help choosing a new nute line for my rooms

Myles117 said:

yeah, ebb n flo tables require some major rez volumes lol. especially once they are in mid flower sucking up 10-15 gallons a day!

the nova seems expensive but its so concentrated, a 2.5 gal jug lasted me a few months.

maybe i should start looking at dry nutrients.... just always stayed away cuz mixing sounds like a headache.

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From all you said, maybe take a look at General Hydroponics MaxiBloom. It's a dry nutrient, very clean mixing, cost is low, it's complete (primary, secondary, and micros), and it's one of the easiest ways to do the Lucas formula thing as well. Never had any pH issues with it either.

If cost wasn't a big consideration and you don't mind more "organic-y" stuff, I'd second Botanicare Pure Blend Pro as well. I'd recommend Botanicare CNS17 otherwise (except that it is a bit of a pain to mix well compared to GH MaxiBloom).

Evo8Emperor said:

Yeah I'm not a flushing type of guy either. I run grow nutrients right up until the end of the two week stretch. Replacing the grow with flower nutes little by little until the beginning of the third week where I don't use any more grow just bloom and the bloom still has nitrogen in it as well.

As for the drying them out and dark I do the same thing but I just won't water them while their in the darkness for 36hrs.

Only thing I wanted to ask or point out is that I heard that snow storm isn't supposed to be good for you ? Ive never used it and stayed away from it at that point. I try to use the least amount possible before trying to add is booster's and what not. Not to say I don't use one now.

I am actually running Green Planet's Massive because it once again is organic based from bee's wax and is supposed to be much a like Canna's Boost but for probably 1/4 of the price. It contains triancontol I believe its spelled which is a naturally found chemical that supposed to increase nutrient uptake. It's found in alfalfa hay and bee's wax for a couple.

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Yup i go 48 or more hours usually. I dont water them either and i stop watering a few days before so the roots can dry out.

as for snow storm, Ive heard it and put it aside, mostly just haters of "snake oils". It does work and more than likely doesnt actually harm people. Its basically a chemical similar to triancontol thats usually found in alfalfa and seaweeds, along with readily available potash.

I think it first started when CA and a few other states had that law passed that didnt allow products without full lists of ingredients on the bottle. You probably remember hearing alot of shit about AN around then as well since they dont put too much info about the products on the bottles.

After that people just assumed it was bad, along with someone saying that the chemical is "carcinogenic" which alot of things are that we deal with in every day life. 99% of pop has some sort of "carcinogenic" chemical in it. Remember all the bull shit about yellow #5 in mountain dew? Same shit.

But i think that has more to do with the raw chemical and not what the plant does with it. I never really foliar feed and definitely not with SSU but that may be a way that it could be harmful if someone used it late in flower.

Evo8Emperor said:

Go with Botanicare the first time and don't look back. Dyna-gro and all those other's are snake oils or just chemically made. Botanicare is organic based and most products are OMRI listed. I grow for taste, smell and appearance. While chemicals can get you weight and appearance I don't think they can compare to the smell and taste of an organically grown plant.

Why would I want to use chemicals to grow and have to starve my plants the last two weeks in order to flush all that shit out before smoking and tasting it. I just stick with organics and feed with carbs up until the end with little nutes. This way your not starving your plant and stressing it out in its last two weeks of growth and swelling.

Everyone wants simplicity and all this other easy ways out. Well if growing was meant to be easy everyone would do it. Those of us that do the work end up with a reward in the end.

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Evo8Emperor said:

re-read my post before talking. I have grown with both jack ass. I dry my plants just fine. Like I said no point in arguing. Keep growing with your chemicals. Botanicare is organic based read the msds. blast off and some other nutrients they have are not organic based and they tell you.

No different than eating fresh fruits like watermelon that is fresh during the summer and grown naturally where as you go and taste a out of season fruit particularly watermelon you can tell the difference. For those of you who cant taste the difference between organic and chemically grown bud that's to bad for you is all. I know I can tell the difference in a lot of the weeds I smoke.

