Hydroponic Perpetual Grow Community

sparkafire

Well-Known Member
Gentlemen;

It has been an honor to have grown both as a grower and teacher with you here on RIU but i think its time to roll the last one. I have made a lot of great friends and a few dumbass enemies "fuckem" and i just think its time to get on with it. I am really proud of the fact that the core group here has really stepped up and have become very knowledgeable and are way better at giving advise than I am. I have watched your grows become ones that people come here to learn from and that guys is something to be proud of. I know if i was just starting out i would come to these threads to learn how although i might not get along with bugs because he is kind of an ass!! LOL

Remember everyone READING + RESEARCHING = REWARDS

Dont make me come back and fuckin remind you of it!!

Your friend in green

Sparky :weed:

 

grandpabear3

New Member
sparky......wtf......you leavin' like al? for good or just not growin anymore? i have been wondering if you were gonna split since you arent around as much as us losers. i still hate you but i will miss you terribly(insert homo joke here) if you leave. well whatever you do i hope it brings you and your family wealth and happiness. if your ever in africa look me up.
 

K1Ng5p4d3

Junior Creatologist
Wuddupguys!!

just sqwinging by to say hey, n let you guys know that my mothers are growing, and ill be starting my perpetualness pretty soon. Gypsy, you really got some fuckin DANK NUGS goin on man, n im proud to say that your my homeboy :D hopefully i can get some nuggets as greasy n crystal covered as yours are real soon here man. Beautiful pics!!

So, i dont know if you read my last post or not, but i cant do dro once again, because i overshot my budget on equipment, since i moved into the new house, i had to spend a shit ton of cash of little odds n ends to make the wife happy, so it didnt look like we lived in 200 sq ft of emptiness, lol. Anyways, i DID however decide to progress even farther, and make my way to hydro, by choosing to make my medium relatively soilless, in a manner of speaking. Well, not soilLESS, but not much soil. Im usiing 2parts Perlite (FF big n chunky), 1 part vermiculite, and 1 part pro mix. then with the cottonseed meal added in right before potting, i figure that my results should be pretty well, at least IMO. This is just one step closer to my dream of having the ideal AL B. setup, using 4 4x4 flood tables (i already have one table - i originally had two, but i had to trade up one of them, along with a couple of the smaller wattage lights that i had, so i could afford to pick up another 1000w setup, and a 4ft carbon filter, lol!).

--so heres the setup - ill be using my original growtent for my mommies (5 moms in total --The Church, Sputnik, Dj Short Blueberry, Sour P, and i cant fuckin remember what the damn other one was, i gotta check my labels again, lol), and then i have a 10x10 area sectioned off, and tarped up. over each 5x5 area i have a 1000w Agromax complete system (ballast, bulbs, and solar six hood(a/c) ), and ill have 20 plants growing in each section, which will represent 10 plants in each stage of growth. So i guess itll actually be 4 sections, lol, but itll only be taped off as two sections, and itll be up to me to label everything correctly, hehe. On the side of my mother tent ill have a lil space sectioned off for my clones, which ill use to take 10 clones every two weeks. So even though the method im using is a little less accurate and precise than an ebb n flow setup would be, i think that as long as im using 6-8 wk strains, i should be pretty well on the mark, in getting a harvest every 2-3 wks.

Im thinking about doing something a little different though.. Im also thinking about figuring out a way to veg the plants for 2 wks maybe, so that i can top them maybe once, and give them a chance to get big, so that i can get more weight off of each plant. Do you (or you guys) think thats a bad idea, and ill actually get more than what ill need from 10 plants every two weeks? im looking to get anywhere in the area of 1/2 lb + per harvest, i just dont know if thatll cut the mustard with my grow method, seeing as im not doing 20+ plants per run, and its not hydroponic. Sorry if im babbling, i guess im looking for you guys opinions more than i am actually explaining how im going to do things.

If anybody has any advice to give that has experience with perpetual growth, please let me know. This will be my first attempt at sustaining perpetual harvests, so if anybody has any feedback on a way i can achieve my goal a little bit better, i am very receptive, and willing to make adjustments, as i have only begun to build my setup, due to inspectors coming by for gas, electric, and landlords and such. But thats all done now, and i can be left to my own devices for the next year, dialing in my technique and getting used to constantly having a harvest to deal with. Please, any advice would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to hit me up here, or in my journal, or even PM me, it doesnt matter. Im trying to read as much as i can, and learn as much as i can from all of you guys who have been growing perpetual for a long time, and i think im ready to take it on...it just sucks that i couldnt go hydroponic. I spent a couple weeks shopping around, trying to find suitable replacements just for the flood tables, but i couldnt think of anything good enough or sturdy enough to replace a 4x4 flood table, so i said screw it, and went with the growbags again. My choice in medium should get me a little closer to where i want to be in yield and precision, but i know that its just not the same. I was even looking at prefabbed sandboxes to buy as a replacement, lol, but theyre just as expensive as the tables, so i had to just put it off for a couple runs, until i can afford to pick up the proper equipment.

