Hey gun nuts, is this your idea of a perfect society?

fb360 · Dec 18, 2012

Saltrock said:
Not knowledgeable on blades, but when I use a box cutter on cardboard the blade eventually dulls. Or when I am doing a lot of cloning, the scalpel will be come more dull making more difficult to make a straight cut. So some blades can dull even cutting into organics.

Peace
Salt

Yes, cheap box cutters and razors DO DULL. Want to know why? So the manufacturing company can SELL MORE. Do you think razor companies are going to sell a top quality product that needs no replacement in a lifetime? Fabricate a diamond tipped razor/blade, harden it correctly, and you'll be slicing cardboard and organics cleanly and easily for the rest of your life. It literally takes 100s of 1,000,000s of repetitive cuttings to get that type of blade anywhere near dull. (100s of millions is semantics for, longer than a lifetime, which is semantics for "forever")

The same concept for the incandescent light bulb. Manufacturing companies used thinner filament which burns out after a certain amount of time of electrical current going through it. The original light bulbs contained thick filament which would last for more than a lifetime. Why did we change, capitalism.

Dr. Kynes is just spitting rabble rabble rabble with having no background knowledge. Furthermore, being wrong, he has tried to twist the debate in several fashions to make himself look better.
-I already said that I wouldn't be able to find a sword off a shelf that would not dull
-I already said that the katana may not be the sword I was thinking of
-I already gave scientific research and papers, from NASA at the very least, which describes through engineering principles how different materials fail under load.
-I already said that this ENTIRE conversation was in CONTEXT to KILLING ZOMBIES, not hacking a sword against a metal table or grinder...

When you have to take another individuals statements out of context, to attempt to prove your incorrect point, you show that you are arguing just to argue.
All Dr. Kynes has done is say, in his own words and opinion, "no no no, that's not how it works because I say so." He hasn't added any resource of ANY value to support his claims. The best evidence he has brought forth is that he has used saws.

If you don't believe me, just look up cutco blades. Those, again, are not top of the line, but utilizing the techniques I speak of, have designed blades that can spend hours cutting concrete, and then immediately cut a piece of paper, by letting it drop and allowing gravity and weight of the paper to cut itself. It's funny when people who know absolutely nothing about material science attempt to speak material science; one of the few topics which can't be adequately grasped without hands on experience.

Beefbisquit · Dec 19, 2012

fb360 said:
Yes, cheap box cutters and razors DO DULL. Want to know why? So the manufacturing company can SELL MORE. Do you think razor companies are going to sell a top quality product that needs no replacement in a lifetime? Fabricate a diamond tipped razor/blade, harden it correctly, and you'll be slicing cardboard and organics cleanly and easily for the rest of your life. It literally takes 100s of 1,000,000s of repetitive cuttings to get that type of blade anywhere near dull. (100s of millions is semantics for, longer than a lifetime, which is semantics for "forever")

The same concept for the incandescent light bulb. Manufacturing companies used thinner filament which burns out after a certain amount of time of electrical current going through it. The original light bulbs contained thick filament which would last for more than a lifetime. Why did we change, capitalism.

Dr. Kynes is just spitting rabble rabble rabble with having no background knowledge. Furthermore, being wrong, he has tried to twist the debate in several fashions to make himself look better.
-I already said that I wouldn't be able to find a sword off a shelf that would not dull
-I already said that the katana may not be the sword I was thinking of
-I already gave scientific research and papers, from NASA at the very least, which describes through engineering principles how different materials fail under load.
-I already said that this ENTIRE conversation was in CONTEXT to KILLING ZOMBIES, not hacking a sword against a metal table or grinder...

When you have to take another individuals statements out of context, to attempt to prove your incorrect point, you show that you are arguing just to argue.
All Dr. Kynes has done is say, in his own words and opinion, "no no no, that's not how it works because I say so." He hasn't added any resource of ANY value to support his claims. The best evidence he has brought forth is that he has used saws.

