How long till the next US war??

Dr Kynes said:

but you see, there are all these pictures and hundreds more like them:

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or perhaps this little gem: http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9102112759

or his own dulcet voice...

[video=youtube;5hLDjGdJC0Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q&feature=player_embedded[/video]

so yes, all your citations parsing his words through different translations just dont work. he did not LITERALLY say "we shall wipe israel off the map" because he doesnt speak english, like a civilized dictator. instead he gabbled out a phrase that translates to

"khomeini says we should scrub israel from the pages of history, and i think thats a great idea!"

such a big difference, i know. way to prove that you are as petty small minded and coeardly as machmoud ahmedinejhad.

israel should be wiped off the map is an adequate translation, and has proven sufficient for iranian propaganda posters, so thinking individuals who do NOT have their head shoved deeply up their own, or ahmedinejhad's ass understand that while the translation can be finessed, the meaning intent and truth of the statement is abundantly clear to all. or does "scrubbed from the pages of history" mean something different in farsi?

every time you open your mouth you sound stupider and stupider. do continue.

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Hes talking about the regime not the state of Israel or the Israeli people. Exactly what I said you moron! You can even look at your own sig which you quoted you dumbass. And wow you posted pictures of signs still doesn't mean shit anyone with common sense would know that but you must be getting really desperate to post that as 'evidence' he said it. Maybe you should take your head out of Israel's ass for a few minutes and consider that all those websites I mentioned are actually correct because they are and think what else other things has Israel lied about. Also why did Ahmedinejad say the word "rezhim-e" meaning regime if he was talking about the nation of Israel.

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Hes talking about the regime not the state of Israel or the Israeli people. Exactly what I said you moron! You can even look at your own sig which you quoted you dumbass. And wow you posted pictures of signs still doesn't mean shit anyone with common sense would know that but you must be getting really desperate to post that as 'evidence' he said it. Maybe you should take your head out of Israel's ass for a few minutes and consider that all those websites I mentioned are actually correct because they are and think what else other things has Israel lied about. Also why did Ahmedinejad say the word "rezhim-e" meaning regime if he was talking about the nation of Israel.

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so he just wants to eliminate the GOVERNMENT of israel, not the land itself... so if the US launches a nuclear strike at tehran we are just eliminating the regime of ahmedinejhad and his Bugnuts Beard Brigade of "clerics" so thats OK right?

of course it is, we never said we wanted to destroy iran, just everything that makes iran iranian...

you dont even hear how ridiculous you sound.

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so he just wants to eliminate the GOVERNMENT of israel, not the land itself... so if the US launches a nuclear strike at tehran we are just eliminating the regime of ahmedinejhad and his Bugnuts Beard Brigade of "clerics" so thats OK right?

of course it is, we never said we wanted to destroy iran, just everything that makes iran iranian...

you dont even hear how ridiculous you sound.

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Lool hes talking about the genocidal, oppressive regime needs to change not about bombing Israel again twisting words. And where is the quote where hes said hes going to use violence against Israel? Hes never threatened to bomb Israel, its the other way round. Israel has assassinated scientist and tried to sabotage its peaceful nuclear program by using viruses such as Stuxnet. Also Israel has threatened to attack Iran countless times.
Yet your complaining about Iran which has been attacked by Israel allegedly threatening Israel which it never even done in the first place. Like I said double standards.

smok3y1 said:

Lool hes talking about the genocidal, oppressive regime needs to change not about bombing Israel again twisting words. And where is the quote where hes said hes going to use violence against Israel? Hes never threatened to bomb Israel, its the other way round. Israel has assassinated scientist and tried to sabotage its peaceful nuclear program by using viruses such as Stuxnet. Also Israel has threatened to attack Iran countless times.
Yet your complaining about Iran which has been attacked by Israel allegedly threatening Israel which it never even done in the first place. Like I said double standards.

