First time SOG 8x8

kgp

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Kgp..
I know rhe difference.

As I said, .8 sq feet per plant is absolute overkill plant wise especially comsidering the
Lighting..
You're brief, useless response does little to help the guy.

That light around the perimeter is going to drop dramatically on over a third of the plants

Toad
Sog = no training, thats all i was saying. Sorry I came off like a dick.
 

nbcochet

Member
How tall are they? If you dont mind me asking... how tall where they when you switched the light cycle?
The amnesias are 27-35 inches tall while the others have around 14-27 inches now. They had between 5 and 10 inches when I turned to flowering.
 

nbcochet

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I actually do something similar, i top then flower, if needed i raise plants to be even height if it grew too much. I also lollipop all buds that aren't as big as the tops, basically each plant has (2) 10-14 inch colas, all with in the 6 inch diameter of the pot.its pretty bad ass. I did a little test run like this from seed. If i do from clone, it would be amazing.

Ps i tend to be stingy with my seeds which is ridiculous cause i have a nice amount I think
How many plants per square meter you put?
 

WH33LS

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The amnesias are 27-35 inches tall while the others have around 14-27 inches now. They had between 5 and 10 inches when I turned to flowering.
Ty

How long has it been since you switched them to flower?

I'm wondering how long it took for them to reach the height they are now
 

skinitti666

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I actually do something similar, i top then flower, if needed i raise plants to be even height if it grew too much. I also lollipop all buds that aren't as big as the tops, basically each plant has (2) 10-14 inch colas, all with in the 6 inch diameter of the pot.its pretty bad ass. I did a little test run like this from seed. If i do from clone, it would be amazing.

Ps i tend to be stingy with my seeds which is ridiculous cause i have a nice amount I think
What's lollipop bro
 

f series

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What's lollipop bro
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This is like week 3, instead of just cutting off bottoms randomly, I check bud sizes near tops. Anything not close to or same size gets removed simple as that.
Point is remove vegetation not getting adequate light (smaller buds aka waste of plant energy)
The difference between lollipop and not, and it's much more dramatic in person.
Same plant (clones) peyote critical Barney's farm

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skinitti666

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This is like week 3, instead of just cutting off bottoms randomly, I check bud sizes near tops. Anything not close to or same size gets removed simple as that.
Point is remove vegetation not getting adequate light (smaller buds aka waste of plant energy)
The difference between lollipop and not, and it's much more dramatic in person.
Same plant (clones) peyote critical Barney's farm

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Thanks bro
 

Pawnee

Member
Okay, for an 8x8 I would suggest 2000-2400 TRUE watts of lower-tier LEDs like these Bestvas.

Think about it: you have 4- 4x4 areas in an 8x8. The rule of thumb is a 600 watt HPS per 4x4, so 2400 watts of HID. The sad truth is the Bestva LEDs are *maybe* as efficient as HPS lights. Maybe those lights are better than HPS, but probably not. In my 5x5 tent I was running about 800 true watts of decently efficient LEDs (not top tier, but definitely much better than HID).

ps, it is a pet peeve of mine to call those lights "2000w" and "3000w", which misleads the uneducated to think they are 2000 WATTS and 3000 WATTS while they are not. And they are also not the "equivalent" of a 2000 watt or 3000 watt light.
Word**
 

nbcochet

Member
The worst thing happened, i got hermies all over, it is full of seeds :(. I have harvested one week ago 2 autoflowers, they are perfectly healthy, no seed. I really don't know what coulda cause this, I was 1-2 weeks close to the finish. I cutted all of them. The blue cheese, critical and some pineapple were on flush already, I'll see if I can use something in the end.
 

Deketx

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The worst thing happened, i got hermies all over, it is full of seeds :(. I have harvested one week ago 2 autoflowers, they are perfectly healthy, no seed. I really don't know what coulda cause this, I was 1-2 weeks close to the finish. I cutted all of them. The blue cheese, critical and some pineapple were on flush already, I'll see if I can use something in the end.
Damn! Sorry to hear that bud. I hope you get a good harvest despite the damn hermies.
 
Shitty to hear this and hope your grow up is not totally ruined!

There can be multiples individual reasons that can lead to this or it can be an combination of issues.
Can you please send us your complete feeding schedule so that we can take an deeper glance into it?

How many hermies did you spot exactly? (You need to look for the banana looking like organs on the plants.)
Any pattern observed? (eg only an specific strain developed them bananas)

If no specific pattern is observed and all the strains started developing them then you are looking at an environmental stress factor.
Since you are using fairly small pots (5.5l) you don't have room for mistakes and flexibility and your plants are more sensitive to stress factors which can be triggering them to develop male organs.
 
I've analyzed this thread again from the start and I think that I have found an major reason why this has happened to you but I need to know the exact feeding schedule. Can it be that you have made an mistake nutriment wise? Mixed up booster accelerator for PK 13-14?

PK 13-14 used too early in the flowering stage can result into tricking the plant into beleiving its close to the end of its cycle and should only be givin during one week of flowering when buds are already existing 3-4 weeks before harvest while the booster activator is added next to canna flores and pk 13- 14 during most of the flowering stage while maintaing the correct PH&EC values.

In combination with other stress factors such as the trimming of the lower branches and solar panel during flowering stage and the fact that you used smaller pots made your plants even more sensitive agains anything in general.

I'm curious to find out whether the bananas appeared on one strain and polenized the other plants or if they all started to grow them bananas, and please post your feeding schedule and again the list of all the products you used.
 

nbcochet

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I don't have any pics from before. I think all of them are hermies, or at least 80%. I misinterpreted an online canna feeding chart, I gave them PK 13-14 in week 4, about 5ml per gallon and started again in week 6 to put 1ml of PK 13-14 per gallon at every feeding. Both light cycle and dark cycle were interrupted for few hours when I had the controller problem, in the 2nd week of flowering. I gave them Canna Vega in the first week of flowering, Canna boost after 2 weeks when the first pistils appeared, started with 10ml/gallon and raised to 15ml/gallon and Canna Flores from 15 to 20 ml/gallon. Two times feeding once plain water. Most of the time I have used collected rain water. PH between 5.6 and 6.2 EC from 0.5 to 0.8.
 
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nbcochet

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I am planning to start again, this time I'll add a veg tent. I want to use clones, I am not sure if from the start. Is it better go from the seed at first and when lollipop to choose the healthiest clones (from different 80 seeds) for the future mothers, or to put 10-20 seeds in the veg tent and wait to make enough clones? I want to add a hydroponic system also, on 4x4 at least. If I will save money from the seeds maybe I'll add 2. What type and wich medium do you advise me to use?
 
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