Heisenbeans Genetics

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quiescent

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There’s talk that sour diesel is a cross
Of these two plants that happened in nyc accidentally
I know genetics express themselves in odd ways. I know both of the "parent" strains well and have been growing the ecsd for quite a while.

I gotta say that it's not how I see the origin story going in my head. Ecsd is so stretchy and yields way too well to be the product of those strains imo. It could be those two mixed up with something else for sure though. 2+2=5 every once in a while so anything's possible.
 

rollinfunk

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There’s talk that sour diesel is a cross
Of these two plants that happened in nyc accidentally
So here are the details about Headband and Sour D. All this was taken from here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfteUnoH_MI/

Headband - I think it has a few different names
kloppglass = the weasel
(stop and listen ) the chem 91 was crossed into a Northern lights this is my first cross from that I took 100 seeds labeled them one through 100 the first one the one the underdog I referred to the seeds as chemlights

kloppglass
Later I took one of the male chemlights and crossed into superskunk the sourDiesel was born out of a half pounds of weed with seeds to Vondo kept Some of the seeds for myself grew them out Vondo handed me a cut back I grew this along side of the seeds that I did Sometime do you do ground 97 AJ got his cutting Vondo says he got his seed from me in aDifferent bag of weed

Headband = Mass Super Skunk (or VA super skunk - Skunk VA gave it to Chemdog) x (Chem 91 x Northern Lights)

Here are the deets on Sour Diesel:
  • growmoremids
    @kloppglass I’m beginning to think that you are talking about a completely different plant than the Sour that I know. Now, I can’t really say what exactly transpired after I left NY in the fall of 96, but I certainly know what went down before. It seems that the upstate side of the story has been largely omitted from the general narrative — so here I am to try and shed some light. First. This was a series of happy accidents coupled with an equal number of unfortunate events. Sour was not intentionally bred. Secondly, Sour is not the daughter of Chem, she is the grand-daughter. Let me explain...
  • growmoremids
    This all started in the early 90’s... Chem made her way to NYC. There was a group of us who were all brought together because of a shared love of the Grateful Dead, glass and good weed. Around this time the Chem started making her rounds... no one liked the name “Chem” and we collectively began referring to her as the Diesel. Diesel started of as a descriptive for anything we would pay $500+ an ounce for, to which the Chem/Diesel became the defacto standard. I was fortunate to have access and was lucky to collect a bean here and there when they would mysteriously end up at the bottom of a jar. Even though I wasn’t gardening at the time, I had the foresight to collect the beans. By the time it came to put the seeds in the dirt, whose to say how many different Chem crops my small purse of seeds came from. So whose the daddy? That is the million dollar question. And one I believe to be unanswerable without the help of science.
  • growmoremids
    It wasn’t until the winter of 94-95 that these seeds were germinated. Swell and I got a place in upstate NY to start our first garden. I was supposed to get a Chem cut after I brought back a bunch of seeds from Amsterdam for my friend with the Chem; but you can guess how that went. No cut for you! Instead he gave me some RFK beans and some Kyle Kushman’s PK beans. Thank you!!!Fortunately, we had collected those Chem bag seeds. Out of the dozen or so seeds, only 3-4 made it to finish to which the #2 was selected as the keeper and revegged. The others were either hermed the f out or meh. But not the #2, she was a beaut. And what would you know— more happy accidents, seeds in the #2! So whose the daddy here? We can limit this to only a handful of potential donors. The RFK’s were banana factories. If I saw that shit today, it would get culled with a quickness... back then we didn’t know any better. The Chem seeds all showed hermed tendencies too... not quite like the RFK banana factories, but enough to notice. There were herm tendencies noticed in the #2 as well... so maybe these beans were selfed? It is certainly within the realm of possibility. Personally, I feel like the RFK is the responsible party...
  • growmoremids
    The seeds from #2 were put away until winter of 95-96 when one of the homies came back to the east coast wanting to start a garden. I helped get his garden set up, gave him some cuts and a bag of beans labeled, “Our Diesel”, to which he added the “S” in front of the “our”for all the sour folks out there! Nothing to do with the smell, and everything to do with the play on words.
    This is how THE Sour Diesel came to be. All others are just a lights ;)
So they think Sour D = Chem 91 S1 x RFK Skunk (Hermie) or Chem 91 S1 x Chem 91 S1
 

sharptater

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The first drop will be about 8 weeks from now.
I finally got through the set backs and everything is looking good. In back in dwc so this is gonna make things so much better.
I have a small 2x4 table I just filled up and those are getting flipped in about a week. I have another 4x4 that that all the clones in the domes are going in as soon as they are rooted.theyll be a week veg than straight to flower.
Honestly I have so much shit right now it's hard to keep up with the exact amount of cuts I have for each strain that rooted.
As of next week these are the moms I know I will have going on the seed mom table.