If you don't believe me, just look up cutco blades. Those, again, are not top of the line, but utilizing the techniques I speak of, have designed blades that can spend hours cutting concrete, and then immediately cut a piece of paper, by letting it drop and allowing gravity and weight of the paper to cut itself. It's funny when people who know absolutely nothing about material science attempt to speak material science; one of the few topics which can't be adequately grasped without hands on experience.

I used to do granite fabrication, we replaced our diamond bits and saw blades every two weeks.... and we did not make 100,000,000 cuts in two weeks....

olylifter420 · Dec 19, 2012

Dude, he said for shaving. Not cutting through granite, one of earths hardest stones or rock whatever it is.

Beefbisquit said:
I used to do granite fabrication, we replaced our diamond bits and saw blades every two weeks.... and we did not make 100,000,000 cuts in two weeks....

Doer · Dec 19, 2012

cannabineer said:
Dissenting opinion. Obesity is a choice for very few. Unless you've had your metabolism reset to starvation mode (which causes obesity) and are willing to spend every damned day in a state comparable to acute drug withdrawal, it isn't a choice at all. cn

But, the choice is to swing a kettlebell or whatever moderation it takes to stuff face and maintain health. It's not the calories in that count, it is the calories out from activity.

And they double or triple count for us. The metab improves, greatly. I agree that it can creep up on us. Metab crashes after 40 years, etc. But, the mental aspect of sugar addition is the real problem for me.

I think the choice is there, but, as I said before, we can be robbed of choice in so many ways. And I've been there. Seen the "obese" on my Doctor's chart.

I agree it is a real problem, but it is choice based. Could be the choices of the parents can leave us as fat adults, or, in my case, slothful habits and no exercise.

If it was not choice, someone could not drop 300 pounds and keep it off. But, they do. I lost 60 pounds some years ago in chemo. Was told to get most of that back to act as a trip line against the return of cancer.

http://www.dragondoor.com/b33/

After that, I found the Russian Kettlebell techniques and lost 50 pounds for good, I hope. That's a 24kg bell he's holding. He swung it up and caught it with his palm at the zero acceleration point. I'm not quite there yet. But, I do swing the 24kg. Saved me from back surgery, the bane of the fat people.

Dr Kynes · Dec 19, 2012

fb360 said:
Yes, cheap box cutters and razors DO DULL. Want to know why? So the manufacturing company can SELL MORE. Do you think razor companies are going to sell a top quality product that needs no replacement in a lifetime? Fabricate a diamond tipped razor/blade, harden it correctly, and you'll be slicing cardboard and organics cleanly and easily for the rest of your life. It literally takes 100s of 1,000,000s of repetitive cuttings to get that type of blade anywhere near dull. (100s of millions is semantics for, longer than a lifetime, which is semantics for "forever")

The same concept for the incandescent light bulb. Manufacturing companies used thinner filament which burns out after a certain amount of time of electrical current going through it. The original light bulbs contained thick filament which would last for more than a lifetime. Why did we change, capitalism.

Dr. Kynes is just spitting rabble rabble rabble with having no background knowledge. Furthermore, being wrong, he has tried to twist the debate in several fashions to make himself look better.
-I already said that I wouldn't be able to find a sword off a shelf that would not dull
-I already said that the katana may not be the sword I was thinking of
-I already gave scientific research and papers, from NASA at the very least, which describes through engineering principles how different materials fail under load.
-I already said that this ENTIRE conversation was in CONTEXT to KILLING ZOMBIES, not hacking a sword against a metal table or grinder...

When you have to take another individuals statements out of context, to attempt to prove your incorrect point, you show that you are arguing just to argue.
All Dr. Kynes has done is say, in his own words and opinion, "no no no, that's not how it works because I say so." He hasn't added any resource of ANY value to support his claims. The best evidence he has brought forth is that he has used saws.

If you don't believe me, just look up cutco blades. Those, again, are not top of the line, but utilizing the techniques I speak of, have designed blades that can spend hours cutting concrete, and then immediately cut a piece of paper, by letting it drop and allowing gravity and weight of the paper to cut itself. It's funny when people who know absolutely nothing about material science attempt to speak material science; one of the few topics which can't be adequately grasped without hands on experience.

