High School Dropouts
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mountaingarden
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Preciously why I want legislators children at the same risk as every kid trying to improve their circumstance. I think there are 2 or 3 kids serving our of 525 elected officials in DC.
sync0s
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The problem in that is like what JFK's dad did. They groom their kids for political careers and send them into the military, but they pull their strings to make sure they get jobs that are safe. JFK would have never been on that boat that got sunk if he hadn't begged his dad to let him do a more active role.
sync0s
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Exactly.
Also, I can see the point that high school diploma will help the majority, there are people who don't need school to succeed. In fact, they are more successful with out. These are statistical outliers, but we can't encourage a school system that will hold these people back.
mountaingarden
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That's a very specific example. Plenty of others just went over and did their time, others became politicians themselves. John Kerry had a Silver Star. They don't give those to sane people. They do crazy things to save other people. John McCain stacked up 4 or 5 planes before he ended up in the Hanoi Hilton, but to his credit, didn't ask for special privileges, either. (Should never have been a pilot, but with daddy being an admirable, they gave him a slot.)
My point is hardly any even pretend these days. Joe Biden's son is the only one that comes to mind. Certainly no Republicans of note.
mountaingarden
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lol...."admirable"...s/b Admiral.
mountaingarden
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Nope. You have to make kids want to learn. It has to be fun and intriguing. This whole Teach to the Test stuff has stifled education for a decade, and before that... things morphed into a form of politically correct between my oldest step-son and youngest daughter that was boggling.
Academics used to have accountability, and it got lost. In the attempt to be accommodating to those with bona fide needs and issues, others took huge advantage. The result has been catastrophic.
My schoolmates and I (thanks to Facebook), remember several "special" teachers with fondness, respect, and gratitude. They were the foundation of many successful careers. While I in no way advocate returning to these times, when I was in "junior high", principals and male teachers had hack paddles. If boys (usually jocks) behaved badly in class, they were hauled out into the hall and given a "hack". Every teacher had a custom paddle, with their own pattern of holes and decorations. In many ways it was a bad of honor, but had to hurt like hell, and smart kids just smiled and shook their heads and kept learning.
Study hall detention followed hacks and wasn't nearly as effective in short stopping classroom distraction! Another difference in those days was you hoped and prayed word of school discipline didn't make it home, because home would be 20x worse than whatever school had meted out. You would pray to any god that might be listening the school office staff decided you'd already suffered enough and didn't call your folks.
I know this sounds odd to younger generations, but you work for well over half your life, and it's more fun if you enjoy it and it pays well. Makes it closer to play. Education is the key.
scroglodyte
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i thank it is crimmonnal, hoo arr they to tall us wat we kin do..........
"Reuuu-uuu---bennnnnnnnn!!!"
i think that its smart........they might as well buckle down and graduate; no early release....lol.
"Reuuu-uuu---bennnnnnnnn!!!"
i think that its smart........they might as well buckle down and graduate; no early release....lol.
UncleBuck
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i agree, i think it is smart policy, but it does have unintended consequences that others have pointed out.
perhaps if there were some type of opt out (get your GED and go type of thing) i would be all for it. and the fact that obama only urged states to do so, rather than making it a federal issue, was smart.
oh, and mountaingarden, besides the paddles, it was the same where i grew up. pray to hell that they don't leave a message on your parents' answering machine or that you got home before they did. and once again, a million thanks on the moving advice
scroglodyte
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of course........and hardship exemptions. but, at its core, its a good law. in my red, Chinese eyes, at least. wish they had it in 1978
timeismoney1
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I agree with obama. Dropping out solves nothing
Man up and get your diploma. Dropping out never made anyone rich
Man up and get your diploma. Dropping out never made anyone rich
sync0s
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| Famous High School Dropouts Part Two Shaun Kerry, M.D. Diplomate, American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology H.G. Wells.......best-selling British author (dropped out to help family earn income; later returned and went on to college) Jim Clark........self-made billionaire American businessman; founder of "Netscape"; first Internet billionaire (17, U.S. Navy) Jimmy Dean..........singer-songwriter-actor; self-made multimillionaire American businessman; founder of the "Jimmy Dean |
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Andrew Jackson......7th U.S. President; face is pictured on the U.S. twenty dollar bill (13, U.S. Continental Army; orphaned at 14; little formal education; home schooling/life experience; studied law in his late teens and became a lawyer) Leon Uris..........best-selling American author (Exodus, etc.) (17, U.S. Marines)