--sorry Gyps man, i know you wanted me to go hydro just as bad as i want to aswell, but putting it off for one or two runs until i can get 3 more tables is the smart move. Just a few short months and ill be there. I already got truncheons (ph n ec), pumps, rez's, tubing, tthe conical drill bit to drill my own holes in the tables, stands, and pretty much everything else i need to go hydroponic, but the tables man, i just dont wanna skimp on the quality. I know your probably gonna say build my own, lol, but im so limited at this point, i cant even buy the woood and supplies i would need to do that, lol. So i got what i need to start up a nice perpetual grow, and the cash i have left is to live off of for now, but ive already started saving up to improve the setup, and ill continue to stack money away over the months, so that i can do the damn thing right.

bah, sorry about that everyone. I know thats an awful lot to read, but its been about 3 wks since ive posted a rreal post on RIU, and i needed to let everyone know whats goin on, so i could get that feedback. Usually i come on here n confer with you guys before i go out n make descisions on my own, but this time since i knew that what i was doing would work, and i didnt have the ability to come on here at the time, i had to do it on my own. So like i said, any type of feedbback would be awesome guys.

Take it easy :D

-K1
 

GypsyBush

Well-Known Member
one thing I would do is set up the one table you have...

Don't do like last time...

I bet you have most parts at home already...

Man up and go dro... :bigjoint:
 

K1Ng5p4d3

Junior Creatologist
yeah i got all the parts n everything i need for all four tables, except for the tables themselves, lol. So yeah ill probably end up setting up the one table just for kicks. N it aint about mannin up ya bastard, lol - them fuckin tables are 110 bucks a piece, n i just ran outta cheddar right before i had to buy them bitches man. I spent fuckin 2300 bucks on everything man, n the piggy bank just went dry, lol.

I mean, i even picked up a bluelab Truncheon, and a bluelab-type truncheon-type ph meter too man. I was ready to do the damn thing, it just kinda worked out to happen this way. But not to worry, im only gonna do a run or two, n then just replace the growbags with all four tables. Im even tarping offf my area so itll fit the tables once i buy them fuckers.

Dont worry brudda, im takin the plunge, im no longer scared to go dro, i have most of the know-how, and now all i need is the missing piece tto my equipment. After reading shit from your journal, shit i read way back from Wolfmans journal, and ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of AL B.'s journal, along with various other journals (yours too Bugz, lol), i really think i can do the damn thing, i just wanna make sure that if im gonna do it im gonna do it right. I know most everybody says that buying the prefabbed shit is for suckers, and i agree with that for the most part, but i dont wanna skimp on the tables themselves. Hard sturdy plastic, prefabbed to the dimensions i need, with the textured bottom so puddles arent a problem after draineage - 100 bucks a table aint too bad when all u need to do is plug your tubing in and off you go man.

--One thing i was thinkin about doing too, once i get the tables, is similar to your setup. I may just fill the tables up with hydroton, and plant my bitches like that. But thats for another conversation man, i just wanted to say im doing dro, and nothings gonna stop me, its just gonna take one run's time to get everything i need to go completely perpetual hydroponically. But yeah im gonna end up setting up the one table to get the hang of things, lol.
 

K1Ng5p4d3

Junior Creatologist
sounds good man, eeven though it sucks that your nugs wont be ready by 420, theyll at least be ready in that general timeframe, which is perfect for you know where. man, its gonna be one crazy fuckin summer man, ill tell you that much for sure!!

-so yeah, right now im trying to think about all of this shit. I just found out that its not a 100% dry basement, so im going to have to do something about that for when it rains really bad around here. Im thinkin that as long as i tarp up the floor, and make sure that i caulk the cracks in the walls up as much as possible, n then throw a nice big fuckin dehumidifier down there, then i should be ok -- n wouldnt ya know it? theres a fuckin HUGE dehumidifier that was in the workshop in the garage when i rented the house!! i gotta remember to thank the landlord for savin me a couple hundo, lol. So now im thinking about getting one of those 500 cfm small fans from htg for 40 bucks, and replace the fan thats in my tent that ill be using for the mothers, so i can use THAT fan for the main room. This way i can have a seperate fan scrubbing air, and then another fan for cooling off the Agros. Im sure itd be a good idea, considering that the basement really sucks as far as holding indoor temps, lol. Right now its like 40 degrees down there, so im assuming that once summer hits that temps are gonna hit upper 90's easily with the lights down there, maybe even over 100. But fuck it, im sure ill handle that speed bump once i run it over man. I just wanna get the first couple runs out of the way, so i can get the feeel for things.

