Florida Republicans fight to keep medical Marijuana off ballot

we should ban medical paperwork.

LIBERTY. INDEPENDENCE. AMERICA.

i have won the debate.

ginwilly said:

the infant mortality rate is based on the fact that us and Canada are the only two countries that count premies. Canada rates down the list with us. When you count only full term births we are top 5.

We are obese because the foods our FDA and HHS tells us to eat and the USDA tells us is safe are in fact very unhealthy. We would have a better outcome without these agencies. It's very hard to overcome the lies of entities we are told exist solely for the safety of our citizens.

If you think the US hasn't had a hand in the most medical advancements the past century then I see why you think we are so bad, if you actually looked at the history of medicine, you would see that your thinking is wrong. Our advancements occurred while medicine was less shackled, not so much anymore.

We've become an instant gratification society that demands a pill for any discomfort. A pill that the government mandates must be purchased from an American company (who makes them in Malaysia), and approved by the same FDA that has us eating corn fillers in all processed food, and not some cheaper, just as safe version from those third world countries like Canada.

For you to blame all of this on our health care industry is very naive.

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We are obese because the FDA is not doing it's job? So more regulation or better regulation is needed and needs to be enforced? It has nothing to do with the companies that produce the food that - were it not for the FDA, would not be offered? What kind of convoluted sense is that? Are you blaming government for free enterprise's profitable poisoning of our population?

Sure the U.S. has had a hand in all sorts of medical advances - most reluctantly, if at all, offered to those who cannot afford exhorbitant prices for these things. I see the right complaining that our prices are high because of lack of competition yet they have no problem with group bulk purchases of medicine or purchasing directly out of the country, drugs that U.S. companies have manufactured out of the country anyway. My point is that we may have the best health care for the individual but if it does not extend to the majority - it is shit. Which is what you said, except you blame government. How much money do you think the individuals in government can withstand being offered before they finally find a way to comply?


You stend to blame the people of our country who prefer the instant gratification that happens to fatten the bottom line of every "instant gratification" based industry we have, including credit card companies, banks, payday loans, fast food, cell phones, entertainment, boats, cars and all the rest. Now on the one hand you support free enterprise and our market system but on the other you blame the people who's encouraged wants actually keep this system afloat.

I blame lots of this on the health care industry and their lobbying arm. Any way you look at it, the health care industry profits. As always, follow the money, not the small money, but the big bucks. It isn't the population and it's instant gratification mentality that has just sprung up as a motivating force out of thin air but the dedication of those who instill such wants into the population by the expenditures of tens or hundreds of billions of dollars in order to have us "want" and "want NOW".

ginwilly said:

But canndo, we are not one society under the flag, we are many. Our founders understood this and designed a hierarchy that had a power flow from my house to my community to my state to my country. The progressives have been trying for a century to reverse these powers and we are starting to see the affect.

I'm sorry, but one size fits all governance only fits those doing the governing. At this time it's your side making the rules so you are cool with it. When the other side does it, you protest. The side affects of one-sized fits all brought us Jim Crow laws, DOMA, The Patriot Act and ACA to name but a few. We allow the central planners to bend us over, then we demand the central planners to fix what they've created.

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There are times when one size fits all is the only way anything can get paid. beyond that, your ideology might easily mandate local jim crow laws, local prohibitions for women, local atagonistic attitudes toward voters of certain ethnicity or religion. What you are saying here is that "all men are created equal" is a "one size fits all" mentality and there should be no universality of rights in this country.

ginwilly said:

Many lifesaving vaccines came about because of the government granting studies then getting out of the way. That was then. Now they rely on outdated studies to base care and force you to properly dot your i before you can legally partake. Paperwork and documentation is the foundation of government health care now, not actual healthcare. A hospital corp will have only a fraction of people doing actual care compared to the people who figure out how to comply with the new and old regulations.

We watered our gremlins dude.

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But... adherence to each and every health insurance company in order to get paid, every one requiring something different, every one granting or allowing this treatment or that drug is the government's fault? There had to be a law passed in order to keep health insurance companies from keeping more than 80 percent of the premiums they take in. How much of that extra money ever went to health care?

canndo said:

But... adherence to each and every health insurance company in order to get paid, every one requiring something different, every one granting or allowing this treatment or that drug is the government's fault? There had to be a law passed in order to keep health insurance companies from keeping more than 80 percent of the premiums they take in. How much of that extra money ever went to health care?

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Insurance is the evil bogeyman to us in the field too. You can credit FDR and wage freezes for your dependence on insurance, again, big brother. It was not unheard of in the very recent past for a doctor to drop by your house to see you and accept what you could pay. Regulations would make that same doctor jump through so many hoops to make a home visit that it's now more hassle than help.

He can apply for a certificate of need, acquire a license for home health, buy his own insurance against malpractice doing home health, have his equipment tested regularly to make sure it conforms, or he can say fuck it, you'll have to come see me.

Physicians have become employees instead of employers because of medicare fee schedules that favor the hospital.

Many other instances of how the government has increased costs have been rehashed over and over in these threads. I fear it falls on the deaf ear of the govangelical anyway.

ginwilly said:

It was not unheard of in the very recent past for a doctor to drop by your house to see you and accept what you could pay.

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yes, they would take payment in chickens and ride away on their horse and buggy. timmy had to be put down due to that whooping cough but ma made it to the ripe old age of 45.

and thje best part was that all those darkies knew their place!

america.

UncleBuck said:

a great number of the advancements in the medical field actually came from the space program which...

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is thanks to the government!

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project paperclip?

privates not in space? redbull? verizon?

UncleBuck said:

yes, they would take payment in chickens and ride away on their horse and buggy. timmy had to be put down due to that whooping cough but ma made it to the ripe old age of 45.

and thje best part was that all those darkies knew their place!

america.

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wow, you even turned home visits into racism, well done man, you are really good at this race bait shit, some might even say a master baiter when it comes to race. 1980's were more advanced than your books tell you.

"darkies" WOW you done fell off thats pretty racist.

UncleBuck said:

we should ban medical paperwork.

LIBERTY. INDEPENDENCE. AMERICA.

i have won the debate.

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2nd place

You didnt say CONSTITUTION