Gas at $1.49 a gallon. =D

ViRedd

New Member
"Health Insurance is not Health Care."

Exactly right! And "Healthcare" isn't Health Care either. Health Care is what one does on his/her own to insure that he/or she doesn't get sick. A healthy diet, coupled with the proper amount of exercise, goes a long way to insure Health Care. :)

Vi
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
just talking about foreign oil has nothing to do with what WE pay at the pump... a lot of that goes to commercial use. if you look at the gas stations that purchase from the middle east the main ones are
shell
chevron
amoco
exxon mobil
texaco
marathon
conoco

vallero is all owned by mexican companies and companies like bp, citgo, sunoco and phillips buy their oil from canada and mexio


so the majority of the oil that WE consume does come from the middle east.
Actually, the majority of the oil that we consume comes from North America.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3887

2007
0. Domestic Production 40% of total or ~ 2,130.91/ million barrels

Foreign Production ~ 60%
1. Canada 680.533 million barrels (total for the year)
2. Saudi Arabia 530.245
3. Mexico 514.48
4. Venezuela 419.841
5. Nigeria 394.856
6. Angola 181.215
7. Iraq 177.009
8. Algeria 161.755
9. Ecuador 72.138
10. Kuwait 64.306

Total Consumption ~ 5,327 Million barrels

Approximate Percentages (Running Total %)
0. Domestic Production - 40% (40%)
1. Canada - 12.7% (52.7%)
2. Saudi Arabia - 9.9% (63.6%)
3. Mexico - 9.6% (73.2%)
4. Venezuela - 7.8% (81%)
5. Nigeria - 7.4% (88.4%)
6. Angola - 3.4% (91.8%)
7. Iraq - 3.3% (95.1%)
8. Algeria - 3.0% (98.1%)
9. Ecuador - 1.3% (99.4%)
10. Kuwait - 1.2% (100.6%)

Of course, the numbers are slightly off, (too high, especially the first, which is probably more like 38% or less when you account for additional sources of foreign crude, but essentially what the above means is that 60% of our Oil comes from North America, with an additional 8.6% coming from South America, and the Balance from Africa, and the Middle East.

Which is very roughly 20 - 25%.

While I do agree that the massive outflux of dollars is not good for our economy, I am less concerned with dollars which go to Mexico and Canada which are then returned to purchase Capital Goods, then the dollars that go to countries like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia where they are used to purchase giant stakes in our corporations, and thus tie our countries even closer to theirs.

Based on the stakes that some of the sovereign wealth funds from the Middle East have in our corporations I'm wary about what will happen should the U.S. Successfully roll over to a Hydrogen Economy. More than likely such a move will trigger a giant decline in the stock market as the Middle East sells their stakes in our companies to attempt to keep their countries afloat.

Though as the quantity of oil consumed domestically decreases the share that is produced and consumed here as a percentage is going to rise, because the overall pie is shrinking, leading to less imports from other countries.

As far as Mexico's and Saudi Arabia's swapping positions that may be reversed, as I think I read a news article stating that Mexico had authorized their oil company to hire outside corporations to help them develop a field.

Then there's Brazil with its giant elephant that may also emerge as a larger exporter (it's actually 11th in size of exports to the United States).

I can agree with the need to have more alternatives to oil, but I think that we just need more alternatives. Let people who want to drive Mustangs drive Mustangs, and people who want to drive Ugly Cars like the Honda Fit drive that. Though you can rest assured that if Ford produced a Hydrogen Fueled Mustang that matched the current performance of its vehicle that's the vehicle I would want.

With regards to PHEVs and EVs, I fail to see how those are the solution, because all they do is move the pollution from Point A (The Tailpipe) to Point B (A Smoke Stack.)

Hardly a long term viable solution.
 

Doctor Pot

Well-Known Member
Interesting... Iraq is pretty high on the list.

I can agree with the need to have more alternatives to oil, but I think that we just need more alternatives. Let people who want to drive Mustangs drive Mustangs, and people who want to drive Ugly Cars like the Honda Fit drive that. Though you can rest assured that if Ford produced a Hydrogen Fueled Mustang that matched the current performance of its vehicle that's the vehicle I would want.

With regards to PHEVs and EVs, I fail to see how those are the solution, because all they do is move the pollution from Point A (The Tailpipe) to Point B (A Smoke Stack.)