So i taped off the floor in the basement today, to basically figure out where im gonna put everything. Im only using half the basement for the op, and the wife wants to use the other half for a washer/dryer setup, which we dont have. YET, lol. So the dimensions are 10x10, with rafters everywhere that are PERFECT for hanging light mounts and fan mounts, n then ill worry about wrapping the hoods in IR block, or something along those lines to hide the heat signature, but theres no way in hell i woulda been able to afford to panda film/mylar the whole basement, so i picked up tarping that was meant for an outdoor canopy. Its four 10x8 sheets of white tarping, that all have a zipper in the middle, so im thinking about completely enclosing the area, so all i have to do is unzip it to get in. once i have everything tarped up, im gonna do the floor too with vinyl painters tarping, and then ill set up the lighting. 1 1000w light for each 5x10 area, which should do perfectly, since i wont even be using the whole 5x5 space in each section, since im only going to do 10-12 plants per cloning run. The very first run of clones is going to be a mix of all of the plants, because then ill be able to start alot sooner, just topping the plants once which will give me 5 clones, and then topping them again a week later, which would give me another 10 clones. That will be enough for me to get everything going, and then ill be able to wait the 2 1/2 - 3 wks between runs to do a proper clone run each time of an individual strain. Im just using my ORIGINAL setup for the clones, just the two 4' plant n aquarium bulbs, along with my 8 100w equivalent CFLs should cut the mustard n be enough to help the clones take root.

Once each clone takes root over the two wk period (im gonna turn my old GH waterfarm into a cloner, since i wont be keeping the clones in there for long, it should be big enough to clone up 10 cramped ass clones at least, lol -- im gonna plug up the bottom of the bucket, and turn it into a DWC cloner bucket instead of the shitty drip bucket that it is), then ill be switching off from hydro to soil-ish mix. one part pro mix, two parts perlite, one part vermiculite, and 1/8 part cottonseed meal, all mixed up in a giant 70 gallon rubbermaid bin, and disbursed amongst my 3 gallon growbags. Using such a soil-light mix should give me enough of an edge to where ill be able to get similar results to a hydro set up, even though its still very much NOT hydro. BUT im pretty sure that by using so much perlite Vs promix, that ill be able to get pretty reliably consistent results, at least in theory, lol.

So everything is an 8 wk strain, The final mother descision was The Church, Sputnik #1, Dj Short BlueBerry, Yumboldt 47, and sour p. I also decided to plant another Whiteberry mother, since i loved it so much last run, i really wanna keep it around. Its a 6-7 wk strain, and should be very rewarding to grow her perpetually. Anyways, time for Jacobs bedtime, so ill holler at you guys in a little bit to finish this though out. I know, not only am i back, but im still typing fuckin a thesis everytime i post, lol. I cant help it man, i got a shitload to talk about and its all cropped up in my head from 3 wks of not being able to talk about a god damn thing. Anyways, ill holler :D
 

grandpabear3

New Member
well king......damn......your thorough,lol and longwinded....you remind me of al
oh and i'll support you on the prefabbed "shit" i love all my overpriced shit that NEVER fails and is always perfect but let the hippies build their flood tables out of modeling clay while we harvest. :P

man your a talker.....lol
 

K1Ng5p4d3

Junior Creatologist
lol i know dude, ive been away for somethin like almost a month, so i got alot of catchin up to do in the ways of updating people on things, but with that said, even when i was here every day i had a problem keepin things short, lol. But yeah man, i can see buying cheap to build everything else i need, like stands, rez's, and anything else, but thhe tables themselves, im gonna want them to work for me for at least a year or two worth of harvests, so quality is the only way to go. :D

over the next couple days im gonna get started on setting up my basement, so ill probably end up takin some pics of the process, so they can speak for themselves instead of me having to draw the mental picture, lol. But enough of that for now, just wanted to say wuddup, n i hope you guys dont mind if i hang out in here, n pick your brains a bit man, This is kind of a vital transition for me, so all the help i can get to make it go as smooth as possible, id be forever grateful for.

--n my son musta been trying to hump the laptop while i was typing my last post, cuz it was actually supposed to end up in my journal instead of here. My bad lol :wall:
 
I would like to go truly perpetual with my grow with a harvest every two weeks, right now I'm trying to havest every two months by rotating between three ebb and flow systems... two of them are under fluoros and cfls and the third is under a 400w HPS for flowering... I haven't quite got it all setup the way I want just yet. The ideal picture in my mind of the setup i have now was to start my rooted clones in one with a weaker nute solution for about a month, then move them to the next veg bin with a stronger solution for another month, with the third set flowering for two months...instead of keeping mothers I veg under the HPS for two weeks to really strengthen the stems and take clones from there for the first veg bin... Or at least thats the way i thought it out ... It hasn't exactly been on my planned schedule but its progressing through trial and error.
 

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DeweyKox

Well-Known Member
Sounds like a plan! I harvest about every 3 weeks(soon 2 weeks) on one table at 1400ppm from clone to harvest with no isuues. :)
 
the one thing that has thrown my schedule off is the fact that my girl wanted to learn how to grow too... so i have a few seedlings from bagseed and even some tomato seedlings growing for her taking up space in my cloning area... but hey its all good... I was just going to try and flower all the unsexed seedlings at the same time... maybe even get a few good moms out of the batch!
 
yeah i think I need some new moms, in the process of switching to hydro I probably killed a good thirty clones from four mothers... I had a bitch of a time figuring out how to clone in rockwool...It was much easier for me cloning in soil... I ended up caught in between and have recently found some success using jiffy peat pellets and hydroton
 
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