GG4
GMO
Mac1
Banana cookies
Wedding Cake
East coast sour diesel
Ghost OG
Sundae driver
Bubba kush katsu
Corey cut stardawg
Purple punch

As of right this second I have
91 chem pollen
Wed cake pollen
Gg4 pollen
Ecsd pollen

I'm waiting on nuts from

Jet fuel OG
Banana cookies
Mac1
Purple punch
Corey cut stardawg
Ghost OG
Katsu bubba


If you see anything you want crossed let me know and I'll make it happen

Right now I'm planning on crossing the lines I think will pair well together based on growing them.

If you want my opinion there all gonna put out fire cause I've grown over half of these out. Anything I have crossed to cake will be good.
Look for the east coast diesel crosses and s1s.

I mean shit man I cant really pick one.
If i had to only pick 1 cross to run a 500 plant pheno with it would be the banana cookies to wedding cake or GMO.
My second pick would be purple punch to wedding pie. That shit is gonna produce the next best thing. I'm gonna pheno hunt a 1 of a kind in them seeds after I get all caught up.
I think katsu bubba x ghost og would be an interesting cross, could call it bubbas ghost lol
 

Heisenbeans

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That Banana cross sounds yummy. Haven't had anything with a consistent deep banana taste since the original S-1 release by Organkid. Ditto the Orange Daquiri. Jackie O was the last noteable orange strain I last ran...

Fuckin A are you ever gonna be busy cleanin'....sortin' and packin' beans when all of these hit at once.
The black banana was a selected F1 from an orgn kid clone only solfire is holding.
 

Heisenbeans

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So here are the details about Headband and Sour D. All this was taken from here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BfteUnoH_MI/

Headband - I think it has a few different names
kloppglass = the weasel
(stop and listen ) the chem 91 was crossed into a Northern lights this is my first cross from that I took 100 seeds labeled them one through 100 the first one the one the underdog I referred to the seeds as chemlights

kloppglass
Later I took one of the male chemlights and crossed into superskunk the sourDiesel was born out of a half pounds of weed with seeds to Vondo kept Some of the seeds for myself grew them out Vondo handed me a cut back I grew this along side of the seeds that I did Sometime do you do ground 97 AJ got his cutting Vondo says he got his seed from me in aDifferent bag of weed

Headband = Mass Super Skunk (or VA super skunk - Skunk VA gave it to Chemdog) x (Chem 91 x Northern Lights)