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you really are hilarious. i ignored you for a while but your rampant stupidity is just too tempting to resist. let me tell you exactly what i am saying with no flowery phrases or double entendres.

ahmedinejhad decalred and i quote directly from http://rtpricetag.home.comcast.net/~rtpricetag/Hagee.html:

[FONT=Arial Narrow, Helvetica Narrow][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad." [/FONT][/FONT]

which they translate as follows:
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"The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from). "

this is the full context of the words you claim are misinterpreted.

well your accepted, received and celebrated translation is even worse in english.

those words in english literally and without editorializing mean:

Ayatollah Khomeini said that the organization occupying Jerusalem must be removed from the pages of history (you always leave out the "and this was a wise thing" part)

thus we can ascribe to the ayatollah khomeini and his adherent ahmedinejhad who declares the statement to be WISE! the following motivations:

the government and constitution of the nation of israel MUST (note the imperative command) be eliminated, and made as if it never existed (lifted/scrubbed from the pages of time/history) thus the entire nation of israel would by necessity NEVER HAVE EXISTED! [/FONT][/FONT]this is no more benign and peaceful in farsi arabic or hebrew than it is in english. or do you propose i am again misinterpreting the wise words of ayatollah khomeini as related and repeated by machmoud ahmedinejhad?

perhaps you mistakenly believe ahmedinejhad simply desires an end to israel's zionism? israel is defined by zionism. you might as well demand the US give up its constitutional representative republic, or iran surrender it's sharia courts.

the statement of khomeini can be dismissed as the ravings of a religious nutcase, but when repeated by the "president" of a retrograde, belligerent and consistently hostile nation followed immediately by "and this is a wise thing" suddenly it loses all of the quaintness and backwards charm and becomes an open threat and exhortation to violence.

in the 1956 nikita khrushchev is said to have told the western powers, "We will bury you." this is of course not what he said. that was a translation. what he actually said in russian was "History is on our side, we shall dig you in" this phrase has no meaning in english, but in russia it means "we will dig your grave" with the implied second clause "and fill it in after you". this is not considered in russian to be a promise of a propper and respectful burial after you expire from natural causes at the age of 150 surrounded by your great grandchildren... it is considered an open and deliberate threat of death. the russians tried to backpeddal away from the statements as well,, and failed miserably they only succeeded in making themselves look both foolish and impulsive in diplomacy, and reckless but cowardly in their military stance.

ahemdinejhad is making the same silly blunder. and you are lapping it up. this is amusing indeed.

Dr Kynes said:

you really are hilarious. i ignored you for a while but your rampant stupidity is just too tempting to resist. let me tell you exactly what i am saying with no flowery phrases or double entendres.

ahmedinejhad decalred and i quote directly from http://rtpricetag.home.comcast.net/~rtpricetag/Hagee.html:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

which they translate as follows:

"The full quote translated directly to English:

"The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

Word by word translation:

Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from). "

this is the full context of the words you claim are misinterpreted.

well your accepted, received and celebrated translation is even worse in english.

those words in english literally and without editorializing mean:

Ayatollah Khomeini said that the organization occupying Jerusalem must be removed from the pages of history (you always leave out the "and this was a wise thing" part)

thus we can ascribe to the ayatollah khomeini and his adherent ahmedinejhad who declares the statement to be WISE! the following motivations:

the government and constitution of the nation of israel MUST (note the imperative command) be eliminated, and made as if it never existed (lifted/scrubbed from the pages of time/history) thus the entire nation of israel would by necessity NEVER HAVE EXISTED! this is no more benign and peaceful in farsi arabic or hebrew than it is in english. or do you propose i am again misinterpreting the wise words of ayatollah khomeini as related and repeated by machmoud ahmedinejhad?

perhaps you mistakenly believe ahmedinejhad simply desires an end to israel's zionism? israel is defined by zionism. you might as well demand the US give up its constitutional representative republic, or iran surrender it's sharia courts.

the statement of khomeini can be dismissed as the ravings of a religious nutcase, but when repeated by the "president" of a retrograde, belligerent and consistently hostile nation followed immediately by "and this is a wise thing" suddenly it loses all of the quaintness and backwards charm and becomes an open threat and exhortation to violence.

