flushing question

Canibitual said:

these two tidbits of info from your own post should help you understand that,...

1) Plants Uptake many things that they do not eat... (that's why molasses smells)
2) Some Elements move up and down the plant... (otherwise known as Storing them)

I know #2 is going to be hard for you to understand... but look at a garden hose... when water is "traveling through" it, it is also "Storing it" in the hose

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That is another thread. I don't really care about that.

Buds do not store fertilizer.

Trousers said:

That is another thread. I don't really care about that.

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You are the one who posted it...

Trousers said:

Buds do not store fertilizer.

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buds have many elements inside the tissue... you can go all day long about "storage" but your wrong... get over it...

Canibitual said:

ps...

(NO2 ) stored. in soil can be converted. into nitrate ions (NO3)... that's NITROGEN WITH 2 OXYGEN Molecules Converting To NITROGEN WITH 3 OXYGEN Molecules

SO Good Luck with that....

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That doesn't change my opinion or mean that my unflushed weed doesn't taste and smell great or burn to a white ash.
I am just not seeing what the flushers say I will get in my unflushed weed.

I am a farmer. Do you suggest I flush thousands of acres of corn?

Jbone77 said:

Ok, you are right, the fact that every single chemical nutrient manufacturer says you should discontinue using their product in the last week of a hydroponic grow, thus costing them money, says nothing to the fact that their may be something in them that you should not consume, it just shows that every single chemical nute manufacturer has no idea how to run a business and want their consumers to have poor harvest from unhealthy plants. It is probably a conspiracy and they collectively started this forum myth to see who could take the biggest quarterly loss by people not using their products and are secretly all sitting in a conference room laughing their asses off that people actually believe it.

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Read the links.

come up with a better angle.

Trousers said:

That doesn't change my opinion or mean that my unflushed weed doesn't taste and smell great or burn to a white ash.
I am just not seeing what the flushers say I will get in my unflushed weed.

I am a farmer. Do you suggest I flush thousands of acres of corn?

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you are not a farmer... your a dumbass...

you don't understand the first thing about nutrients in farm land...

Canibitual said:

buds have many elements inside the tissue... you can go all day long about "storage" but your wrong... get over it...

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Don't put words in my mouth.
Buds do not store fertilizer, period.

Plants do not know the difference between organic or chemical food.

How do you propose that running 10 gallons of water through a pot rinses the insides of buds out?
What is does is shut down the roots and stress the plants.

Go ahead and flush, you are not helping the quality of your weed at all.

What got you started on flushing? Was it because some guy told you to do it?

Myself, I believed the lies because it sounded good to me at the time. When I investigated flushing, it did not stand up to examination.

Canibitual said:

you are not a farmer... your a dumbass...

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You do not have to believe me. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go flush 2,000 acres of corn and soybeans.

Does anyone know where I can get a few million gallons of water?

Jbone77 said:

you don't understand the first thing about nutrients in farm land...

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Are we just going to call each other names now?

I know it is difficult for you to abandon your paradigm.
You have been flushing and got some great results and it is cozy.

Then some guy comes along with scientific evidence that flushing is a waste of time and actually hurts the plant.

I can see how your ego will not allow you to be rational. It is very human.

No big deal. You will figure it out someday.

I dont flush, I discontinue nutes and water til normal runoff in the final week, just like every manufacturer suggests I do, you are clearly smarter than them tho.

Trousers said:

Don't put words in my mouth.
Buds do not store fertilizer, period.

Plants do not know the difference between organic or chemical food.

How do you propose that running 10 gallons of water through a pot rinses the insides of buds out?
What is does is shut down the roots and stress the plants.

Go ahead and flush, you are not helping the quality of your weed at all.

What got you started on flushing? Was it because some guy told you to do it?

Myself, I believed the lies because it sounded good to me at the time. When I investigated flushing, it did not stand up to examination.

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you didn't read a word I wrote... I didn't say to flush 10 gallons through a pot... I'm not trying to stress the plants.... just leech excess nutes out...

farmers do not add 1400ppm nutrient all the way up to the last day before harvest...

