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one could argue that if hitler ended up taking over the world terrorism against him and his supports would be justified
 
Big P said:
your nieve if you think america has not had people tortured since americans inception


if anything is has happend up until now.

just under cover
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Remind me again how that makes it right? They also used to keep slaves ya know...

CrackerJax said:
Actually terrorism has a very clear definition.

Calling it a different name only fools the .... fools.

Condoning terrorism means you have discarded the principles of a modern society.

Does terrorism occur? Most certainly. Condoning it empowers it however.
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When did I ever condone terrorism?
 
Big P said:
one could argue that if hitler ended up taking over the world terrorism against him and his supports would be justified
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No, terrorism is never justified.

Espionage, revolution - those would both be justified.
 
CrackerJax said:
I've talked with you before about the Middle east.... HAMAS is a terrorist organization. You condone it.

Tell me I'm wrong.
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You're wrong.

I've said dozens of times in the Iran thread how I CONDEMN HAMAS' ACTIONS, specifically using human shields and firing rockets into Israel.

But I also condemn Israeli terrorism, which you DON'T. - tell me I'm wrong.
 
Israel doesn't fit the definition of terrorism. They act in RESPONSE to terrorism ... something which seems to elude you.

No HAMAS terrorism.... no reaction from Israel....simple.... and true.
 
CrackerJax said:
Israel doesn't fit the definition of terrorism. They act in RESPONSE to terrorism ... something which seems to elude you.

No HAMAS terrorism.... no reaction from Israel....simple.... and true.
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Explain to me why there are so many dead civilians on the Palestinian side in all these conflicts then.

That's not terrorism? That's justified? Dead civilians.
 
PadawanBater said:
No, terrorism is never justified.

Espionage, revolution - those would both be justified.
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It's only revolution when the ones writing the history books were the terrorists. If the ones writing the history books are the victims of terroristic action the terrorists remain terrorists.

terrorism
The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda; Violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives; A psychological strategy of war for gaining political power.

I.E. Boston tea party?

the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

I.E. Founding Fathers Declaration of Independance?

Terrorism is always justified in the terrorists eyes. The conviction of a terrorists comes from their belief that their actions are justified. Real terrorist do not justify their actions because in their eyes the justification for their actions is obvious, and anyone who can't understand their conviction is the enemy. A true terrorist will always feel that they are on the right side of the fight.

I do not condone terroristic actions, and this is not a justification for said actions. However, to say that terrorism is never justified is perimount to saying that our founding fathers were wrong in their convictions.

A more accurate statement would be;
"one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". I've put my time in in the sand box, and several other places. I have no problem sending hot lead down range towards terrorist. I want to be clear, I don't condone the actions of Middle Eastern terrorist.
 
iivan740 said:
A more accurate statement would be;
"one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". I've put my time in in the sand box, and several other places. I have no problem sending hot lead down range towards terrorist. I want to be clear, I don't condone the actions of Middle Eastern terrorist.
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Just like you said. They don't consider themselves the terrorists. Just like American soldiers don't consider themselves terrorists. So in order to figure out which side is right and which side is wrong, I think the best way to do it would be to look at it in perspective. Don't let being an American cloud your judgment, you have to look at it completely unbiased.

They had a terrible dictator, hands down, Sadaam was a piece of shit, obsessed with power. He needed to go. But our involvement was questionable. The Iraqi PEOPLE should have handled the corruption within the Iraqi government. It was none of our business.

Now we're there, we've been occupying Iraq for almost 7 years. Civilian death toll = 95,158-103,819 (Iraq Body Count Project), 4,704 Coalition Dead, 31,716 Wounded, 36,106 Injured, Diseased or Other, 1,323 Contractors Killed, 10,569 Wounded

What have we gained?

What have the Iraqi people gained?



...but this thread is about the global warming conspiracy to steal our moniez... so back on topic I guess..
 
Iraq is now a major success story and liberals look foolish for having opposed it. And the only areas Obama is NOT fucking up, are the areas where Bush policies remain essentially in effect.
 
Illegal Smile said:
Iraq is now a major success story and liberals look foolish for having opposed it. And the only areas Obama is NOT fucking up, are the areas where Bush policies remain essentially in effect.
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You sir are delusional.