Here are the deets on Sour Diesel:
  • growmoremids
    @kloppglass I’m beginning to think that you are talking about a completely different plant than the Sour that I know. Now, I can’t really say what exactly transpired after I left NY in the fall of 96, but I certainly know what went down before. It seems that the upstate side of the story has been largely omitted from the general narrative — so here I am to try and shed some light. First. This was a series of happy accidents coupled with an equal number of unfortunate events. Sour was not intentionally bred. Secondly, Sour is not the daughter of Chem, she is the grand-daughter. Let me explain...
  • growmoremids
    This all started in the early 90’s... Chem made her way to NYC. There was a group of us who were all brought together because of a shared love of the Grateful Dead, glass and good weed. Around this time the Chem started making her rounds... no one liked the name “Chem” and we collectively began referring to her as the Diesel. Diesel started of as a descriptive for anything we would pay $500+ an ounce for, to which the Chem/Diesel became the defacto standard. I was fortunate to have access and was lucky to collect a bean here and there when they would mysteriously end up at the bottom of a jar. Even though I wasn’t gardening at the time, I had the foresight to collect the beans. By the time it came to put the seeds in the dirt, whose to say how many different Chem crops my small purse of seeds came from. So whose the daddy? That is the million dollar question. And one I believe to be unanswerable without the help of science.
  • growmoremids
    It wasn’t until the winter of 94-95 that these seeds were germinated. Swell and I got a place in upstate NY to start our first garden. I was supposed to get a Chem cut after I brought back a bunch of seeds from Amsterdam for my friend with the Chem; but you can guess how that went. No cut for you! Instead he gave me some RFK beans and some Kyle Kushman’s PK beans. Thank you!!!Fortunately, we had collected those Chem bag seeds. Out of the dozen or so seeds, only 3-4 made it to finish to which the #2 was selected as the keeper and revegged. The others were either hermed the f out or meh. But not the #2, she was a beaut. And what would you know— more happy accidents, seeds in the #2! So whose the daddy here? We can limit this to only a handful of potential donors. The RFK’s were banana factories. If I saw that shit today, it would get culled with a quickness... back then we didn’t know any better. The Chem seeds all showed hermed tendencies too... not quite like the RFK banana factories, but enough to notice. There were herm tendencies noticed in the #2 as well... so maybe these beans were selfed? It is certainly within the realm of possibility. Personally, I feel like the RFK is the responsible party...
  • growmoremids
    The seeds from #2 were put away until winter of 95-96 when one of the homies came back to the east coast wanting to start a garden. I helped get his garden set up, gave him some cuts and a bag of beans labeled, “Our Diesel”, to which he added the “S” in front of the “our”for all the sour folks out there! Nothing to do with the smell, and everything to do with the play on words.
    This is how THE Sour Diesel came to be. All others are just a lights ;)
So they think Sour D = Chem 91 S1 x RFK Skunk (Hermie) or Chem 91 S1 x Chem 91 S1
I think the diesel came from an accidental pollination of the 91. Some people say it is the 91.
Either way this diesel has a super unique smell that isn't like anything else I have.
As far as strong smelling goes the Corey cut is the absolute strongest smelling plant in veg I have. It even beats out the glue and that one is a stink bomb in veg also.
Also the stems on the Corey are super smooth like silk. I think any of the Corey crosses are gonna make people happy.
 

Heisenbeans

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I think katsu bubba x ghost og would be an interesting cross, could call it bubbas ghost lol
Ghost OG x Corey cut = ghost of Corey
The katsu is a super runt plant. Honestly I know it's a great bubba plant but it super annoys me.
I may S1 her and find a better plant to breed with on that side. Would love to see how the seeds turn out if I plan to hold onto her.
She needs to be crossed to something super tall to get that runt out of her.
The Ghost and the 91 are the two tallest and stretchiest I have so far.
 

CannaBruh

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I think the diesel came from an accidental pollination of the 91. Some people say it is the 91.
Either way this diesel has a super unique smell that isn't like anything else I have.
As far as strong smelling goes the Corey cut is the absolute strongest smelling plant in veg I have. It even beats out the glue and that one is a stink bomb in veg also.
Also the stems on the Corey are super smooth like silk. I think any of the Corey crosses are gonna make people happy.
Are you some people? Having ran both you should know better than to even suggest them being the same.

So by selling a bunch of Corey crosses you're like watered down² TD genetics?
 

quiescent

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Ghost OG x Corey cut = ghost of Corey
The katsu is a super runt plant. Honestly I know it's a great bubba plant but it super annoys me.
I may S1 her and find a better plant to breed with on that side. Would love to see how the seeds turn out if I plan to hold onto her.
She needs to be crossed to something super tall to get that runt out of her.
The Ghost and the 91 are the two tallest and stretchiest I have so far.
I've liked the pre98 crosses better than the katsu for this reason. I think the pre98 tastes better but the katsu is definitely good, just different than the 98. I do know the pre98 is worse about nanners than the katsu as far as crossing out/s1s.
 

Heisenbeans

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Are you some people? Having ran both you should know better than to even suggest them being the same.

So by selling a bunch of Corey crosses you're like watered down² TD genetics?
I know they are not the same. I was just saying what other people say. Why try and spin what I said into something it's not? I have them both side by side in the same room and they are obviously not the same whatsoever. But we were talking about history here and what people think ECSD is.
 