Hardly a long term viable solution.
It's actually quite a plausible solution. We can generate electricity from any number of sources, including wind, hydro, solar, nuclear, etc. None of these produce any real emissions.
 

FLoJo

Well-Known Member
has anyone heard of the magnetic engergy generators.. using magnetic fields you can make perpetual motion, and some austraillian guys made a generator thats output exceeds its imput 5x and it is run soley by magnets.. i am in the process of trying to build a small scale model which should be interesting
 

Doctor Pot

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has anyone heard of the magnetic engergy generators.. using magnetic fields you can make perpetual motion, and some austraillian guys made a generator thats output exceeds its imput 5x and it is run soley by magnets.. i am in the process of trying to build a small scale model which should be interesting
Ooh, it runs on MAGNETS! Must be pretty high tech!

There's no such thing as magnetic energy, only electromagnetic energy. And you're wasting your time. The energy has to come from somewhere.
 

FLoJo

Well-Known Member
ok dr. know it all excuse me, they are electromagnetic generators and not only does he have patents and prototypes, but the japaneese gov actually released documents with similar technology stated in them and they are called n machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M

must not exist because dr pot says so!
 

Doctor Pot

Well-Known Member
ok dr. know it all excuse me, they are electromagnetic generators and not only does he have patents and prototypes, but the japaneese gov actually released documents with similar technology stated in them and they are called n machines.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efCelx7qe_M

must not exist because dr pot says so!
You believe everything on TV? This has "scam" written all over it. They've been saying they're almost ready to release their product since 2001, and for some strange reason they have yet to do so. Oh, and here's the kicker, they're recruiting individual investors to invest money to help them build a manufacturing facility, with a poorly written "open letter" and a request for "sophisticated investors only".

On their website, they say they're just about to release their invention to the public, over two years ago:
http://www.lutec.com.au/

If you look at the "How it works" section:
http://www.lutec.com.au/how.htm

It doesn't make any sense. It describes how a DC motor works, then how an AC generator works, then claims the one powers the other without any description of how the second could possibly generate more energy than the first. It's all written to confuse non-technical people who have no understanding of electricity or magnetism. It's supposed to make you think "Gee, those guys sound smart" and then give them your money.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
You can slice it any ways you want to but the bottom line is the United States imports about 66% of it oil needs. This is arse backwards and needs to be dealt with pronto....



out. :blsmoke:
 

medicineman

New Member
Though you can rest assured that if Ford produced a Hydrogen Fueled Mustang that matched the current performance of its vehicle that's the vehicle I would want.
Now I understand, you're a Ford guy, No wonder we're so opposite.
 

medicineman

New Member
Why should we pay for all the old fucks, it would be much more equitable to let people save up for their own needs in the future. Instead of trying to cater to the stupidity of some, the government should make sure that everyone has all the knowledge they need to prepare for the world, and then get the hell out of the way.

Besides, I'm already have to worry about my parents, it is not fair that I have to worry about other people's parents, too. Or idiots that didn't imbue a sense of familial duty into their children, or people that did not have kids, and thus are leaches.
You are one warped SOB brutal. If we ran the country your way, there would be bodies lying all over the streets, starving children, disease ridden neighborhoods. Have you ever looked into the word "selfish"? It describes you to a tee.
1: concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
2: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others <a selfish act
You are a product of the me generation and I have little respect for you, or all your kind.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Medicine man .. stop the spray and prey tactics, they are unbecoming. They are also highly inaccurate. :peace:





out. :blsmoke:
 

medicineman

New Member
Medicine man .. stop the spray and prey tactics, they are unbecoming. They are also highly inaccurate. :peace:





out. :blsmoke:
Aha, the word Selfish got to you eh? I'm pretty sure you fit the description, Most righties do. Spray and prey, Oh you mean like the wolf, Spray my territory and prey on hapless righties, yeah I guess you could sum it up that way. Do you feel abused yet? BTW, I'm not looking for "Becoming" on a political site.
 

Doctor Pot

Well-Known Member
I guess the guy offers another explanation of his device here:

http://www.rexresearch.com/christie/christie.htm

But he confuses force and energy in a major way. Easy for a non-technical person to confuse the two, but inexcusable for a so-called inventor. Then he gives a formula that essentially invalidates his invention if you know what it means. This is all a huge scam.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
You are one warped SOB brutal. If we ran the country your way, there would be bodies lying all over the streets, starving children, disease ridden neighborhoods. Have you ever looked into the word "selfish"? It describes you to a tee.
1: concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
2: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others <a selfish act
You are a product of the me generation and I have little respect for you, or all your kind.
I disagree, as usual you are taking a stereotype and applying it with out thinking it through. I'd say that people like you who insist on using people like me as slaves are selfish. Not to mention self-centered, asinine, and most of all too damn self-righteous to admit to being self-centered and selfish.