Walter L. Smith .....former president of Florida A&M University (equivalency diploma, at age 23) W. Clement Stone....self-made multimillionaire (some sources indicate billionaire) American businessman-author; founder of "Success" magazine (elementary school dropout; later attended high-school night courses and then some college)
Jack London.......best-selling American author (dropped out at 14 to work; later gained admission to the University of California; left after one semester)
Arthur Ernest Morgan....American flood-control engineer; college president-author; appointed by President Roosevelt to be director of the Tennessee Valley Authority public works project (left high school after three years; later attended the University of Colorado for six weeks) Ray Charles.........singer-pianist; Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee
Ch er ......Oscar-winning actress-singer
Maurice Chevalier.... Oscar-winning actor-singer; French Legion of Honor inductee/Medal recipient (note: rank bestowed in 1938
Pierce Brosnan......actor Ellen Burnstyn......Oscar-winning actress
Raymond Burr.......actor
Sammy Cahn .......... Oscar-winning American songwriter-composer
Michael Caine.......Oscar-winning actor; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Michael Caine)
Glen Campbell.......country music star
Daniel Gilbert......Harvard University psychology professor (equivalency diploma)
Dizzy Gillespie.....musician-composer (received honorary diploma from high school he attended)
Patrick Henry .......American Revolutionary War era politician; Virginia's first governor; famous quote: "Give me liberty, or give me death!" (little formal education; home schooling/life experience; later studied on his own and earned a law degree)
Peter Jennings......Canadian-born American television journalist; evening news anchorman Ansel Adams.........American wilderness photographer; photography book author; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient
Julie Andrews.......Oscar-winning actress-singer
Louis Armstrong.....singer-musician
Brooke Astor ........wealthy American socialite-philanthropist-author; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient
Pearl Bailey........singer-actress; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient
Lucille Ball........actress-comedienne-producer; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient
Bill Bartman........self-made billionaire American businessman
Count Basie.........bandleader-pianist
Jack Benny .......... comedian-actor-violinist
Humphrey Bogart.....Oscar-winning actor
Peter Bogdanovich....Oscar-nominated American film director-screenwriter (The Last Picture Show, Paper Moon, Mask, etc.)
Whoopie Goldberg....Oscar-winning actress-comedienne
Benny Goodman.....bandleader-clarinetist
Lew Grade .........British film/TV producer (TV: The Avengers, The Saint, Secret Agent, The Prisoner, The Muppet Show, etc.); knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Lew Grade)
Philip Emeagwali....supercomputer scientist; one of the pioneers of the Internet (high-IQ high-school dropout; left school in native Nigeria due to war conditions and lack of tuition money; continued to study on his own and earned an equivalency diploma; later won a scholarship to Oregon College of Education in the United States; transferred after one year to Oregon State University)
Danny Thomas........actor-producer-humanitarian (actor: Make Room for Daddy/The Danny Thomas Show; co-producer: The Dick Van Dyke Show, The Andy Griffith Show, etc.); Congressional Gold Medal recipient Peter Ustinov.......Oscar-winning actor Hiram Stevens.......American-born engineering inventor; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Hiram Stevens)
Patrick Stewart ..... actor-writer-producer-director; former captain of the Enterprise on TV's Star Trek: The Next Generation and in films.
Kemmons Wilson.......self-made multimillionaire American businessman; founder of the "Holiday Inn" hotel chain Kjell Inge Rokke.....self-made billionaire Norwegian businessman David Puttnam.......Oscar-winning British film producer (Chariots of Fire, Midnight Express, etc.); knighted (United Kingdom: Sir David Puttnam)
Anthony Quinn.......Oscar-winning actor Julie London ....... singer-actress
Sophia Loren.......Oscar-winning actress; best-selling Italian-born author; former model (elementary school dropout)
Joe Louis..........boxer; Congressional Gold Medal recipient
Roy Rogers..........actor-singer-guitarist Walter Nash.......New Zealand Prime Minister 1957-1960; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Walter Nash)
Olivia Newton-John .... singer-actress; British-born Australian author
Rosa Parks.........U.S. civil rights activist-pioneer; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient; Congressional Gold Medal recipient
Mary Pickford......Oscar-winning actress; early Hollywood pioneer; co-founder of "United Artists Corporation" (little formal education [six months]; home schooling/life experience)
Sydney Poitier.....Oscar-winning actor (elementary school dropout) Frederick "Freddy" Laker.... self-made multimillionaire British businessman; airline entrepreneur; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Frederick [or Freddy] Laker)
Tommy Lasorda ...... baseball team manager; National Baseball Hall of Fame inductee
David Lean.........Oscar-winning British film director (Lawrence of Arabia, Dr .Zhivago, etc.); knighted (United Kingdom: Sir David Lean)
Anton van Leeuwenhoek....Dutch microscope maker; world's first microbiologist; discoverer of bacteria, blood cells, and sperm cells)
Richard Branson.....self-made billionaire British businessman; founder of "Virgin Atlantic Airways," "Virgin Records," etc.; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Richard Branson) Isaac Merrit Singer....American sewing machine inventor; self-made multimillionaire founder of "Singer Industries," "I.M. Singer and Company," etc. (elementary school dropout)