"out of context" ?? i qouted you IN FULL declaring the following:

katanas never get dull False
katanas have special PLATING that makes them self-sharpening False
Katanas have microscopic shark tooth formations in the blades False
katanas are made by PLATING different metals together False
there are blades that dont get dull False
chipping and erosion are a different function from dulling False
chipping and erosion are the same function as dulling (finally a correct statement, but negated by the opposite assertion in the previous post)
blades dont get dull unless they are in contact with a harder material than the tool False
saw are intended to lose teeth rather than get dull False
but youre talking about a particular type of saw that i just dont understand False
your speaking in a different context, a context which is contra to reality. True

and now blades and light bulbs only need replacement because the Lightbulb/Razor/sawblade conspiracy has planned it that way...

the old thick filament edison bulbs DO last a long time, true (current record is a bulb in a firestation in california, at 110+ years), but they also require much more power and deliver a dimmer orange light that is far inferior to the thin filament bulbs.

straight razors (not cheap by any stretch of the imagination) also require sharpening. if you could make a razor that never needs sharpening, barbers and hairstylists would beat a path to your door. nice try. logic beats you down like a chump again.

diamonds do NOT make good blades for razors, even suggesting such shows a lack of knowledge. diamonds are great for abrasions and cutting points,, but razors are not made of cutting points, unless you like shaving with a broken bottle. there are NO diamond razors because they do not work for that application. even titanium razors wear down to dullness with ordinary use.

i have a titanium bladed pocketknife and guess what, it needs sharpening occasionally too.

stone/tile saws, industrial timber saws,, concrete saws, and metal saws (rotary band or reciprocating) all dull with use. i hav enever even heard of a saw that wears down by spitting teeth at the operator. i cannot even imagine such a saw being anything but a liability. saws can lose teeth, but when they do the blade is ALWAYS replaced in any professioaal or industrial shop, never used till it just wont cut no more, since those toothless sections will snag drag tear bind or break the saw injure the operator, and waste materials. only home hobbyists would use a saw with missing teeth.

MuyLocoNC · Dec 19, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
"out of context" ?? i qouted you IN FULL declaring the following:

katanas never get dull False
katanas have special PLATING that makes them self-sharpening False
Katanas have microscopic shark tooth formations in the blades False
katanas are made by PLATING different metals together False
there are blades that dont get dull False
chipping and erosion are a different function from dulling False
chipping and erosion are the same function as dulling (finally a correct statement, but negated by the opposite assertion in the previous post)
blades dont get dull unless they are in contact with a harder material than the tool False
saw are intended to lose teeth rather than get dull False
but youre talking about a particular type of saw that i just dont understand False
your speaking in a different context, a context which is contra to reality. True

and now blades and light bulbs only need replacement because the Lightbulb/Razor/sawblade conspiracy has planned it that way...

the old thick filament edison bulbs DO last a long time, true (current record is a bulb in a firestation in california, at 110+ years), but they also require much more power and deliver a dimmer orange light that is far inferior to the thin filament bulbs.

straight razors (not cheap by any stretch of the imagination) also require sharpening. if you could make a razor that never needs sharpening, barbers and hairstylists would beat a path to your door. nice try. logic beats you down like a chump again.

diamonds do NOT make good blades for razors, even suggesting such shows a lack of knowledge. diamonds are great for abrasions and cutting points,, but razors are not made of cutting points, unless you like shaving with a broken bottle. there are NO diamond razors because they do not work for that application. even titanium razors wear down to dullness with ordinary use.

i have a titanium bladed pocketknife and guess what, it needs sharpening occasionally too.

stone/tile saws, industrial timber saws,, concrete saws, and metal saws (rotary band or reciprocating) all dull with use. i hav enever even heard of a saw that wears down by spitting teeth at the operator. i cannot even imagine such a saw being anything but a liability. saws can lose teeth, but when they do the blade is ALWAYS replaced in any professioaal or industrial shop, never used till it just wont cut no more, since those toothless sections will snag drag tear bind or break the saw injure the operator, and waste materials. only home hobbyists would use a saw with missing teeth.

As an advanced amateur woodworker, I'd like to amend your quote.