in the 1956 nikita khrushchev is said to have told the western powers, "We will bury you." this is of course not what he said. that was a translation. what he actually said in russian was "History is on our side, we shall dig you in" this phrase has no meaning in english, but in russia it means "we will dig your grave" with the implied second clause "and fill it in after you". this is not considered in russian to be a promise of a propper and respectful burial after you expire from natural causes at the age of 150 surrounded by your great grandchildren... it is considered an open and deliberate threat of death. the russians tried to backpeddal away from the statements as well,, and failed miserably they only succeeded in making themselves look both foolish and impulsive in diplomacy, and reckless but cowardly in their military stance.

ahemdinejhad is making the same silly blunder. and you are lapping it up. this is amusing indeed.

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Ahhhhh so now you've changed your mind about what he said lool told you you're a retard. I thought you said before Ahmedinejad said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map and insulted me multiple times about it because you thought I was wrong.
Hes talking about the current genocidal regime should be gone in to the pages of history and a new Israeli regime that actually treats the Palestinians as human beings should take its place. Nothing wrong with that. Especially when you consider the threats and attacks on Iran by Israel.

smok3y1 said:

Ahhhhh so now you've changed your mind about what he said lool told you you're a retard. I thought you said before Ahmedinejad said he wanted to wipe Israel off the map and insulted me multiple times about it because you thought I was wrong.
Hes talking about the current genocidal regime should be gone in to the pages of history and a new Israeli regime that actually treats the Palestinians as human beings should take its place. Nothing wrong with that. Especially when you consider the threats and attacks on Iran by Israel.

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no. again you are colouring easily ascertainable facts with the broad crayon strokes of your desire to be correct.

khomeini says self explanitory

this regime occupying jerusalem this can only mean the state of israel, not the zionist regime since they are one and the same

must be simple imperative command

Lifted/scrubbed/vanished eliminated, destroyed, purged, removed etc...

From the pages of time/history made as if it never was this phrase has very little meaning in english, the closest vernacular form to this idea is "wiped off the face of the map"

And This is a Wise thing also self explanatory.

this is quite simply exactly what he said, and how it is translated from farsi to english. the iranians themselves used this phraseology numerous times, so you will not "win" this argument.

its not even an argument, you have no leg to stand on. you are shouting at the moon and cursing the stars for not illuminating your path sufficiently. this is folly.

Like I said your wrong again. Its exactly what I was saying:
"Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project noted in 2007 that Ahmadinejad "never... uttered the words 'map,' 'wipe out,' or even 'Israel'" in his statement. Rather, he argued, the translation should have been that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." (Both The Washington Post and The Atlantic came up with similarly variant translations.)

This is a key difference, Mr. Norouzi argued, because Ahmadinejad used the "vanish from the page of time" idiom elsewhere in his speech: when describing the governments of the Shah of Iran, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein. While war and revolution were involved in the three regimes' collapse, none of them, Norouzi argued, were "wiped off the map." Rather, they underwent regime change. This suggests in turn, he said, that Ahmadinejad was calling for regime change in Israel, not nuclear genocide."

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0608/Iran-s-nuclear-program-4-things-you-probably-didn-t-know/President-Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-never-said-that-Israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map.

smok3y1 said:

Like I said your wrong again. Its exactly what I was saying:
"Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project noted in 2007 that Ahmadinejad "never... uttered the words 'map,' 'wipe out,' or even 'Israel'" in his statement. Rather, he argued, the translation should have been that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." (Both The Washington Post and The Atlantic came up with similarly variant translations.)

This is a key difference, Mr. Norouzi argued, because Ahmadinejad used the "vanish from the page of time" idiom elsewhere in his speech: when describing the governments of the Shah of Iran, the Soviet Union, and Saddam Hussein. While war and revolution were involved in the three regimes' collapse, none of them, Norouzi argued, were "wiped off the map." Rather, they underwent regime change. This suggests in turn, he said, that Ahmadinejad was calling for regime change in Israel, not nuclear genocide."