Though for the record, if you had any reading comprehension perhaps you would have noticed that I said I already have to look after my parents, and that is where my responsibility should end.

Though, speaking of your granddaughters, I suppose I should take some satisfaction knowing that in the end they are going to end up slaving for me in my retirement just as my generation is stuck slaving for you.

Of course, since you are the truly self-centered one you have no problem with that. I don't think that that's right, I should be responsible for providing for myself in retirement, and frankly, I could do a much better job of that with out the government trying to "help" me.
 

Doctor Pot

Well-Known Member
TBT - say someone gets in a car accident and is injured and spends all their savings on medical bills and then can't work anymore. And let's also assume this person has no family. What then?
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
TBT - say someone gets in a car accident and is injured and spends all their savings on medical bills and then can't work anymore. And let's also assume this person has no family. What then?
Life is a bitch, and hopefully they were intelligent enough to have life or disability insurance of their own.

Though if they spent all their savings on medical bills then I find it highly unlikely that they would still be unable to work. They may possibly be in debt up to their eyeballs, but if they really had the amount of surgery I think you are thinking of then, the fact that they are unable to work, would more than likely they are unwilling to work.

There are jobs that do not require much physical effort.

Of course, with the distortion in the markets caused by government interference no one can actually afford to be self-sufficient. The only thing the welfare state has caused is an every accelerating spiral of costs related to insurance and medical care.

Minimum wage, which raises costs, and also increases demand leading to an increase in prices from a change in the supply/demand equilibrium is ultimately self-defeating.

Instead of controlling wages, the government should be trying to control costs. The only way to do that however is to do away with the fiat currencies and replace them with a commodity backed currency. Perhaps Hemp could be legalized as used to back such a currency...
 

medicineman

New Member
I disagree, as usual you are taking a stereotype and applying it with out thinking it through. I'd say that people like you who insist on using people like me as slaves are selfish. Not to mention self-centered, asinine, and most of all too damn self-righteous to admit to being self-centered and selfish.

Though for the record, if you had any reading comprehension perhaps you would have noticed that I said I already have to look after my parents, and that is where my responsibility should end.

Though, speaking of your granddaughters, I suppose I should take some satisfaction knowing that in the end they are going to end up slaving for me in my retirement just as my generation is stuck slaving for you.

Of course, since you are the truly self-centered one you have no problem with that. I don't think that that's right, I should be responsible for providing for myself in retirement, and frankly, I could do a much better job of that with out the government trying to "help" me.
There is that selfish thing again: here re-read it.
1: concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
2: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others <a selfish act>

I assume you read english and if this doesn't describe what you are contending then maybe I can find it in another language. BTW FYI I paid into SS for 50+ years, My pension I earned by working for a union shop, So no, I don't feel like I'm relying on you for one fucking red cent. It's not my fault the central government took all the SS money and gave it up for pork. Maybe they need a "bailout" for SS, but that is not my problem. I worked and payed my share. If you want SS, then maybe you should get busy fixing government, if not, quit bitching. you're starting to sound like ViRedd.
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
There is that selfish thing again: here re-read it.
1: concerned excessively or exclusively with oneself : seeking or concentrating on one's own advantage, pleasure, or well-being without regard for others
2: arising from concern with one's own welfare or advantage in disregard of others <a selfish act>

I assume you read english and if this doesn't describe what you are contending then maybe I can find it in another language. BTW FYI I paid into SS for 50+ years, My pension I earned by working for a union shop, So no, I don't feel like I'm relying on you for one fucking red cent. It's not my fault the central government took all the SS money and gave it up for pork. Maybe they need a "bailout" for SS, but that is not my problem. I worked and payed my share. If you want SS, then maybe you should get busy fixing government, if not, quit bitching. you're starting to sound like ViRedd.
Yes, you paid your share, and the government screwed you over, and in order to make good its lies it is now screwing over me.

Why aren't you advocating more for the government to fix the screwed up system?
 
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