"only ignorant, possibly suicidal home hobbyists would use a saw with missing teeth."

cannabineer · Dec 19, 2012

I must say, this thread has grown one of the most epic examples of Off-Topic Flame War I've ever seen. Carry on, gents. cn

Harrekin · Dec 19, 2012

MuyLocoNC said:
As an advanced amateur woodworker, I'd like to amend your quote.

"only ignorant, possibly suicidal home hobbyists would use a saw with missing teeth."

If you use a saw with broken teeth its gonna do nothing but: [video=youtube_share;UpmX4qG1kQg]http://youtu.be/UpmX4qG1kQg[/video]

NoDrama · Dec 19, 2012

Harrekin said:
If you use a saw with broken teeth its gonna do nothing but: [video=youtube_share;UpmX4qG1kQg]http://youtu.be/UpmX4qG1kQg[/video]

That was back in the day.

Harrekin · Dec 19, 2012

NoDrama said:
That was back in the day.

Anyone who's used a saw has "those scars" on their thumbs, everyone knows the ones.

fb360 · Dec 19, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
"out of context" ?? i qouted you IN FULL declaring the following:

katanas never get dull False
katanas have special PLATING that makes them self-sharpening False
Katanas have microscopic shark tooth formations in the blades False
katanas are made by PLATING different metals together False

I said in the beginning, and several times throughout this argument, the blade I'm speaking of may not be a Katana, you dense fuck. /outofcontext

Dr Kynes said:
there are blades that dont get dull False

No that statement is true. I've already supported it with NASA engineering documents. Your word of mouth DOES NOT trump that, as much as you would like to believe.

Dr Kynes said:
chipping and erosion are a different function from dulling False

You were the one who said this, I even posted the EXACT quote, marked with RED LETTERING, showing that YOU in fact don't understand how material failure works.

Dr Kynes said:
blades dont get dull unless they are in contact with a harder material than the tool False

Ah the subject of the argument! Again, IN THE CONTEXT, you halfwit, a well made sword would last LONGER THAN A LIFETIME of slicing zombies, before it needs to be sharpened.

Thanks for showing your fallacy. Thanks for showing your arrogance. Thanks for showing you are trying to argue, just to argue. Thanks again for taking me out of context, as you said you hadn't in the very first statement of this post.

Dr Kynes said:
your speaking in a different context, a context which is contra to reality. True

The mother fuckin IRONY

Dr Kynes said:
and now blades and light bulbs only need replacement because the Lightbulb/Razor/sawblade conspiracy has planned it that way...

Who said this? I stated FACT. I stated the fact that manufacturing companies ENGINEER their products to fail in a given amount of time. Again, I supported that claim with FACT. The FACT that light bulbs with thick filament can last longer than a lifetime.

"the old thick filament edison bulbs DO last a long time, true (current record is a bulb in a firestation in california, at 110+ years), but they also require much more power and deliver a dimmer orange light that is far inferior to the thin filament bulbs." <- Thanks for supporting my factual claim that you argued against. lol....

Dr Kynes said:
straight razors (not cheap by any stretch of the imagination) also require sharpening. if you could make a razor that never needs sharpening, barbers and hairstylists would beat a path to your door. nice try. logic beats you down like a chump again.

So your logic is that because a barber who doesn't own a well engineered piece of equipment, it cannot exist. Got it! Good logic there Doc! I guess because we haven't made public the cure for certain diseases, that they cannot possibly exist! Never have, never will! I guess the time of innovation and new creation is OVER! Cuz if it aint existing here and now, it aint existing ever!

Dr Kynes said:
i have a titanium bladed pocketknife and guess what, it needs sharpening occasionally too.

The type of alloy has VERY LITTLE to do with the HARDNESS of the material, when speaking of super hard materials, as I've stated from the beginning. The fact that you keep arguing apples to blue semis is comical. Keep talking about titanium like that name means SUPER HARD, indestructible. I never said titanium wouldn't dull, why are you insisting such? Being hypocritical? Acting dumb? Surely

Again, because you know absolutely NOTHING about material science, let me run it through for you one mo time:
Hardening:
1. Place alloy in oven that has reached an equilibrium of 1500F.
2. Allow part to reach equilibrium, and then sit for 30min
3. Now, warm oil quench the part so that we raise the hardness to the 40RCs.
4. Repeat step 1.
5. Allow only the case of the part to get hot, then sit for about 15min.
6. Cold water quench obtaining a case of 55ishRC.

