giving defoliation during flower a try

jacksthc · Nov 22, 2015

Uncle Ben said:
There is NEVER, and never has been, one post in all of the dozens of RIU defoliation threads (primarily posted by noobs) touting "the benefits of butchering a plant" that discusses the botanical implications and the direct cause-effect relationship.

Just a lot of hooey.......buds need light to fatten up, defoliation allows more air and light into the canopy, the practice fattens up the lower buds, etc.

I HAVE explained and countered with botanical fact why these herd mentality postulations are incorrect. It's a feel-good thing for ya'll.

The Main-Lining Thread breaks most your rules fellow,

1. removing fan leaves,
2.very few leaves mainly long cola's,
3 light deep into the canopy
4.very high yeild

So you think mainline don't work or you don't know what you are talking about mate

fan leaves are for vertcal growth, stores food/water ect, the plant grows bud leaves that help buds to growin flower

too many fan leaves increase humidty in the flower room and use up the the food and light reducing bud growth in late flower

Uncle Ben · Nov 23, 2015

"Mainlining"? Who in the hell in the real world of conventional gardening does "mainlining"? Certainly not my professional colleagues, farmers, orchard managers. Only MJ nerds do such crap, just like the SCROG slaves, the flushing nerds who think a plant is a radiator that can be flushed.....

You need to read my first link and get educated. I've discussed all the stuff you presented in that thread and others pointing out such fallacies like "bud leaves" produce bud. They don't produce squat compared to the large photon collectors of fan leaves. "Humidity"....there's a parrot born every day in this place.

I bet you also find value in "cannabis specific" plant foods, eh?

homebrewer · Nov 23, 2015

TheChemist77 said:
fan leaves are for vertcal growth, stores food/water ect, the plant grows bud leaves that help buds to growin flower

too many fan leaves increase humidty in the flower room and use up the the food and light reducing bud growth in late flower

I find it funny that your hobby is gardening yet you haven't a clue about the role of leaves, energy production, and photosynthesis.

Uncle Ben · Nov 23, 2015

Sheesh, now I'm getting the threads mixed up thanks to a newbie double posting to 2 defol threads. :wall:

...... Having said that, there's a dozen of these silly defoliation threads, lollipopping threads. All you need to do is a search.

I see where another new crop of "New member" says it works. Anything "works" if you just leave the plant alone and let the leaves drive bud production.

Here's just a few:

I discussed the botanical side of what drives bud production, apical dominance for example:

https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/

https://www.rollitup.org/t/lollipopping-any-scientific-evidence.846126/page-22

WHODAT@THADOR · Nov 23, 2015

Yet again I find it hilarious that motherfuckers don't listen to cats that know EXACTLY what there talking about.

chuck estevez · Nov 23, 2015

WHODAT@THADOR said:
Yet again I find it hilarious that motherfuckers don't listen to cats that know EXACTLY what there talking about.

After you grow 1 plant, you are now an expert and anyone who grew before you is using old outdated techniques.

mattisreal420 · Nov 23, 2015

mattisreal420 · Nov 23, 2015

Uncle Ben said:
"Mainlining"? Who in the hell in the real world of conventional gardening does "mainlining"? Certainly not my professional colleagues, farmers, orchard managers. Only MJ nerds do such crap, just like the SCROG slaves, the flushing nerds who think a plant is a radiator that can be flushed.....

You need to read my first link and get educated. I've discussed all the stuff you presented in that thread and others pointing out such fallacies like "bud leaves" produce bud. They don't produce squat compared to the large photon collectors of fan leaves. "Humidity"....there's a parrot born every day in this place.

I bet you also find value in "cannabis specific" plant foods, eh?

Totally agree!

warren kirk · Nov 23, 2015

WHODAT@THADOR said:
Yet again I find it hilarious that motherfuckers don't listen to cats that know EXACTLY what there talking about.

