giving defoliation during flower a try

Aeroknow said:

This thread IS/WAS about defoliation, but people continue to associate lollipoping with defoliating(UB).

Last thing: Even though I have panda film draped all over my walls in my rooms from floor to ceiling, I see what AP is saying about reflection down low. It's fucking dark down there, so what the fuck is reflection going to do down there! Jesus Fucking Christ! Is a reflective wall covering going to somehow transfer light down underneath a plant canopy, and then amplify it or something? Lol, personally, I'm looking for reflection off the walls in between the light and plant canopy

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A grow room with reflective walls is a brighter, more productive grow room. There is no arguing against that. Where that production comes from is up to the grower and how they grow their plants. The irony here is that guy wont hang reflective material but will yank 'shaded' leaves down low for 'more productive plants'. Given that this thread is about defoliation, I'm going to point out that his efforts are backwards and misguided.

I propose a test:

1) Yank leaves with no reflective material on the walls. Trim, prune, train as usual.

2) Hang reflective material, leave the majority of the lower leaves alone (I do yank a few down low for IPM). Trim, prune, train as usual.

Which scenario is going to be more productive? That is my point.

I don't understand why people defoliate. I know it works in some cases and doesn't in others. I've always just taken a pair of scissors and trimmed the largest fan leaves that were in the way. You don't have to pull the whole thing off the plant. I feel like this method will never be proven as a standard because of the many variable involved. Just my two sense.

Aeroknow said:

Now listen up guy,
First of all, I think people are blending the stupid ass shit you say with things he is saying because of your screen name.
@AlphaPhase grows some serious cronic. I know this because he is my neighbor here in NorCal. I off his weed! Don't worry about how many or how big his lights are. Currently 4k in flower but the guy did practically just move into his current place, tweaking shit as he is going/growing. Gotta do what ya gotta do.
I think he's been growing with bigboy lights for something like 15 yrs.
I've been growing for more than 20(sick of saying it here). I lollipop if need be. So fucking what I currently have more than 20 lights. I gaurantee you the only lights I have in tents are for veg.

This thread IS/WAS about defoliation, but people continue to associate lollipoping with defoliating(UB).

Last thing: Even though I have panda film draped all over my walls in my rooms from floor to ceiling, I see what AP is saying about reflection down low. It's fucking dark down there, so what the fuck is reflection going to do down there! Jesus Fucking Christ! Is a reflective wall covering going to somehow transfer light down underneath a plant canopy, and then amplify it or something? Lol, personally, I'm looking for reflection off the walls in between the light and plant canopy

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As I said, "guy", in my post "Talking about defoliating is talking about light penetration."

You don't even care of reading all my post because you say "This thread IS/WAS about defoliation, but people continue to associate lollipoping with defoliating(UB)."

Now I said to Alphaphase NOT to you : "I don't know how is your set-up", don't know if you grow in a shoe box or in a warehouse and I think Alphaphse is a man grown enough to reply for himself without any help.

Last thing: I don't care about the size and style of your grow-op anymore, your tone debating is annoying and impolite, maybe you are trying to say something interesting but your words come with a lot of lack of respect.

If I want advice on gay stuff like "defoliating or lolipoping" there is a pile of folks in Spanish forums (Spain and Central - South America) talking the same shit about "advanced fertilizers and additives" not different at all than USA forums mood . I really created this account in RIU is because Uncle Ben and other oldschool growers made me see the whole growing thing in a totally different approach that helped me out a lot.
I'm sorry that your lack of courtesy and rudeness makes you seem a person who don't accept any debate or any different opinion than yours. So why waste our time talking if we all already know everything?

I don't pluck any fan leaves up in the plants canopy(defoliation). I personally think it's a dumb idea. But some people think pruning the crap down low is stupid. Different strokes for different folks i guess. What the fuck ever!

I don't lollipop shorter plants, like those in most of my traditional hydro setups. No need to. Most of the whole plant is up in the productive part of the artificial lighting being used. I did some experimenting with bigger plants on my own, a little bit before I heard it coined"lollipoping" on overgrow. I continue to "lollipop" to this day, in certain circumstances.

Alpha Grower said:

As I said, "guy", in my post "Talking about defoliating is talking about light penetration."

You don't even care of reading all my post because you say "This thread IS/WAS about defoliation, but people continue to associate lollipoping with defoliating(UB)."

Now I said to Alphaphase NOT to you : "I don't know how is your set-up", don't know if you grow in a shoe box or in a warehouse and I think Alphaphse is a man grown enough to reply for himself without any help.