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2012/0608/Iran-s-nuclear-program-4-things-you-probably-didn-t-know/President-Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-never-said-that-Israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map.

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that would be a fine and logical argument, had the iranian regime used the exact same language many times on banners hanging from government buildings,, propaganda posters in public streets throughout iran, and even painted on missiles during military parades. the words were in farsi, with the english translation listed below with the phrases:


"Israel should be wiped off the face of the world "


"Israel must be wiped of the map"

why dont you look at them this time and ask yourself why these words were accurate enough for the iranian regime, but not for the western press or myself?

I never saw a battle so fierce since I overheard two bible nerds arguing over whether the King James is better since it was more poetic and all Bibles are correct. This is because god's word can't be changed, whether in Hewbrew or English, god wrote it so it was immune to lost in translation.

It was nearly as epic as waiting in line once and this group of nerds were real life, World of Warcraft.

Dr Kynes said:

that would be a fine and logical argument, had the iranian regime used the exact same language many times on banners hanging from government buildings,, propaganda posters in public streets throughout iran, and even painted on missiles during military parades. the words were in farsi, with the english translation listed below with the phrases:

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why dont you look at them this time and ask yourself why these words were accurate enough for the iranian regime, but not for the western press or myself?

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Signs are not evidence. They can be done by anyone at any time. You are only getting desperate and using that as evidence because you can't find legitimate sources that still use that propaganda phrase. Just admit it you are wrong!
Why was the word "rezhim-e" which means regime used then if he was talking about the whole state.
Also why in his speech did he use the phrase "vanish from the page of time" when talking about the Shah of Iran, the Soviet Union and Saddam Hussein. Did Iran, Russia and Iraq get wiped off the map? Answer them points for me because you keep ignoring it.
[video=youtube;KMt8MK_mj8Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMt8MK_mj8Y[/video]

im sure the government in iran just lets anybody who wants to hang signs

Hitler never said he hated Jews either. Some things don't need to be specifically stated in exact words. Its called inference and interpretation. A sentence in Farsi is not constructed of, nor uses exactly interchangeable words as/to English. No one ever said exactly what it says in English, unless they were speaking English. Hell, even then, most politicians need interpretation from their words.

CharlieBud said:

Hitler never said he hated Jews either. Some things don't need to be specifically stated in exact words. Its called inference and interpretation. A sentence in Farsi is not constructed of, nor uses exactly interchangeable words as/to English. No one ever said exactly what it says in English, unless they were speaking English. Hell, even then, most politicians need interpretation from their words.

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But thats just it he has made no threats, there are Jews living peacefully in Iran. So how is he anti-Semitic or wants to kill all Jews?

smok3y1 said:

But thats just it he has made no threats, there are Jews living peacefully in Iran. So how is he anti-Semitic or wants to kill all Jews?

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He capitalizes on regional and global anti-Jewish emotions through veiled rhetoric (in his own language, knowing translation is a shield), by promoting the end of the only existing Jewish Government/Country, by sponsoring Holocaust denying events and publications, by supporting militant groups who endorse the targeting of civilians, and so on. He is the little angry guy yelling on the edge of a fight "kill him!" and buying people knives and guns.

I am 99% sure he would let all the Jews leave Israel if the government disbanded, not shoot them. However, he is not opposed to shooting them all until they do.

Yes, there are Jews in Iran. Mostly Tehran, and mostly quiet about it. Iran is a good place for integrated Jews by comparison to its Arab neighbors. The Persians do not have quite as bad a historical interaction. In fact, its historically worse interaction between Arab and Persian then Persian and Jew.