My thoughts exactly! I didn't say anything bout fan leaves, I don't strip the plant, Oh, by the way, Fan leaves' are solar collectors', For U Rednecks out there, that's Engery! Were not here to see who has the biggest "Dick", We all doin the same thing, Get errrrrrr Done! Right. 2mean420

warren kirk · Nov 23, 2015

mattisreal420 said:

AND??????

unwine99 · Nov 23, 2015

How soon we've forgotten how taco leaf guy changed the game for everyone:

AlphaPhase · Nov 23, 2015

The mainlining thing is kind of cool I guess. I've only did it once to a plant in veg but I ended up giving it away. What I noticed was the plant was 6" tall but was growing into a bonsai bush. I could actually see this technique being used for indoor closet growers for sure. It's a sure fire way to get the plant bushy with many tops but keep it no taller than a foot or two. This was my attempt at it for the first time (7 day growth I think, not positive it's in one of my journals). It was actually pretty cool fwiw

jacksthc · Nov 23, 2015

Uncle Ben said:
"Mainlining"? Who in the hell in the real world of conventional gardening does "mainlining"? Certainly not my professional colleagues, farmers, orchard managers. Only MJ nerds do such crap, just like the SCROG slaves, the flushing nerds who think a plant is a radiator that can be flushed.....

You need to read my first link and get educated. I've discussed all the stuff you presented in that thread and others pointing out such fallacies like "bud leaves" produce bud. They don't produce squat compared to the large photon collectors of fan leaves. "Humidity"....there's a parrot born every day in this place.

I bet you also find value in "cannabis specific" plant foods, eh?

why do i need to get myself educated, my advice is for the small growers with 1 or 2 lights growing some meds to help them have a better live.( topping, scrog, mainline ect to gain a little more bud)
and whats wrong with you taking care of you plants and getting the best out of your small grow ?

sounds like you here to help large drug dealers and commercial growers ( don't think they need your help or mine)

large bushy plant may grow really well in a large room with 10 x 1 kw hps lights over them

someone with a wardrobe would do well with a scrog and half the fan leaves trimmed off to keep the humidty low

Sativied · Nov 23, 2015

Or you can simply top and waste less time:

Or just bend it over and tie down the terminal and waste no time at all:

Only thing mainlining - which really doesn't deserve to have a name - is good for is forum pictures.

AlphaPhase · Nov 23, 2015

Sativied said:
Or you can simply top and waste less time:
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Or just bend it over and tie down the terminal and waste no time at all:
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Only thing mainlining - which really doesn't deserve to have a name - is good for is forum pictures.

Yes, it exactly the same as tieing down the main terminal. Exactly. Lol. Only difference is you top (uncle Bens way) then tie them down. Not really sure why it's called mainline really, it is just early lst. But like I said, the early lst (mainline) keeps the plant WAYYYYYY shorter than regular topping. If I top my plants 30x in 3 weeks they will still be large, the "mainline" is just lst on a 2 week old plant. It's all the same, it works as seen in your and my pic

Sativied · Nov 23, 2015

Removing leaves early retards growing so yeah they will be shorter. It's not the same, the results are similar, the road to it is different. Mainlining is taking canopy control to a point where it gets silly. Fun for small hobby growers who like to mess around and play with there plants and post pretty pictures but it's not a practice any serious farmer should even consider (veg time = money). Just as defoliation.

AlphaPhase · Nov 23, 2015

I didn't realize mainlining included removing any leaves? I didn't remove any, hmm. Must be talking about something different.

AlphaPhase · Nov 23, 2015

Alot of the best growers do lst, though, that is one tool a lot of people use. And Scrogging, which is just the same as lst, minus tieing anything down, the net is the string, much much easier to control the canopy on large plants and create an evenly distributed canopy 8-)

very good tools!

AlphaPhase · Nov 23, 2015

There is absolutely no way to achieve this with 1 plant without a trellis and Scrogging. Simply beautiful for a closet grow, or when you have plant limits in med states

(not my pic)

jacksthc · Nov 23, 2015

Sativied said:
Removing leaves early retards growing so yeah they will be shorter. It's not the same, the results are similar, the road to it is different. Mainlining is taking canopy control to a point where it gets silly. Fun for small hobby growers who like to mess around and play with there plants and post pretty pictures but it's not a practice any serious farmer should even consider (veg time = money). Just as defoliation.

early stages of mainline you remove the fan leaves to keep the shoots growing at the same speed

giving defoliation during flower a try

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