Alfred E. Smith .....New York Governor; 1928 Democratic U.S. Presidential candidate (elementary school dropout)
Charles Chaplin.....Oscar-winning actor-writer-director-producer; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Charles [or Charlie] Chaplin) (elementary school dropout)
Sean Connery........Oscar-winning actor; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Sean Connery)
Jack Kent Cooke.....self-made billionaire Canadian-born American media businessman
Noel Coward.........Oscar-winning actor-director-producer-playwright-composer; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Noel Coward) (elementary school dropout)
Joan Crawford ....... Oscar-winning actress; former dancer
Charles E. Culpeper....self-made multimillionaire American businessman; early 1900s' owner and head of "The Coca Cola Bottling Company"
Robert De Niro......Oscar-winning actor-producer; knighted (France: Chevalier [Knight] of the Legion of Honor; Chevalier [or Chev.] Robert De Niro)
Gerard Depardieu....Oscar-nominated actor; knighted (France: Chevalier [or Chev.] Gerard Depardieu) (elementary school dropout)
Richard Desmond.....self-made billionaire British publisher Thomas Dolby ........ musician-composer; music producer
Joe Lewis........self-made billionaire British businessman
Carl Lindner.......self-made billionaire American businessman
John Llewellyn.....U.S. Labor leader pioneer; for 40 years until his retirement, president of the United Mine Workers' Union
Marcus Loew........self-made multimillionaire American businessman; early Hollywood pioneer; founder of the "Loews" movie-theater chain; co-founder of "MGM" studios (elementary school dropout)
Mary Lyon .........American women's education pioneer; early American teacher; founder of Mount Holyoke College (America's first women's college) Sonny Bono...........singer-songwriter-actor; U.S. Congressman (California U.S. Representative)
Duke Ellington......Oscar-nominated American composer-bandleader; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient
Ella Fitzgerald.....singer; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient
Aretha Franklin....singer; Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee
Horace Greeley .... American newspaper publisher-editor; U.S. Congressman; 1872 U.S. Presidential candidate; co-founder of the Republican party in the United States
Thomas Haffa......self-made double-digit billionaire German media businessman
J.R. Simplot.......self-made billionaire American agricultural businessman
Robert Maxwell.....self-made billionaire British publisher
Rod McKuen.........best-selling American poet (elementary school dropout) [/TD]
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Howard Stern
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A highschool diploma doesn't mean shit anymore these days. I dont' have one and every job I got I just checked High School graduated on the app. Funny thing was that I was selling fake diplomas to Mexicans! They never even check at the majority of jobs. I can't spell worth a fuck but I can out work 90% of the stupid ass kids these days that have a diploma! The only thing an education will decide for ya is weather you will work with your back or your brain. That is what I tell the kids, if ya wana work your ass off the rest of your life and break your back then go ahead and drop out! If you want to have a chance of living the life you want you will have to go to college!
timeismoney1
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Ok so you named 50 out pf the millions. Wheres the list for famous diploma ppl? Lets compare
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abandonconflict
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Who knows where I would be today if my probation officer hadn't made sure I stayed in school when I was 17 and helped me become army material. There are opportunities in this country. Obama is making sure those opportunities don't go completely to waste.
londonfog
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are we really arguing that a high school diploma is useless and that you really don't need it ???? and we wonder why other countries are passing us by ..I use shit I learned in highschool everyday.. I like the the idea of want Obama is saying, but some people just want to be stuck on stupid and forcing them to stay would only hurt the other kids that want to learn..... but if you drop out you should not be allowed to vote until you are 21 or get a GED/or join military...and remember at the job that you are most likely to get, that I like my fries without salt and no pickles on my burger please.
nitro harley
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Hello timeismoney....
I have a hard time agreeing with Obama on anything....It all goes in one ear and right out the other ear.....I do agree it is probably best to finnish HS...but dropping out does not take away the chance to get rich in this country.....some people might think that I am rich...and I finnished the 10th grade...What I look for in an employee is common sence.....thats what my best worker's have is common sence....I could care less if they had a HSD...that is reality in the type of work I am into....
I started working at 16 then bought my own buisiness when I was 27......I love this country... I was able to capitalize on our system at a young age and now life is good....all you have to do is work hard and have common sence....and to top it off I have a piece of paper on the wall that says I can grow pot legally....I truly love this country.....when I look at obama I see a man that really doesn't know how to work....he reminds me of a scam penny stock promotor.....thats just my two cents and my opinion..........nitro....