Dr Kynes said:
stone/tile saws, industrial timber saws,, concrete saws, and metal saws (rotary band or reciprocating) all dull with use. i hav enever even heard of a saw that wears down by spitting teeth at the operator. i cannot even imagine such a saw being anything but a liability. saws can lose teeth, but when they do the blade is ALWAYS replaced in any professioaal or industrial shop, never used till it just wont cut no more, since those toothless sections will snag drag tear bind or break the saw injure the operator, and waste materials. only home hobbyists would use a saw with missing teeth.

You have no idea how industrial, metal saws work. They lose teeth as a result of cutting hard metals. It happens, period.

Why don't you go run the saws at Honeywell, tell those machinist that you are better and more qualified, and that only morons use blades missing teeth.

This really is the last time I reply to you, because you've proven to act like a arrogant child in this debate. Thanks for demonstrating that you will argue against reputable sources like NASA. You aren't even arguing against me, you are arguing against science, and I've given you every opportunity to read and reevaluate your laymans knowledge of material science.

Make some gears out of glass (RC70ish) and see if they dull or shatter. Make a glass sword and go chop zombies, tell me if it chips and/or shatters, or if it dulls. Knives, swords, gears, etc, are all made soft purposely so they can have the chance and ability to dull. If it is too hard, the material fractures without notice, aka chipping and or shattering, not dulling. Even your graphic of the sword fabrication depicts such. They then case harden the material so that it can obtain dull-resistant/deformation-resistant properties. But they don't case harden to the point where it inherently causes chipping/shattering.

/sizereduced

kelly4 · Dec 19, 2012

NoDrama said:
That was back in the day.

Yeah...the good 'ol days. Man, did I have fun back then...

Dr Kynes · Dec 20, 2012

cannabineer said:
I must say, this thread has grown one of the most epic examples of Off-Topic Flame War I've ever seen. Carry on, gents. cn

i have not yet begun to flame.

this is just a little aside based on one of my personal Limit Breaks, weeaboos and their fetishization of japanese swords. a good old fashione broadsword will snap a katana like a twig if the weeabo attempts to use it like he sees in hollywood movies, only kurasawa displays kendo and iaido in their real forms, and the keen observer will note, NO BLADE TO BLADE CONTACT since it turns your sword into a club, or worse, a handle.

japanese swords are too delicate for use by any but the expert, and too difficult to maintain if you dont have a drunken blacksmith living in the forge shed of your palatial estate in fukishima province, where you are the local daimyo, or at least his heir.

a machete is a better chioce for dispatching the zombie hordes, as it is designed for hacking, and is balanced perfectly if your goal is to lop the limbs and heads off shambling zeds. with their forward balance point, machetes give more force with less effort than a sword made for combat, but they do suck on defense for exactly that reason.

MrStickyScissors · Dec 20, 2012

Dr Kynes · Dec 20, 2012

fb360 said:
I said in the beginning, and several times throughout this argument, the blade I'm speaking of may not be a Katana, you dense fuck. /outofcontext

No that statement is true. I've already supported it with NASA engineering documents. Your word of mouth DOES NOT trump that, as much as you would like to believe.

You were the one who said this, I even posted the EXACT quote, marked with RED LETTERING, showing that YOU in fact don't understand how material failure works.

Ah the subject of the argument! Again, IN THE CONTEXT, you halfwit, a well made sword would last LONGER THAN A LIFETIME of slicing zombies, before it needs to be sharpened.

Thanks for showing your fallacy. Thanks for showing your arrogance. Thanks for showing you are trying to argue, just to argue. Thanks again for taking me out of context, as you said you hadn't in the very first statement of this post.

The mother fuckin IRONY

Who said this? I stated FACT. I stated the fact that manufacturing companies ENGINEER their products to fail in a given amount of time. Again, I supported that claim with FACT. The FACT that light bulbs with thick filament can last longer than a lifetime.