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who let the nutjob into the thread?

chemical nutrients, when used correctly, can grow high quality herb just as organics can. i dont want to culture sea monkeys in my water so the damn nutrients can be obsorbed by the plants. i want sterile rez, non organic nutrients and ease of use. call me lazy, im not doing 5x the work for same product.

an the out of season fruit tastes like crap cuz they are picked much too early and shipped across the world lol try shipping an organically grown perfectly ripe melon from here to south america an see how it arrives

id love to get all you snobs in a room blindfolded and do a taste test. i think you would see how the placebo effect is in full force between your ears

please, im not looking for this to turn into oranic vs chem debate. i do not want organics. thank you very much!

budbro18 said:

Sorry for the late response but its very thin like most nutes are. Dyna is another really good one. Ph might not be as stable as other nutes but its 2 bottles one for veg one for flower and maybe some silica or cal mag needed that they have too.

I like bpn because its good, potent nutes for cheap. Nutes take such little money to make per gallon and people charge so much for it.

let me know if you want some links. All but the 1 grow journal ive done has bpn as my nutes

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thanks, i have found plenty of info on em, just gotta read through

SableZen said:

From all you said, maybe take a look at General Hydroponics MaxiBloom. It's a dry nutrient, very clean mixing, cost is low, it's complete (primary, secondary, and micros), and it's one of the easiest ways to do the Lucas formula thing as well. Never had any pH issues with it either.

If cost wasn't a big consideration and you don't mind more "organic-y" stuff, I'd second Botanicare Pure Blend Pro as well. I'd recommend Botanicare CNS17 otherwise (except that it is a bit of a pain to mix well compared to GH MaxiBloom).

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i am basically anti-organic when it comes to hydro. ill look into the maxibloom for sure.

Im going to be doing a few side by side grow journals on here to see how nutes compare. My first compariosn will be the advanced package of Blue Planet Nutrients , here http://www.blueplanetnutrients.com/index.php?option=com_rokecwid&view=ecwid&Itemid=190#!/~/product/category=1350687&id=17106690 , against a full line up of Humboldt's Nutrients , here http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/ . I am just waiting for my new mother plants to be ready to yeild enough cuttings. I will run them in hydro setups and came pair how they grow, ph stablization, cost, ease of use, and end yeild and quality. I will also since Im new to Blue Planet Nutrients will run them against Fox Farm and Humboldt County's Own Fusion line up. I may toss in a run against Canna Verde Nutes for fun too.

oh, very cool! id love to do the same but my patients cannot afford to have a bad batch or a hickup. this is why i am looking for growers' personal endorsements

ill be watching your tests for sure!

I have been a long time fan and my go to nutes have been Fox Farm. I have never had an issue with them so i can stand behind them right now. The others I want to see and since I can do it I wanted to do an honest compariosn just to see. maybe I will be converted we will see...

I don't run active hydro but I run coco dtw so nute cost is a concern for me . I run the CNS-17 line

i havent tried foxfarm yet but i heard good things. from what i remember, isnt it a partial organic? i thought the tiger wasnt but the big bloom is.

about the cns-17, do you find additives are needed? id love a simple 1 parter where shit like calmag or boosters arent needed.

Myles117 said:

i havent tried foxfarm yet but i heard good things. from what i remember, isnt it a partial organic? i thought the tiger wasnt but the big bloom is.

about the cns-17, do you find additives are needed? id love a simple 1 parter where shit like calmag or boosters arent needed.

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I just run the grow and bloom not the ripe. but I do use hydroplex at 2.5ml per gallon during flower.

ah okay. sounds nice n simple if ya dont mind, at what rate do you use the grow and bloom at? and what total ppm do you usually feed at in veg and in flower?

Myles117 said:

ah okay. sounds nice n simple if ya dont mind, at what rate do you use the grow and bloom at? and what total ppm do you usually feed at in veg and in flower?