Farmers usually work in the 200ppm range and their soil is around 400ppm range...

I dont recall saying you dont know the first thing about farming but whatever, I spent the first 22 years of my life as a midwest farm boy, one thing I can tell you from my limited experience is all your farmland needs to be reammended before the start of your next crop cycle because the plant absorb nutrients and the rain flushes nutrients away. Farmland is nowhere near as fertile at the end of season as at the beginning.

The rain does not "flush" the soil.
That would require biblical amounts of rain.



I don't even have a dog in this fight.
I grow organic. I make my own fertilizer and don't buy that expensive bottled crap.
Running excessive amounts of water through my pots would be incredibly dumb. The microbes would wash away and the roots would stop absorbing anything. How would that flush anything out of my plant?

If you flush because you are worried about chemicals why in the fuck are you growing with that shit?
If it is so bad, why feed your plant with it at all?

Nasty, toxic chemicals in your weed that foul it up and make it burn black and taste terrible.
Why would you want that?

cough cough

I used to grow with General Hydroponics in flood tables and coco, modified lucas formula. I have no beef with synthetic nutrients nor am I an organic snob.
After reading about flushing I decided to stop and lo and behold, my weed was still great.
improper curing is the problem, not lack of flushing

Your right & the r & d dept. at Dynagro, AN, GH and all the rest are wrong

you're

Did you read the links?

i have grown off and on for at least 35 years, never flushed, and never heard of it till i came on the forums. i do back off on the food in the last few weeks, and have been known to never feed. you can't flush the ground, and what has already been taken up in the plant, you can't get out. i say if you do, then flush it, if you don't, don't worry about it.

Jondaman brought a great point. Now that we have the ability to have our buds analyzed, I find it odd that no one has done a comparative analysis. I personally do not flush, because I have seen nothing that would indicate a benefit to it. However I generally stay out of these trainwrecks, as they are so counter productive. If you flush, fine. It doesnt affect MY buds in the least. Why is it so important for some to be right? Used to be just discussions on religion and politics I avoided, I guess flushing should go on that list as well!!

i agree, i don't get into it either, but i had a good buzz and had to give my $.02

Jack Harer said:

Jondaman brought a great point. Now that we have the ability to have our buds analyzed, I find it odd that no one has done a comparative analysis. I personally do not flush, because I have seen nothing that would indicate a benefit to it. However I generally stay out of these trainwrecks, as they are so counter productive. If you flush, fine. It doesnt affect MY buds in the least. Why is it so important for some to be right? Used to be just discussions on religion and politics I avoided, I guess flushing should go on that list as well!!

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Jack Harer said:

Jondaman brought a great point. Now that we have the ability to have our buds analyzed, I find it odd that no one has done a comparative analysis. I personally do not flush, because I have seen nothing that would indicate a benefit to it. However I generally stay out of these trainwrecks, as they are so counter productive. If you flush, fine. It doesnt affect MY buds in the least. Why is it so important for some to be right? Used to be just discussions on religion and politics I avoided, I guess flushing should go on that list as well!!

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Exactly.

If it were available here in UK I would get an analysis done and scan the reports to show conclusive proof of whether anything had changed for better or worse from flushing vs not.


Everything I've ever read about rootzone, rhizosphere, osmotic pressure, uptake availability etc leads me to the conclusion that flushing isn't necessary.

I was reading another thread last night about senescence. That flushing enduces the premature senescence in a plant which happens naturally anyway.

Then there was an article about tomatoes in an edition of URBAN GARDEN MAGAZINE whereby flushing causes the osmotic pressure in the roots to kind of explode allowing a massive uptake of just water which causes split tomatoes. Now obviously this is tomatoes and not MJ.

I just wish someone would do a side by side test and post the analysed results for all to see.


All I know is that since I stopped flushing I'm getting bigger harvests with healthier plants with more flavour and aroma.




J

When all competing manufacturers (AN, GH, Dynagro, whoever) of the same product (hydro fert) collectively agree on the same single issue (discontinuing nutes in the final week), they have a reason. They arent dumb. Thats all I wanted to say