P.S. If you are truly interested in the Iranian Jews (you seem to like to read) http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/PDF/IranLevin.pdf

so n ow you profane the sacred wisdom of the Great Imam Khomeini by removing the meaning from his words and twisting them into your western mould!! You Shall Burn Infidel!!

see, the mohammedan extremist radicals,, and antisemites will "debate" but only if they control the language and can reinterpret every statement any time they wish. Thier every word is carefully couched in quotes from "sacred wise men" the "holy qu'uran" (holiness under review) and weasel words which can be reshaped on a whim. this is part of the reason international negotiations are conducted in english french or latin. you know,, languages where words have a real meaning, not an amorphous idea which takes any form the asshole on the other side wishes.

the mohammedans in iran love to negotiate, and will compromise on many things as long as they acheive their main goal which is EVERYTHING THEY WANT ALL THE TIME IN EVERY NEGOTIATION! otherwise the opposition is a hate filled evil infidel, and most likely a jew.

my esteemed opponant beliefves that a tiny jewsih community in tehran equates to an overall love tolerance and perhaps even reverence for judaism in general and jews in specific as long as they are not "Zionists" its really hard to imagine a faithful observant jew who does not believe that irael is the promised land. that is kinda thing

smok3y (lol, 3) asserts that this tiny jewish minority absolves ahmedinejhad of his jew hatered, but you know,, there were negroes in the jim crow south, and this did not absolve Governor George "SEGREGATION FOREVER!" Wallace of his racism. i wonder what machmoud would say if a jew married into his family.

smok3y alsio asserts variously:

machmoud didnt say it, he was quoting ayatollah khomeini!
machmoud never used the exact english words delivered in the style of William F Buckley (received pronunciation and the Boston Brahmin accent)
machmoud never specifically declared he was talking about israel
machmoud was talking about the zionist regime
machmoud doesnt hate jews

he forgets, machmoud is a sock puppet. the hand up his ass makes his mouth movce, and that hand is was and always shall be the secretive and hate filled mullahs of iran's "Committee of Experts."

machmoud quoted khomneini who is a noted proponent of israel's destruction as a nation, and the elimination of all non dhimmi jews (note the jews in iran are dhimmis, a subservient class who must follow special restrictions and pay special taxes) which includes all jews not subservient to an islamic overlord or the caliphate.

machmoud quoted khomeini and finished it up with the part smok3y refuses to acknowledge, "And This Is A Wise Thing!" so i am done arguing with this mental midget for now. perhaps i shall return to milk this Lol-Cow later but for now, my thirst is slaked by the creamy goodness from his swollen leaky teats.

Many things like this are hidden from history: http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/us-troops-massacre-over-120-civilians-in-farah-afghanistan/

So-called Islamic governments aren't doing much to help their people either.

Islam said:

Many things like this are hidden from history: http://therearenosunglasses.wordpress.com/2009/05/09/us-troops-massacre-over-120-civilians-in-farah-afghanistan/

So-called Islamic governments aren't doing much to help their people either.

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this is unfortunate, tragic,, and an unavoidable consequence of the talib's sheltering of osama bin laden. there is no good reason for these people's deaths. they had no hand in bin laden's shenanigans, nor the talib's regime, they were vioctims their entire lives of russian aggression, talib oppression, and finally the crossfire when the US came for the talibs and their "Guest" bin laden.

as sad and tragic as any innocent person's death may be, and the startling scope of this particular incident the only counter proposal to violence would be surrender to violence.

innocent peasants with no choice in their political and religious overlords died when mohammed besieged mecca, and when he slaughrtered the jews who refused to submit in arabia, and in the mountains of spain when the moors invaded 1000 years ago, and at the walls of vienna when the ottoman advance was finally halted by violent resistance. this is not new, and it will never stop as long as one group pushes for diminion over others.

Dr Kynes said:

this is unfortunate, tragic,, and an unavoidable consequence of the talib's sheltering of osama bin laden. there is no good reason for these people's deaths. they had no hand in bin laden's shenanigans, nor the talib's regime, they were vioctims their entire lives of russian aggression, talib oppression, and finally the crossfire when the US came for the talibs and their "Guest" bin laden.

as sad and tragic as any innocent person's death may be, and the startling scope of this particular incident the only counter proposal to violence would be surrender to violence.

innocent peasants with no choice in their political and religious overlords died when mohammed besieged mecca, and when he slaughrtered the jews who refused to submit in arabia, and in the mountains of spain when the moors invaded 1000 years ago, and at the walls of vienna when the ottoman advance was finally halted by violent resistance. this is not new, and it will never stop as long as one group pushes for diminion over others.