"the old thick filament edison bulbs DO last a long time, true (current record is a bulb in a firestation in california, at 110+ years), but they also require much more power and deliver a dimmer orange light that is far inferior to the thin filament bulbs." <- Thanks for supporting my factual claim that you argued against. lol....

So your logic is that because a barber who doesn't own a well engineered piece of equipment, it cannot exist. Got it! Good logic there Doc! I guess because we haven't made public the cure for certain diseases, that they cannot possibly exist! Never have, never will! I guess the time of innovation and new creation is OVER! Cuz if it aint existing here and now, it aint existing ever!

The type of alloy has VERY LITTLE to do with the HARDNESS of the material, when speaking of super hard materials, as I've stated from the beginning. The fact that you keep arguing apples to blue semis is comical. Keep talking about titanium like that name means SUPER HARD, indestructible. I never said titanium wouldn't dull, why are you insisting such? Being hypocritical? Acting dumb? Surely

Again, because you know absolutely NOTHING about material science, let me run it through for you one mo time:
Hardening:
1. Place alloy in oven that has reached an equilibrium of 1500F.
2. Allow part to reach equilibrium, and then sit for 30min
3. Now, warm oil quench the part so that we raise the hardness to the 40RCs.
4. Repeat step 1.
5. Allow only the case of the part to get hot, then sit for about 15min.
6. Cold water quench obtaining a case of 55ishRC.

You have no idea how industrial, metal saws work. They lose teeth as a result of cutting hard metals. It happens, period.

Why don't you go run the saws at Honeywell, tell those machinist that you are better and more qualified, and that only morons use blades missing teeth.

This really is the last time I reply to you, because you've proven to act like a arrogant child in this debate. Thanks for demonstrating that you will argue against reputable sources like NASA. You aren't even arguing against me, you are arguing against science, and I've given you every opportunity to read and reevaluate your laymans knowledge of material science.

Make some gears out of glass (RC70ish) and see if they dull or shatter. Make a glass sword and go chop zombies, tell me if it chips and/or shatters, or if it dulls. Knives, swords, gears, etc, are all made soft purposely so they can have the chance and ability to dull. If it is too hard, the material fractures without notice, aka chipping and or shattering, not dulling. Even your graphic of the sword fabrication depicts such. They then case harden the material so that it can obtain dull-resistant/deformation-resistant properties. But they don't case harden to the point where it inherently causes chipping/shattering.

/sizereduced

nobody gets this butthurt over somebody saying "thats retarded" unless they deep down know, what they said was in fact RETARDED.

all your whinging about hardness testing and tempering and diagrams of stress failures dont change the simple fact that you claimed katanas dont dull even if you amend it ex post facto to mean some mysterious "other sword" the facvt remains, ANY EDGE WILL DULL even glass (why you bring that upo is beyond me.)

katanas are STILLL not "plated" and changing your "plated" retardations to "case hardened" STILL doesnt fit, since even if we assume the masamune blades are the default, even those are not "case hardened" they are welded from many types of steel with the hardest types on the edge, which is NOT "case hardening" any more than it's drop or roll forging. case hardening is a cheap method of making a tool more durable, NOT the careful and deliberate welding of different steels into a single unit.

your claims that lightbulbs razors and saw blades only wear out because they are designed to do so is ridiculous, ignorant and retarded. bringing up fictional glass swords and glass gears as a reductio ad absurdum is some of the weakest shit i have ever seen, engineers (real ones) are constantly working to make shit MORE DURABLE and MORE EFFECTIVE. your assertions to the contrary are simply deranged conspiracy theory. any engineer who could devise and manufacture a saw blade that never wears out, or a razor that doesnt dull would become a trillionaire, nobody has done it yet, unless the lightbulb conspirators are keeping that shit under wraps, along with the car that runs on water, the secret "trick" that "They Dont Want You To Know" that will save you 60% on electrical bills, and the real truth behind the faked moon landing.