Last thing: I don't care about the size and style of your grow-op anymore, your tone debating is annoying and impolite, maybe you are trying to say something interesting but your words come with a lot of lack of respect.

If I want advice on gay stuff like "defoliating or lolipoping" there is a pile of folks in Spanish forums talking the same shit about "advanced fertilizers and additives" not different at all than USA forums mood (Spain and Central - South America).

I'm sorry that your lack of courtesy and rudeness makes you seem a person who don't accept any debate or any different opinion than yours. So why waste our time talking if we all already know everything?



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Okay fuck all that "gay stuff" rite? Lolol
back to posting memes and gifs

homebrewer said:

A grow room with reflective walls is a brighter, more productive grow room. There is no arguing against that. Where that production comes from is up to the grower and how they grow their plants. The irony here is that guy wont hang reflective material but will yank 'shaded' leaves down low for 'more productive plants'. Given that this thread is about defoliation, I'm going to point out that his efforts are backwards and misguided.

I propose a test:

1) Yank leaves with no reflective material on the walls. Trim, prune, train as usual.

2) Hang reflective material, leave the majority of the lower leaves alone (I do yank a few down low for IPM). Trim, prune, train as usual.

Which scenario is going to be more productive? That is my point.

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To put it in the simplest way possible, reflective walls are only going to be beneficial for the top part of the canopy closest to the wall. Period. Maybe a few extra grams? Not worth the effort for me, because I respect home owners homes that I rent and keep them as they were when I moved in. So would I hang plastic on the walls for an extra few grams a month? No. . Mylar walls will not direct the light under a thick canopy as I proved. You can do a test if you want, but I already know, a lollipopped plant with no reflection will yield very close to the same as a non lollipopped plant with reflection. You realize that unless you're growing in a closet with 4 walls, that you'll only have 1 wall for reflection? Since a light hood (most of the standard hoods) are made for a 4x4 canopy? So if you have your light set up proper, the bulb is 2' on center from the wall. That means by the time the light reaches the wall, it's the weakest light. Then the weakest light has to then reflect back to the plants, which it really doesn't that much unless the room is small like a closet. So there is no reason to have reflective walls in a 12x22' room, for the reason of hoping to get light under the canopy, when growing a real canopy. Reflect to the tops? A little bit. Reflect to benefit the lowers? Not a chance.

Only Day 11. 14 more days of stretch. This will yield 1.1+gpw with only a 4 week veg time. No larf. With supposedly a low to medium yield plant.



So like I said, I'd rather have 5lbs of tops than 5lbs that includes larf and small buds that takes 8hrs to trim a lb. No thank you.

Personally I think lolipoping and slight defoliation done over time before flowering and sometimes 1-2 weeks into flower is the only way to go. I once agreed with the motto "the leaves are all there for a reason". However I believe that to be true when were talking outdoors, indoors your lights cant compare the the amount of penetration the sun accomplishes. The plant doesn't know its indoors. All that popcorn bud wastes energy, all those giant shaded leaves use more energy to stay alive than they provide to the plant.

eazyelovesme said:

I've always just taken a pair of scissors and trimmed the largest fan leaves that were in the way.

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That is the wrong thing to do, they are not "in the way" of anything, you trim a few smaller leaves for better airflow and to reduce the chance of stagnant air around the leaves.

The only time I'll trim the upper canopy leaves in 1/2, or just a finger of the leaf, whatever I need to do, is when indica leaves that are really huge are overlapping and I can't tuck them. They always transpire leaving puddles on water on the leaf if I leave them heavily overlapped which isn't good for the plant. I can only add so much airflow before it starts negatively affecting the plant, so only in certain circumstances I'll trim a part of the leaf. Pretty much why I hate growing indicas anymore.. I used to like the short flower times and the shorter plants, but now I like a big stretch and having the bud more spaced out, much easier to grow with less issues.

budman111 said:

That is the wrong thing to do, they are not "in the way" of anything, you trim a few smaller leaves for better airflow and to reduce the chance of stagnant air around the leaves.

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I appreciate and respect what you said. So if a huge fan leaf is covering the top of a bud site it's ok? Not being a smart ass. I rather not trim anything but finished nugs p.s. I lollipops plants after the flowering stretch and they get plenty of airflow. It's those old big ass fan leaves that are a problem for me.

eazyelovesme said:

I appreciate and respect what you said. So if a huge fan leaf is covering the top of a bud site it's ok? Not being a smart ass. I rather not trim anything but finished nugs p.s. I lollipops plants after the flowering stretch and they get plenty of airflow. It's those old big ass fan leaves that are a problem for me.