CannaBruh

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I know they are not the same. I was just saying what other people say. Why try and spin what I said into something it's not? I have them both side by side in the same room and they are obviously not the same whatsoever. But we were talking about history here and what people think ECSD is.
Why try and say what other people say if they aren't here saying it? Your saying it is what causes confusion and prompted my response.

They are obviously not the same in your opinion but you failed to make that assertion in your fuzzy hearsay comment but you are confused why I might bring this up?
 

CannaBruh

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I've liked the pre98 crosses better than the katsu for this reason. I think the pre98 tastes better but the katsu is definitely good, just different than the 98. I do know the pre98 is worse about nanners than the katsu as far as crossing out/s1s.
pre98 doesn't banana at all if it did you really fucked it up

both pre98 and katsu are fire respectively, i'd trade out either for the other no problem with katsu maybe being a bit more appealing to the eye
 

quiescent

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pre98 doesn't banana at all if it did you really fucked it up

both pre98 and katsu are fire respectively, i'd trade out either for the other no problem with katsu maybe being a bit more appealing to the eye
pre 98 s1s are known to throw nanas. Check out verdantgreen I think it was on icmag, I grew 3 packs of his s1s. A few plants did throw nanners. Not just for me but the creator himself and many others. Not super early but if you got past 60ish days you were pushing your luck.

Plenty of pre98 crosses out there with reports of nanners when the same studs with other moms never having an issue.
 

CannaBruh

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pre 98 s1s are known to throw nanas. Check out verdantgreen I think it was on icmag, I grew 3 packs of his s1s. A few plants did throw nanners. Not just for me but the creator himself and many others. Not super early but if you got past 60ish days you were pushing your luck.

Plenty of pre98 crosses out there with reports of nanners when the same studs with other moms never having an issue.
I see now "crosses" was included in your statement so apologies and disregard.

I was referring to the pre98 bubba cut not crosses/s1, the cut itself is not very sensitive to throw bananas ime.

Your conclusion that it must be bubba donating hermi traits because they're found in progeny does not follow any of the crosses I've made with the pre98, maybe don't make crosses with s1s?
 

evergreengardener

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Ghost OG x Corey cut = ghost of Corey
The katsu is a super runt plant. Honestly I know it's a great bubba plant but it super annoys me.
I may S1 her and find a better plant to breed with on that side. Would love to see how the seeds turn out if I plan to hold onto her.
She needs to be crossed to something super tall to get that runt out of her.
The Ghost and the 91 are the two tallest and stretchiest I have so far.
91 x katsu = 91 Samurais
 

jayblaze710

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I see now "crosses" was included in your statement so apologies and disregard.

I was referring to the pre98 bubba cut not crosses/s1, the cut itself is not very sensitive to throw bananas ime.

Your conclusion that it must be bubba donating hermi traits because they're found in progeny does not follow any of the crosses I've made with the pre98, maybe don't make crosses with s1s?
Lol. Katsu is an S1. Every OG clone is an S1. Forum GSC is an S1. For my money, the Chems are S1’s too.

But yeah, don’t use S1’s, they’re bad.
 

CannaBruh

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Lol. Katsu is an S1. Every OG clone is an S1. Forum GSC is an S1. For my money, the Chems are S1’s too.

But yeah, don’t use S1’s, they’re bad.
I know Katsu is an S1, held it for a looong time.

You completely missed the scope and intent behind my posts as it relates to what you've quoted.. care to try again..or did you want to feel included in the convo and this is the value you've added, welcome bongsmilie
 

ky farmer

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I know they are not the same. I was just saying what other people say. Why try and spin what I said into something it's not? I have them both side by side in the same room and they are obviously not the same whatsoever. But we were talking about history here and what people think ECSD is.
What is your best cash coping strain for outdoors?
 

thenotsoesoteric

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What is your best cash coping strain for outdoors?
No offense to Heisen but I wouldn't select any of these strains for outdoor unless I was in a very mild climate.

Im not a fan of indoor strains outdoor, too many problems. For my guerilla grows in the midwest I would get best results from canadian breeders like great white north or other outdoor breeders. Plants are climatized to be very hardy in tough conditions.

Indoor strains tend to have weak stems for buds so they break and mold is often an issue. Not saying you cant pull some great harvests for indoor strains but it is much easier with outdoor strains.
 
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