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My water starts out at 209ppm at a ph of 8 to that I add 5ml of ph down to get me to 6.5ph ( this is all per gal ) For veg I use 5ml of the grow which brings me to 500-550 ppm and a ph of 6. The first 2 week of flower I go with 5ml of the grow and 5ml of the bloom 690ppm @6ph. Weeks 3-7 7ml of bloom 2.5 ml of hydroplex 700-725ppm 6.2ph . Week 8 5ml of bloom . To finish I just run 1 flush with ph water and let it go bone dry and harvest.

nice system you have. thanks for the input

Thank You, I spend more money on my coco than I do to feed my plants.

so what are the choices , we don't have to pick those for you too

im asking for peoples' suggestions based on their own experiences/preferences.... or did you miss that part?

i think i have the info i was looking for. thanks for all the helpful responses

I dont grow soil anymore but in Hydro Fox Farm I run the 3 part Grow Big, Tiger Bloom, and Big Bloom. I like to use a few addiitves. I add Fox Farm Beastie Bloomz and Cha Ching. I also like to add something like Sweet or other carb booster like Humboldt Honey for weight. The Tiger is non Organic I believe. Im not big organic fanatic and just use what works for me. If good and inexpensive is what your after Humboldt County's Own Fusion line is good. I got all 3 gallons deleivered from ebay sellers for around $100 which is enough for 2 or 3 of my 55 gallon 18 pot ebb n gro type setups.

I use GH 3 part with kool bloom liquid weeks 2 - 6, and a bloom booster like kool bloom powder or MOAB during week 6 or 7. I add cal mag occasionally, if the plants need it. SImple, effective, sterile. The "Useless Formula" is a good place to start.

But in the end pretty much any nute line will produce fantastic buds, IF you take the time to learn how to use it. GH makes a ton of additives. I use 2.

Good luck in your quest.

Evo8Emperor said:

Go with Botanicare the first time and don't look back. Dyna-gro and all those other's are snake oils or just chemically made. Botanicare is organic based and most products are OMRI listed. I grow for taste, smell and appearance. While chemicals can get you weight and appearance I don't think they can compare to the smell and taste of an organically grown plant.

Why would I want to use chemicals to grow and have to starve my plants the last two weeks in order to flush all that shit out before smoking and tasting it. I just stick with organics and feed with carbs up until the end with little nutes. This way your not starving your plant and stressing it out in its last two weeks of growth and swelling.

Everyone wants simplicity and all this other easy ways out. Well if growing was meant to be easy everyone would do it. Those of us that do the work end up with a reward in the end.

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if you want to argue synthetics and organics, veganics hands down wins. look into it.

Myles117 said:

i am basically anti-organic when it comes to hydro. ill look into the maxibloom for sure.

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Yeah a lot of people do MaxiBloom from veg to flower with no additives and get awesome results. I've used it for a couple of grows like that and never saw any deficiencies, not even Cal/Mag, and the low cost meant I could do more frequent reservoir changes without cringing; would definitely be my first choice for no-nonsense type of growing. Don't discount CNS17 though; I'm currently using the Coco Grow formula in DWC (I like the NPK ratio better than the regular hydro grow) along with some of the regular hydroponic Bloom for flowering and it's been doing great for me. The only thing I don't like about CNS17 so far is that it takes some time to mix it up into solution well when making a new reservoir/bucket up - it's some stubborn stuff to mix well.

I actually really love Pure Blend Pro too (sorry if I get too far off of what you say you are looking for) - I would say it's been my favorite lines so far for general use (I grow a large variety of plants). Botanicare makes some really nice products. I even like most of the Botanicare additives like Liquid Karma (and I'm generally a huge skeptic of most additives in general). But I think the higher cost compared to CNS17 isn't really worth it unless you also like doing the beneficial microbes thing. I mean you can run PBP "clean" in hydroponics via chlorine/H2O2/etc and it will work just as good anything else out there - but I think it really shines when doing the beneficial microbe thing. I've even grown cactus (San Pedro) hydroponically (DWC no less!) with PBP and beneficial microbes where other attempts with other nutrients/setup didn't work out so well for them over time.