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Religion is vastly over-exaggerated to the point where doing things that are not religious becomes socially acceptable- people look for ways to add on to what has been revealed to them. EXAMPLE: Nowhere in the Quran does God say that music is prohibited, yet you see some stupid Imams warn you against listening to it or you will go to hell- they bring to account corrupted hadeeths that were compiled 200 years after the prophet Muhammad died, most are filled with lies and are contradictory to the Quran.

Post the renaissance people were being killed for questioning Christianity and doing things that were presumed as being contradictory to Christianity. We have a similar scenario in corrupted Islamic countries that imply severe, unethical totalitarian practices. A man in Afghanistan was going to be killed for wanting to worship Christ, yet the Quran states clearly that there is no compulsion in religion. In the name of religion and government people have been fooled into thinking extremist views are ideally religious. Extremism is present in Afghanistan, it's present in America, it's present in almost all parts of the world. People are a problem, people will continue to be the problem and people keep getting stupider.

The Bible clearly states that Jesus only worshipped God, yet a majority of Christians call Jesus God, assuming he is omnipotent and has mortal borders at the same time- clearly contradictory. Jesus fell flat on his face and worshipped God in an ignored Bible verse. So if millions of Christians believe Jesus is God, then why is it surprising to see extremism in Islam? The ego is dangerous, and following a majority with no proof of their intentions is also very, very dangerous.

the koran does include a variety of compulsions, particularly for my sort.

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

or these loving verses in which mohammed discusses the many villages who were ordered to convert become dhimmi or be put to the sword:

[22.38] Surely Allah will defend those who believe; surely Allah does not love any one who is unfaithful, ungrateful.
[22.39] Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them;
[22.40] Those who have been expelled from their homes without a just cause except that they say: Our Lord is Allah. And had there not been Allah's repelling some people by others, certainly there would have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques in which Allah's name is much remembered; and surely Allah will help him who helps His cause; most surely Allah is Strong, Mighty.
[22.41] Those who, should We establish them in the land, will keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and enjoin good and forbid evil; and Allah's is the end of affairs.
[22.42] And if they reject you, then already before you did the people of Nuh and Ad and Samood reject (prophets).
[22.43] And the people of Ibrahim and the people of Lut,
[22.44] As well as those of Madyan and Musa (too) was rejected, but I gave respite to the unbelievers, then did I overtake them, so how (severe) was My disapproval.
[22.45] So how many a town did We destroy while it was unjust, so it was fallen down upon its roofs, and (how many a) deserted well and palace raised high.
[22.46] Have they not travelled in the land so that they should have hearts with which to understand, or ears with which to hear? For surely it is not the eyes that are blind, but blind are the hearts which are in the breasts.
[22.47] And they ask you to hasten on the punishment, and Allah will by no means fail in His promise, and surely a day with your Lord is as a thousand years of what you number.
[22.48] And how many a town to which I gave respite while it was unjust, then I overtook it, and to Me is the return.
[22.49] Say: O people! I am only a plain warner to you.
[22.50] Then (as for) those who believe and do good, they shall have forgiveness and an honorable sustenance.
[22.51] And (as for) those who strive to oppose Our communications, they shall be the inmates of the flaming fire.


no compulsion here:

[2.279] But if you do (it) not, then be apprised ofwar from Allah and His Apostle; and if you repent, then you shall have your capital; neither shall you make (the debtor) suffer loss, nor shall you be made to suffer loss.

[5.33] The punishment of those who wagewar against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,

as a polytheist i fall under the category of "those who make war upon allah and his prophet", and you will never succeed in convincing me that my gods are wrong because mohammed made up a different one.

The Bible says: atheists are fools, it's ok to have sex with your daughter and it's better for bandits to rape and kill your daughter rather than subject Angels to homosexual acts. Sounds like my kind of religion, fuck Allah, go Yaweh!