the single lightbulb in the fireshouse thats been burning constantly for 110+ years delivers less light than a refrigerator bulb, but consumes 90 watts or so (as opposed to 15) the light is an ugly orange, and most importantly, there is no off switch, thus preventing the bulb from experiencing the on/off cycles that cause bulbs to pop. it's longevity is as much due to the fact that it has NEVER been turned off as it is to the design of the bulb. even if the bulb were simply immortal by design, the higher electrical cost for LESS light in an unappealing spectrum makes this bulb unsuitable for most uses. plus you cant turn em off without losing the one thing it has going for it, you never have to replace it... amazing.

i mention my titanium pocket knife for the simple reason that it is so hard my arkansas stone and chef's steels cannot hone it, nor can my razor strop. i have to use a diamond sharpening rod to sharpen it. despite it's hardness it DOES need honing, and the diamond rods DO wear out too. or if you wish, THEY GET DULL.

were you to take a few classes in kendo or iaido you would be instructed on WHY these swords are used in the manner they are, to prevent contact with the other guy's sword, and to prevent contact as much as possible with BONE because the edges are so hard they CAN CHIP on human bone if your strike is not precise. japanese blades are not magic. they do not have any special powers, and in many ways they are INFERIOR to western designed swords, particularly if the opponent is wearing armor which is not made from leather and wood. katanas slice, they do not chop, hack or slash. if you do that, they fail and must be reforged.

all your isnistence that "you know nothing about material science" is a weak and shamelss appeal to authority, you might as well hold up a bible and claim god says youre right. too bad youre wrong.

Saltrock · Dec 20, 2012

I know that certain samurai swords will cut through 5 bodies at once, I'll take the sword over the machete. Die Zombie Die!!!!

Peace
Salt

Dr Kynes · Dec 20, 2012

Saltrock said:
I know that certain samurai swords will cut through 5 bodies at once, I'll take the sword over the machete. Die Zombie Die!!!!

Peace
Salt

certain experts with the blade can decapitate a peasant with one swipe, or separate torso from abdomen, but "5 bodies at once" is ridiculous.

the blade is a marvelously well made instrument for it's purpose, but it depends more on the user than the blade to perform even the most banal of the feats attributed. and most of the feats are MYTH.

i personally have seen a master slice off the top of a hckory pick handle with one blow, which was pretty impressive, since it was MY pick handle chosen just to see if he was bullshitting or not, but a non-expert with the finest blade would fail at slicing through a pine mop handle. and he would likely chip the blade while doing it.

if it comes to zeds, take a european sabre or machete over a katana, but a club will get you there faster easier and with less sweat and maintenance

Saltrock · Dec 20, 2012

Dr Kynes said:
certain experts with the blade can decapitate a peasant with one swipe, or separate torso from abdomen, but "5 bodies at once" is ridiculous.

the blade is a marvelously well made instrument for it's purpose, but it depends more on the user than the blade to perform even the most banal of the feats attributed. and most of the feats are MYTH.

i personally have seen a master slice off the top of a hckory pick handle with one blow, which was pretty impressive, since it was MY pick handle chosen just to see if he was bullshitting or not, but a non-expert with the finest blade would fail at slicing through a pine mop handle. and he would likely chip the blade while doing it.

if it comes to zeds, take a european sabre or machete over a katana, but a club will get you there faster easier and with less sweat and maintenance

Yes, but you got to assume a zombies body is going to have more of a gelatinous texture. I think a bad ass samurai with a super sharp blade could do 5 bodies. Not completely unfathomable imo.

Peace
Salt

Beefbisquit · Dec 20, 2012

fb360 said:
I said in the beginning, and several times throughout this argument, the blade I'm speaking of may not be a Katana, you dense fuck. /outofcontext

No that statement is true. I've already supported it with NASA engineering documents. Your word of mouth DOES NOT trump that, as much as you would like to believe.

You were the one who said this, I even posted the EXACT quote, marked with RED LETTERING, showing that YOU in fact don't understand how material failure works.

Ah the subject of the argument! Again, IN THE CONTEXT, you halfwit, a well made sword would last LONGER THAN A LIFETIME of slicing zombies, before it needs to be sharpened.

