Fuck the system....

abandonconflict said:
The earth is alive and has rights. People who can't get this through their head need to get a clue. We need to become symbiotic with it. I believe that in order to do this, our species must cooperate.
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Good points. Cooperation is gotten when we ALIGN interests with others thru mutual trade and interaction. When we can't trade consensually, we should all agree on one thing, to leave the other guy alone and ask him to do the same.

The earth and the Universe must be amused by the actions of men. Peace.
 
This planet happens, at this point, to be able to support a bio-mass. It is not alive and will lose the bio-mass and will still be a planet.

Planets have the un-alienable right to be in the way of Solar orbital collision. That's it.

No rights, but that one.
 
abandonconflict said:
The earth is alive and has rights.
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I see no evidence of either. We must develop this ethos within and for ourselves imo.
People who can't get this through their head need to get a clue.
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I have pondered it long and hard. I have clues, and I do not understand or accept point one. Don't go Romans 1:20 on us, "God made everything and only idiots can't see that".
We need to become symbiotic with it.
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That is not our nature.
I believe that in order to do this, our species must cooperate.
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I was hoping for more than a visceral/emotional argument raised to axiom by fiat. It's the same mistake of which the Natural Law/Rights crowd is guilty: a seductive but ultimately maladaptive idea rendered doctrine by force of will. My opinion. cn
 
3 Pounds of Weeden said:
The land owner? We are symbiotic with this earth, no one should own it.

Sorry Mitt, but I don't believe political scum knows what's best for me on any level. Law has the same effects as religion; it's just used to scare you into doing what they want.
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So I should be allowed to build a house in your front yard? And I should be able to throw a party in your back yard? You think law was just some bullshit thought up to scare people into doing what they want? Isn't that the exact reason we invented laws in the first place; to provide some kind of level and fair playing field instead of letting the strongest just doing what they want?
 
Rob Roy said:
Hey let's not forget Durban Poison now!
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Hey, don't think I'm against mud huts, and big fat, naked women with rough diamonds stuck on with beef fat. I'm not against any of it. I don't see any of it as inferior, in any way. And it may have been a better idea all along. We will see.

And the poison was there before us, I think...maybe not. Maybe the gods are crazy, wot? Let's add it to the short list.

OK. One item on the short list....
 
I believe that in order to do this, our species must cooperate.

Well, they only shoot horses, don't they. We are dancing as fast as we can and yet every day, a new crowd of teens wakes up and think they have it all figured out.


Been there.
 
guy incognito said:
So I should be allowed to build a house in your front yard? And I should be able to throw a party in your back yard? You think law was just some bullshit thought up to scare people into doing what they want? Isn't that the exact reason we invented laws in the first place; to provide some kind of level and fair playing field instead of letting the strongest just doing what they want?
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They do what "THEY" want anyway!!!!!!!!!!! Haven't you noticed that regarding law...it applies some and not to others.....arn't the strong ( Powerful ) doing what they want anyway......it happens in societies everyday around the world......in your home town....
 
cannabineer said:
I see no evidence of either. We must develop this ethos within and for ourselves imo. I have pondered it long and hard. I have clues, and I do not understand or accept point one. Don't go Romans 1:20 on us, "God made everything and only idiots can't see that". That is not our nature.

I was hoping for more than a visceral/emotional argument raised to axiom by fiat. It's the same mistake of which the Natural Law/Rights crowd is guilty: a seductive but ultimately maladaptive idea rendered doctrine by force of will. My opinion. cn
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No, I would have given no such biblical argument. Nor would I have rendered doctrine by force of will. I'm talking about our current path being unnatural.

So if symbiosis with the earth isn't natural in your opinion, and there is no evidence in your view that the earth is alive, I can't reason with you. You're clearly evoking a polarity akin to atheists vs creationists. I can only assume that you are interpreting what I said as though I were giving sermon.

Fine. If we don't think differently, then act differently, nothing on earth will change and crisis will not abate.
 
Bear Country said:
They do what "THEY" want anyway!!!!!!!!!!! Haven't you noticed that regarding law...it applies some and not to others.....arn't the strong ( Powerful ) doing what they want anyway......it happens in societies everyday around the world......in your home town....
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Not really. "They" seem to be very opposed to marijuana, but lots of places are legalizing it for medicinal and recreational purposes. And for the record no one is building any structures on my property or partying in my back yard without permission from me. The laws appear to be working pretty well.
 
guy incognito said:
So I should be allowed to build a house in your front yard? And I should be able to throw a party in your back yard? You think law was just some bullshit thought up to scare people into doing what they want? Isn't that the exact reason we invented laws in the first place; to provide some kind of level and fair playing field instead of letting the strongest just doing what they want?
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Laws? I think statutes were invented. Laws, like gravity are constant and not subject to the whims of man trying to control other people. So I do think alot of statutory law was indeed made up to scare people into compliance. I agree with your last line, might or majority doesn't equate to right.
 
guy incognito said:
Not really. "They" seem to be very opposed to marijuana, but lots of places are legalizing it for medicinal and recreational purposes. And for the record no one is building any structures on my property or partying in my back yard without permission from me. The laws appear to be working pretty well.
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I think you missed the point...................there is the world we live in and the law of the land applies and then there is the world THEY live in in which the law of the land applies.......but only if its convenient or if it benefits THEM in some way.......you know good and dam well that the system is FUCKED....and I think others get what I am saying...as for anyone building anything in my back yard....well ya someone is doing that...my grandson...that little raskel...
 
abandonconflict said:
No, I would have given no such biblical argument. Nor would I have rendered doctrine by force of will. I'm talking about our current path being unnatural.

So if symbiosis with the earth isn't natural in your opinion, and there is no evidence in your view that the earth is alive, I can't reason with you. You're clearly evoking a polarity akin to atheists vs creationists. I can only assume that you are interpreting what I said as though I were giving sermon.

Fine. If we don't think differently, then act differently, nothing on earth will change and crisis will not abate.
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What I am doing is denying that the earth is alive in the current sense of that phrase ... that it is an organism with the implications of action and purpose. I consider the Gaia idea to be religious in nature, a modern robe for animism. I guess what i am saying is that if you want me to believe that the earth is indeed alive, how would you demonstrate the truth of that proposal?
My Romans 1:20 analogy wasn't to suggest you were sermonizing, but pointing out thet the Pauline letters used that rhetorical device to cow disagreement. I saw you basically saying "the earth is alive, and anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot". i am not an idiot, and yet i don't see the earth as alive. Oh it bears life upon it, but that idea cannot be acceptably phrased in a manner that implies the earth is a discrete organism. cn
 
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