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I wouldn't trim them unless you're getting moisture problems. Those big upper leaves are what is feeding your plant

I know I joined late but I like butting into conversations. It's a habit I got from my mom.
The energy leaf feeding thing comes off as a misconception to me. Leaves don't feed your plant they convert. They don't store it either. Xylem brings the nutrients up from the roots. It's in a form the plant can't use. Goes to leaves to get turned into sugar something plants can use. 6CO2 + 6H2O --Sunlight energy--> C6H12O6 + 6O2. Then the phloem moves the sugar and carbs to be stored in the cortex and the roots for later use.
Yes they need leaves to transpire but it's not for making energy the energy comes from light and enters chloroplasts to convert. But anything green has chlorophyll. I will say that with no leaves it will die. It requires some how many I don't know. But the bud leaves can photosynthesize, not efficiently but well enough supplementelly, so that stored carbs and sugars would require being used.
It's not damaging to the plant, unless a total removal, but does it really do what it is claimed? Idk I've never seen a true scientific method used to study it. It's all anecdotal. But if I was to hypnotize. I'd say it would benefit veg because of a necessity to continue to grow faster to make up new leaves to survive but in flower I can't understand why you'd want to reduce its rate of sugar production. I've tried it on tomatoes in veg and that shit grew so fast. It grew to like 10 feet in like 3 months. But no effect on how many tomatoes or size I got. I did it on my tomatoes bc if it fucked it up I'm not losing anything important.

eazyelovesme said:

I appreciate and respect what you said. So if a huge fan leaf is covering the top of a bud site it's ok? Not being a smart ass. I rather not trim anything but finished nugs p.s. I lollipops plants after the flowering stretch and they get plenty of airflow. It's those old big ass fan leaves that are a problem for me.

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Huge fan leafs are the best to keep, think solar panels,the bigger the solar panel = more energy gained by the leaf.

Just got in the flower room to lollipop. Annnnndddd the lower leaves have already started getting yellow and necrotic. And the lower branches literally had 2 hairs on each bud site. Right on track, about 2-3 weeks from flip is when it happens due to low light. And only due to low light. Period.

Looks like trolly is hungry

Nope, no one trolling except you. I'm just pointing out facts. Not nursery rhymes. Not bs info. Just facts. That you can't seem to comprehend or even begin to have a real rebuttal about because you just don't know what makes a plant tick

I also did not lollipop a few plants so I can show exactly what happens. When the time comes. Unlike you, not showing one bit of anything useful. Well, other than the good nutrient threads. But since then, nothing. Just you trolling and dick riding you're crew and providing misinformation about irrelevant outdated science.

Oh, here's another bit of SCIENCE for ya. Pretty easy to read, even for newbs.


And a complete defoliation and lollipop. Not sure what the science is here but whatever. This one's just to piss you off for trolling and hurt your feelings that people grow better plants with no leaves than you do with all your leaves.



Gnite trolly troll

I worked in apple orchards for years. We prune the trees every spring, not to get more apples but to get bigger and better apples. Who would ever "think" that cutting off all those suckers that are loaded with "food producing leaves" would result in better apples.

When I see that one of the beds need thinning out a bit It all just comes naturally for me. But at the same time I wouldn't trust a gringo(a nubee) to get it done properly.

bird mcbride said:

I worked in apple orchards for years. We prune the trees every spring, not to get more apples but to get bigger and better apples. Who would ever "think" that cutting off all those suckers that are loaded with "food producing leaves" would result in better apples.

When I see that one of the beds need thinning out a bit It all just comes naturally for me. But at the same time I wouldn't trust a gringo(a nubee) to get it done properly.

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Try to tell that to the jerk circle clan. They are the type of people that ignore facts and science because their higher power told them his facts and science is the only truth. Kind of like those cults that said the world would end in the year 2000, but it didn't then it would end in 2010..and it didn't. Then they regroup to ponder what's going on and how to keep their cult followers believing them. Rather sad, well not really sad, it's comedy

bird mcbride said:

I worked in apple orchards for years. We prune the trees every spring, not to get more apples but to get bigger and better apples. Who would ever "think" that cutting off all those suckers that are loaded with "food producing leaves" would result in better apples.

When I see that one of the beds need thinning out a bit It all just comes naturally for me. But at the same time I wouldn't trust a gringo(a nubee) to get it done properly.

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Gringo? A nubee?
You mean a chichaco, don't you?
Our 1/2 malamute, 1/2 german shepard puppy came to us named that when I was a kid.