Thanks for showing your fallacy. Thanks for showing your arrogance. Thanks for showing you are trying to argue, just to argue. Thanks again for taking me out of context, as you said you hadn't in the very first statement of this post.

The mother fuckin IRONY

Who said this? I stated FACT. I stated the fact that manufacturing companies ENGINEER their products to fail in a given amount of time. Again, I supported that claim with FACT. The FACT that light bulbs with thick filament can last longer than a lifetime.

"the old thick filament edison bulbs DO last a long time, true (current record is a bulb in a firestation in california, at 110+ years), but they also require much more power and deliver a dimmer orange light that is far inferior to the thin filament bulbs." <- Thanks for supporting my factual claim that you argued against. lol....

So your logic is that because a barber who doesn't own a well engineered piece of equipment, it cannot exist. Got it! Good logic there Doc! I guess because we haven't made public the cure for certain diseases, that they cannot possibly exist! Never have, never will! I guess the time of innovation and new creation is OVER! Cuz if it aint existing here and now, it aint existing ever!

The type of alloy has VERY LITTLE to do with the HARDNESS of the material, when speaking of super hard materials, as I've stated from the beginning. The fact that you keep arguing apples to blue semis is comical. Keep talking about titanium like that name means SUPER HARD, indestructible. I never said titanium wouldn't dull, why are you insisting such? Being hypocritical? Acting dumb? Surely

Again, because you know absolutely NOTHING about material science, let me run it through for you one mo time:
Hardening:
1. Place alloy in oven that has reached an equilibrium of 1500F.
2. Allow part to reach equilibrium, and then sit for 30min
3. Now, warm oil quench the part so that we raise the hardness to the 40RCs.
4. Repeat step 1.
5. Allow only the case of the part to get hot, then sit for about 15min.
6. Cold water quench obtaining a case of 55ishRC.

You have no idea how industrial, metal saws work. They lose teeth as a result of cutting hard metals. It happens, period.

Why don't you go run the saws at Honeywell, tell those machinist that you are better and more qualified, and that only morons use blades missing teeth.

This really is the last time I reply to you, because you've proven to act like a arrogant child in this debate. Thanks for demonstrating that you will argue against reputable sources like NASA. You aren't even arguing against me, you are arguing against science, and I've given you every opportunity to read and reevaluate your laymans knowledge of material science.

Make some gears out of glass (RC70ish) and see if they dull or shatter. Make a glass sword and go chop zombies, tell me if it chips and/or shatters, or if it dulls. Knives, swords, gears, etc, are all made soft purposely so they can have the chance and ability to dull. If it is too hard, the material fractures without notice, aka chipping and or shattering, not dulling. Even your graphic of the sword fabrication depicts such. They then case harden the material so that it can obtain dull-resistant/deformation-resistant properties. But they don't case harden to the point where it inherently causes chipping/shattering.

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I ran an industrial 16" laser guided granite saw. The instant the saw lost a tooth it was shut down and the blade was replaced. Running a saw with missing teeth not only ruins the product you're cutting, but can kill you.

fb360 · Dec 20, 2012

Beefbisquit said:
I ran an industrial 16" laser guided granite saw. The instant the saw lost a tooth it was shut down and the blade was replaced. Running a saw with missing teeth not only ruins the product you're cutting, but can kill you.

A circular bandsaw has literally thousands of teeth. NO ONE, I reiterate, NO ONE, checks the blade everytime to see if even ONE is missing! lol, comical.

You replace the blade:
A). The loss of teeth leads to chatter on the blade, which leads to a sloppy and "ruined" product, as you mention.

B). The loss of teeth leads to a noticeable loss of cutting production, in which case the blade is replaced.

In both cases, the blades are replaced due to missing teeth, NOT dullness. I've worked in high-end engineering test labs for years and never ONCE saw a blade replaced due to dullness, they don't last that long, as I've already mentioned.
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Your circular GRANITE saw, as granite is not a metal..., is a completely different beast that we already discussed was out of context and has nothing to do with our debate.

Thanks for your experience, but we have been speaking about a different type of blade for many pages now.
Quoting my post didn't help you much; just made apparent that you didn't read our conversation.

Hey gun nuts, is this your idea of a perfect society?

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