In no way is Iraq a success. Nobody educated on the Iraq war would make that assessment.
 
PadawanBater said:
You sir are delusional.

In no way is Iraq a success. Nobody educated on the Iraq war would make that assessment.
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Nobody educated by America's enemies like you with your terrorist avatar you mean. Under Saddam Iraq didn't even have electricity and clean water. Now it is exploding with shopping malls and restaurants and a thriving stock market. All symbols of the capitalism you hate, I know. But the clear fact is that Iraq is a huge success and had the regime change not been done, there would have been a nuclear exchange in the middle east by now. That's something you probably would have welcomed, and thus the source of your bitterness and disappointment.
 
Paddy.... Illegal is 100% accurate in that post of his.

It is becoming clearer every day that Bush did the right thing. The truth is starting to slip back into history....

I'm pretty good at spotting trends ( i get lots of practice at it investing), and ..... NATRONE (yells)...Write it down stoners.... BUSH will rise in popularity as the years pass.

He will become so popular that the school books will hardly mention him.
 
iivan740 said:
It's only revolution when the ones writing the history books were the terrorists. If the ones writing the history books are the victims of terroristic action the terrorists remain terrorists.

terrorism
The deliberate commission of an act of violence to create an emotional response through the suffering of the victims in the furtherance of a political or social agenda; Violence against civilians to achieve military or political objectives; A psychological strategy of war for gaining political power.

I.E. Boston tea party?

the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

I.E. Founding Fathers Declaration of Independance?

Terrorism is always justified in the terrorists eyes. The conviction of a terrorists comes from their belief that their actions are justified. Real terrorist do not justify their actions because in their eyes the justification for their actions is obvious, and anyone who can't understand their conviction is the enemy. A true terrorist will always feel that they are on the right side of the fight.

I do not condone terroristic actions, and this is not a justification for said actions. However, to say that terrorism is never justified is perimount to saying that our founding fathers were wrong in their convictions.

A more accurate statement would be;
"one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter". I've put my time in in the sand box, and several other places. I have no problem sending hot lead down range towards terrorist. I want to be clear, I don't condone the actions of Middle Eastern terrorist.
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nobody died in the boston tea party. it was action taken against a govt, not innocent civilians. terrorism? not even close.

declaration of independence was issued against the british govt. the revolutionary war was agaisnt the govt NOT innocent civilians. revolutionary soldiers didnt go to england and blow up NON warriors. terrorism? not even close.

nice try at rewriting history and redefining words.
 
That's a new one I haven't heard before.... Boston Tea terrorists....

I tortured some Tetley this morning!! I wasn't in uniform either!!

I'm the naked tea terrorist!!! FEAR ME!!!
 
CrackerJax said:
That's a new one I haven't heard before.... Boston Tea terrorists....

I tortured some Tetley this morning!! I wasn't in uniform either!!

I'm the naked tea terrorist!!! FEAR ME!!!
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i am about to terrorize a ferel cat in my neighborhood. fucker ripped my garbage out AGAIN. i think i will start by capturing its little children or kittens as some call them and pull their legs off with pliers. maybe that will make the fucker stop. or maybe it gets a 22 cal pellet to the gray matter....yes, thats it! fear me you feline fuckers....allah is great!:twisted:
 
LOL at iraq war being a success


keep eating those media lies, and dont forgot which country overthrew an elected government to put saddam into power mmkay?
 
jeff f said:
i am about to terrorize a ferel cat in my neighborhood. fucker ripped my garbage out AGAIN. i think i will start by capturing its little children or kittens as some call them and pull their legs off with pliers. maybe that will make the fucker stop. or maybe it gets a 22 cal pellet to the gray matter....yes, thats it! fear me you feline fuckers....allah is great!:twisted:
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i was up late last night. later than usual. we have a cat door on our front door. it has a clear flap on it and i face it while sitting on the couch on my comp. at about 3am last night i see my kitties face at the kitty door. he's kinda looking down so i can only see his eyes and eyes at first. looks just like my kitty. i say, "come in kitty'. he looks up and his chin is WHITE. wait a minute, that's not my kitty. i said "who are you?" he didn't answer. just stared at me for about a minute to see if i'd leave so he could come in, i'm assuming. i stared him out and he finally just turned and walked away.



we are out of cat food again. :-?
 
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