Harvest every 5 weeks about 3 pounds, hydro ebb & flow, 3 tent/chamber system.

Danke für die super ausführliche Antwort!!
I will post some pics of my current setup which is the ebb n flow table alone. Lights are on in 2h.

Right now i have a grow from seeds with Northern Lights, Critical and 2 bonus seeds Calini Asia.
I know some of the plant training techniques, as you will see in the pics^^.
I post a better chart of this project when i upload the pics, see you in 2h!

Chesspoker84 said:

First Tent: clones & mothers under T5 light or something like that. After clones are well rooted, maybe after 1 or 2 weeks veg.----->

Second tent: if necessary (depends on how many plants i will grow), one more week veg., than switch to flower.
Plants will stay in autopots or dwc in single pots (not like my first ideas in another ebb n flow), to make the final transfer less stressful (no root damage). After 4 weeks of 12/12----->

Ebb n flow system to give them the most powerfull light. They stay here until harvest for 4 to 5 more weeks.
Because it's a perpetual grow, just after i cleaned everything, next plants from tent 2 are ready.

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I still don't get it totally, but my thoughts:
Don't move your plants anymore when they are in flower.
Also don't change your watering system once your clones get roots. Roots come in different forms (thin like cotton candy to thick) and they have to adjust every time to a new system. Adjusting is stress and loosing time.

If you want to do some kind of perpetual, why don't you do something like this:

Tent 1:
Motherplant and hydro-cloner.
Lights on 24/0, on half the amount of ppfd what you will give them in your flower tent.
Cannabis is a C3 plant and can handle 24 hours per day lights on. C3 plants need no 'sleep' or darkness in the veg state.
With the lights on 24/0, your climate will also be stable. Less hassle.
Also with half the amount of ppfd but for 24 hours, you will give them the same amount f ppfd in flower of 12 hours full ppfd.
Use a bigger cloner, so your roots don't get entangled and your clones can grow bigger. You can keep them in there till they are ready to flip.
Also make sure that after you cut your clones, that they are a bit further away from the light, or use some kind of shade.
How long they can stay in this veg/clone tent, will depend on how many plants per M2 you want.
Less plants: they have to stay longer.
More plants: really short.

Tent 2
Flowertent
Transfer your clones/vegged plants in this tent and run them there for 9 weeks.

In week 5, 6, 7 you start cutting new clones. Timeslot depending on how many plants per M2 you want to grow.

This is an easy system and will not cause your plants a lot of stress. Also not a lot of work.

Keesje said:

Why?

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Maybe in a non-optimal LED setup where temperature is belowe 20°C then the extra heat from HPS is helping. But usually LED buds will be more dense, heavy and come at lower electricity cost.
But I agree, most GS's staff have no clue what they're talking baout and just wanna sell their stuff. HPS is good only because it's cheap to buy. But over here a 1k Wh = 1/3 € so it's best to safe electricity as best as can be.
I'm reading the Zeus board can have 219 lumens per watt emitted. That's good.
Pro-Emit boards come also around that number, just they emit from fewer sources sporting stronger 75W LEDs. I think if you're growing less but bigger plants, it will be more optimal to receive the light for them from a stronger, more penetrating source, whereas the ZEUS board or LED stripes DIY will be more effective for doing SOGs.

Keesje said:

I still don't get it totally, but my thoughts:
Don't move your plants anymore when they are in flower.
Also don't change your watering system once your clones get roots. Roots come in different forms (thin like cotton candy to thick) and they have to adjust every time to a new system. Adjusting is stress and loosing time.

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Yeah I second this. This is too much of a change.

Keesje said:

Tent 1:
Motherplant and hydro-cloner.
Lights on 24/0, on half the amount of ppfd what you will give them in your flower tent.
Cannabis is a C3 plant and can handle 24 hours per day lights on. C3 plants need no 'sleep' or darkness in the veg state.
With the lights on 24/0, your climate will also be stable. Less hassle.
Also with half the amount of ppfd but for 24 hours, you will give them the same amount f ppfd in flower of 12 hours full ppfd.
Use a bigger cloner, so your roots don't get entangled and your clones can grow bigger. You can keep them in there till they are ready to flip.
Also make sure that after you cut your clones, that they are a bit further away from the light, or use some kind of shade.
How long they can stay in this veg/clone tent, will depend on how many plants per M2 you want.
Less plants: they have to stay longer.
More plants: really short.

Tent 2
Flowertent
Transfer your clones/vegged plants in this tent and run them there for 9 weeks.

In week 5, 6, 7 you start cutting new clones. Timeslot depending on how many plants per M2 you want to grow.

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Yes this is a good and easy system (keep things easy is always better) and you basically can swiften up or delay what's happening in the vegroom by adjusting the lightcycle. Less lighthours if you, e.g. need another week for your flowertent etc.
Think a bit more on the flexibility of your system.

Yeah, i see now the problems. I think i liked "my" idea a bit too much, because it was quite unique and it was, as said, my own idea.
Don't like in general to copy things, i more like to be creative and try new stuff.

But in this case it could be a too risky thing to do, cause it may cost a lot of money!

