. Electricity was invented in the 1800s, and in the late 1800s came the light bulb. Then they created Ballasted Lights to create Higher Wattage.

Then we got to a point in history where we decided that throwing away light bulbs, and using so much electricity was not so great. So they started making light bulbs that use less "actual" wattage, for an "equivalent" wattage.

And that is where we are now. Welcome to the future.
 
Also, if you go Google "400W 1000W HPS LED Study" there was a study done where a few biologists and horticulturists grew in these conditions.

1.
1000W HPS

2.
400W HPS
100W LED surrounding it on 4 sides


And they claimed that the 400W worked the same as the 1000W, with the added benefit of better light penetration, meaning more branches getting more light making bigger nugs everywhere, instead of just mainly at the middle of the HPS like it does with HPS, they called the HPS good spot on the plant(s) the "sweet spot". But the LED/HPS combo gave more nugs, as well as more trichombes.

And I am doing a combo.

So I wouldn't say that the wattage is really important at all as long as you have enough. And I have enough, plus I will probably get a CMH soon, which is equivalent to 1000W MH, and CMH is just Ceramic Metal Halide (MH is Metal Halide for the benefit of anyone reading who does not know). And something like 315W CMH is 1000W MH because less Wattage goes to heat. And LEDs don't give off as much heat either, so it's also possible that the added wattage benefit I am seeing that is greater than actual wattage is the heat benefit. And I am just saying that it's better than actual wattage, I am not saying 1500W LED is equal to 1500W HPS, but it is higher than its actual wattage compared to HPS. I think LED 1500W is like 350 actual Watts, and I would say that 1500W LED is way better than 350W HPS.

But with Ceramic Metal Halide they are actually the same type of light, but just a different material allows the bulb to not heat up so much, which allows 315W to be 1000W, and there aren't as many haters out there disputing that.
 
Finshaggy said:
I can find it, don't worry, it's not bad. I'll get the model number tomorrow or something. And I am getting a CMH soon too probably.
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This type of statement just boggles my mind. "don't worry, it's not bad"...You literally don't even know what it is. For all you know its one of those scam LEDs (like a Mars Hydro) which boast great claims but in reality its a trash fixture. LED isn't exactly a simple technology to play with. You need to know way more than just the model number of the light you're using when talking LED, much less not even knowing that tiny sliver of information. You clearly spend a shit load of time, energy, and effort into pursuing something which seems to be one of your passions. Why would you ignore the obvious factors involved? You may as well not even bother with this whole 'being passionate about growing marijuana' thing, if you don't even know what lights you're using to grow your plants...

You've purchased a 1,500w fixture and a 1,200w fixture. You have no idea what they are. At the very least, please share how much you paid for them so we can get an idea of what you're working with. its concerning, because those two fixtures should easily be in the multiple thousands of dollars range and you don't even know what they are.
 
Finshaggy said:
And I am just saying that it's better than actual wattage, I am not saying 1500W LED is equal to 1500W HPS, but it is higher than its actual wattage compared to HPS. I think LED 1500W is like 350 actual Watts, and Iwould say that 1500W LED is way better than 350W HPS.

But with Ceramic Metal Halide they are actually the same type of light, but just a different material allows the bulb to not heat up so much, which allows 315W to be 1000W, and there aren't as many haters out there disputing that.
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Anyone who has spent 45 minutes researching these technologies would laugh at someone thinking 350w HPS even has a chance in comparison to 1,500w LED. Even the most seasoned veteran old head HPS grower would agree that 1,500w LED absolutely decimates 350w HPS. That's just a ludicrous statement. LED pulls power just like HPS. Its about the differences in usable light output per watt between these two technologies. The current understanding is that it is possible to match HPS with 20-25% less power draw running LED. For instance, the two lights I'll be testing in a side-by-side to determine if LED is equivalent or maybe trumps HPS would be a roughly 731w LED fixture vs a 1000w HPS DE fixture.
 
CCCmints said:
This type of statement just boggles my mind. "don't worry, it's not bad"...You literally don't even know what it is.
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I haven't read anything but this yet in your post, but I actually got the lights on Amazon, and I made sure they all had a lot of reviews and good reviews. I just don't remember all the specifics.
 
CCCmints said:
This type of statement just boggles my mind. "don't worry, it's not bad"...You literally don't even know what it is. For all you know its one of those scam LEDs (like a Mars Hydro) which boast great claims but in reality its a trash fixture. LED isn't exactly a simple technology to play with. You need to know way more than just the model number of the light you're using when talking LED, much less not even knowing that tiny sliver of information. You clearly spend a shit load of time, energy, and effort into pursuing something which seems to be one of your passions. Why would you ignore the obvious factors involved? You may as well not even bother with this whole 'being passionate about growing marijuana' thing, if you don't even know what lights you're using to grow your plants...

You've purchased a 1,500w fixture and a 1,200w fixture. You have no idea what they are. At the very least, please share how much you paid for them so we can get an idea of what you're working with. its concerning, because those two fixtures should easily be in the multiple thousands of dollars range and you don't even know what they are.
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:lol:

After reading all this I think I should point out I said "don't worry" because I am already using 1 of the LEDs in the veg tent, and it is doing great. I am adding a whole other LED, then 2 HPSs, and 3 UVB CFLs. It will be fine, don't worry, calm down.
 
CCCmints said:
Anyone who has spent 45 minutes researching these technologies would laugh at someone thinking 350w HPS even has a chance in comparison to 1,500w LED. Even the most seasoned veteran old head HPS grower would agree that 1,500w LED absolutely decimates 350w HPS. That's just a ludicrous statement. LED pulls power just like HPS. Its about the differences in usable light output per watt between these two technologies. The current understanding is that it is possible to match HPS with 20-25% less power draw running LED. For instance, the two lights I'll be testing in a side-by-side to determine if LED is equivalent or maybe trumps HPS would be a roughly 731w LED fixture vs a 1000w HPS DE fixture.
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I feel like you completely misread what I said.

Are you saying that 1500W LED is better than 350W HPS, because that is exactly what I said.
 
CCCmints said:
Anyone who has spent 45 minutes researching these technologies would laugh at someone thinking 350w HPS even has a chance in comparison to 1,500w LED. Even the most seasoned veteran old head HPS grower would agree that 1,500w LED absolutely decimates 350w HPS. That's just a ludicrous statement. LED pulls power just like HPS. Its about the differences in usable light output per watt between these two technologies. The current understanding is that it is possible to match HPS with 20-25% less power draw running LED. For instance, the two lights I'll be testing in a side-by-side to determine if LED is equivalent or maybe trumps HPS would be a roughly 731w LED fixture vs a 1000w HPS DE fixture.
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I just read this again, and it's like you read my earlier posts, pretended I wasn't the person that wrote them, and then tried to argue against me with all the things that I myself said.
 
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