Kassiopeija said:

But usually LED buds will be more dense, heavy and come at lower electricity cost.

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Low electricity I agree, But more dense and heavy buds... I would not know why this would be. HPS light is still better for plants, because it's spectrum is far wider then that of led. So quality wise HPS is still better for plants. To get the same plant-specific spectrum with leds, you need colours that are still very expensive.

Kassiopeija said:

I'm reading the Zeus board can have 219 lumens per watt emitted. That's good.

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Don't compare led lamps on the number of Lumen. Better compare in PPFD. That is a more realistic approach

Kassiopeija said:

I think if you're growing less but bigger plants, it will be more optimal to receive the light for them from a stronger, more penetrating source, whereas the ZEUS board or LED stripes DIY will be more effective for doing SOGs.

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'Better penetrating' is often misunderstood. People think that a stronger lamp can penetrate deeper in your foliage, because somehow the lamp will penetrate the upper leaves and reach the leaves beneath it. But that is not true.
Penetration comes from more rays of light sneaking under leaves and thus reaching the leaves beneath the upper leaves.
So with more light sources spread over the surface you will always get a better penetration. Doesn't matter if you grow 1, 16, 25 or 100 plants per 4 x 4.
Led strips are better for this.

Here is my new chart: also i like to get a big cloner for the next grow. Have to think about a nice lamp.
Should be about 400-500 watts, right now a good quantum board might be a choice. "Light" DIY like plug n play^^ is okay, but i won't do a full DIY.

Here are some pics of the current grow, i run PH 5,5 to 6,0, mostly 5,8. EC was quite high last days, to "test" the plants. Was EC 1,80 (1,60 nutes + 0,20 water), is back to 1,60.
Training was also done, first time defoliation for me!
And i improved the nutriculture sytem to get a better controll for the pump system.

Tell me a few things:

- What is the total space you have available? For mother, clone, veg, flower, curing, everything.
- What is the amount of Watts you want to use?
- What is the total amount of Watts you could use? (looked at it from a technical point of view)
- Are there any restrictions in the number of plants?
- How many different strains you want to run at the same time?

You seem to be a bit like a pinball machine... going in different directions all the time.
If you want to grow a continuous quality you have to become organized and analytical.

Yes, my "pinnball machine" behaviour is because i want to improve my system and harvest more. And i think i have too many ideas atm.

I'm very satisfied with my current setup right now, so it will stay as the "heart" of the hole setup.
I also like my current idea (tomorrow maybe not anymore^^) because i can also grow some finest quality buds.

Here are pic of my hole room:





As you see, there is not that much space anymore.
The tent is for all 18/6 or 24/0 "things" and should be big enough for it. I dont think i will like to have a lot of mothers, just the 3 or 4 finest strains, because i can take clones from veg. plants or even from flowering plants.

Drying area is right now a problem, but i think i will built something in my bedroom, also because of the lower temperatures there. Curing will take place in big glasses with those 62% pads (forgot the name, but i love them)

Right now i use about 1600 watts when everything is working (includes the veg, tent which is empty atm.)
I like to use not more than 2100 watts for the next months, but over 5000 watts are theoretical possible.

Here in Germany the restriction is the following: zero plants^^

I want to use my current ebb n flow for 1 to 3 strains with very similar characteristics.
And, as said before, i want to grow additional strains, maybe 3 or 4 more, in another system.

1x1 m up to 1,2x1,2 m is the place i have for this, which should be okay for an additional lamp.
I can even get a bit more space, when i put the hole stuff like nutes, etc. somewhere else.

and ones again: thank you very much! I feel a bit bad, because i get a lot of help here and i did not helped (maybe a bit with the hole thread) other growers. On grasscity i helped quite a lot of ppl., thing i will do it also here, when my plan is set in stones.

Different strains is nice... when you have different tents.
But putting different strains in 1 tent, can cause problems.
Every strain needs a different nutrient or water regime. One strain will over shadow the other strain. Some will be ready in 8 weeks, others in 10.
Headaches, headaches, headaches.

Cutting clones from plants in vegging is a good idea.
But IMO only when at some point in the past you had all the vegging plants from 1 motherplants. Otherwise you will keep on growing different phenotypes.

I can not imagine your space from your pics and also I read no sizes anywhere, so I don't have suggestions on that.
A small advice: If you want answers from members on this forum, give them information that is relevant. Sizes, time schedules.
Now your questions look more like a riddle.
Nobody wlll look at the pics of your notes how you want to build your set up.
People here are willing to help, but you make it - IMHO - to hard for them to find the information.

Good luck with your grow!

Room is 3,6m × 2,5m, which is 9 m². 1,6x2,5 is for the hole ebb n flow which, as said, i like to use for at least one more year.
So there is 2m×2,5m=5m² left. 1m² for the veg. tent and about 2m² for free space and stuff (which can be placed somewhere else).

So i have about 2m², maybe slighly more, left.
Which is perfectly fine for a singe big quantum board and about 1,3mx1,3m for plants.

Strains in ebb n flow will have very similar characteristics, big yielder, fast flower.
The other system, might be even aeroponic because i like to learn new things, will also have similar strains.
I like to grow strong US strains like Gorilla Glue there.