Hyroot's ROLS No Till

You posted at 4:20am I know what your doing before work...the AM 4:20 sessions are great, most people don't get that one as much(at least for wake and bake). Also means fresh doughnuts just came out of the over at the doughnut shop too!

This was my wake and bake.

I love the video, stepping it up. You really got things back on track in record time. Your NLxOG#2 is my pick for the super keeper. Whats your favorite thing you have right now?
 
tags420 said:
You posted at 4:20am I know what your doing before work...the AM 4:20 sessions are great, most people don't get that one as much(at least for wake and bake). Also means fresh doughnuts just came out of the over at the doughnut shop too!

This was my wake and bake.

I love the video, stepping it up. You really got things back on track in record time. Your NLxOG#2 is my pick for the super keeper. Whats your favorite thing you have right now?
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I didn't even notice it was at 4:20. I did take a couple snaps of some outdo nl which is freezer cured in my frost free freezer.. No dougnuts. I made pancakes. I made batter from scratch last night...

When I did the seeds of nl x og, pheno 3 was my fav. This round the one #3 in there had some problems. Buds are dank. But small yield. #2 seems to be where it's at this round. Mostly #2 in there. The cheese berry grows giant buds... I will be flowering the cheese og seed next round. I have a seed cheese og outside that is almost done and the 2 party cup ones too. The Outdo one is so dank and frosty. Filling out more and chunking up more than I expected considering it only gety 6-7 hours of direct sunlight and it was overcast the last 2 days. Its hot and sunny today..

Also when these plants were brought here. The plants sat in plastic 2 gal pots for way too long before they got here. Each plant had 1 -3 main branches break off in the move. Plus the spider mite issues I had.

Next round will be a better judge of strains. I'm vegging these ones and my way too. I should have the allstart 860 cmh in less than 3 weeks too...




NickNasty said:
I get 40lbs of alfalfa meal for 12-15$ from Tractor Supply.
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There's nothing like that around here. I don't live in farm country.. The nurseries even only carry dr. earth and fox farm. I go to the other side of town, 20 - 30 min drive to buy anything. For crab meal I drive 3 times further







Im going to order that coast of maine lobster mix next time. Add some more kelp meal on top. Compare that to crab meal

http://www.coastofmaine.com/fertilizers-lobster_kelp.shtml

http://www.coastofmaine.com/fertilizers-lobster_kelp.shtml
 
Nick nasty always on it. I have a TS nearby thnx. I don't tust lobster compost at all. Chitin and gnats at two hydro shops..makes no sense! I'll stick to crab shell meal, neem, and BTIs. Anyone know where to get bulk kelp meal or a good commercial compost?
 
GreenSanta said:
what is better cmh or led? my friends are all blown away with my buds under leds ... but since i know what i am doing thats all i have ever used ,... those cmh are pretty affordable compared to leds ... bulbs are good for 1 year?
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Brother GreenSanta Ive Never Heard Of A Great Led Grower Going Back To Hid.Alot Of Us Cmh Growers Are Now Led Growers And The Reason Are Still the Same.Now With That Said I Still Get A Woody For The 860 Cmh But I Dont See 1 In My Future.But Hell Go For It Brother You Will Love The Resluts With It :bigjoint:
hyroot said:
the bulbs are good for at least 2 years . Since they have a ceramic arc instead of aluminum like hps. CMH are more resistant to degrading. Will last 2-3 times longer than hps. The 330's and the 400w CMH have 1.5 year warranty. The 860 allstarts have a 2 year warranty. Any mag ballast has 5-7 year warranty. It would take 6 a51 sgs 160 panels to match the par of an 860 allstart and 6 a51's would be 930 watts.... 70 watts more.
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Brother Hyroot You Statement Is Very Missleading With Correct Information.I Belive 1 860 Allstart In A Graviton Hood Has A Foot Print Of A 4X4 And 6 Sgs-160 Would Be Enough For 8 2x4 Scrogged Plants In A 5X10 Tent.Plus This Would Give You A Canopy That Has A Consistant Umol's Over The Entire Canopy :weed:
 
The Dawg said:
Brother Hyroot You Statement Is Very Missleading With Correct Information.I Belive 1 860 Allstart In A Graviton Hood Has A Foot Print Of A 4X4 And 6 Sgs-160 Would Be Enough For 8 2x4 Scrogged Plants In A 5X10 Tent.Plus This Would Give You A Canopy That Has A Consistant Umol's Over The Entire Canopy :weed:
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Im not referring to foot print just par ratings. The 860 is 2200 + µmole/s at 12 inches away. 1838 µmole/s at 32 inches away. EH said it would take 4 sg's to make 1800 µmole/s at 12 inches when they first came out. Im going to be doing it vert bare bulb. So imagine the possibilities... The 860 has the highest par rating of any light on the market.. At a cost of less than $250 for the whole set up. Runs as cool as a 600.. 2 year warranty on the bulb and 5 year on the ballast..
 
RedCarpetMatches said:
Nick nasty always on it. I have a TS nearby thnx. I don't tust lobster compost at all. Chitin and gnats at two hydro shops..makes no sense! I'll stick to crab shell meal, neem, and BTIs. Anyone know where to get bulk kelp meal or a good commercial compost?
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Your hydro shops should be able to special order the bulk kelp meal its like 80-90$ thou for 40-50 lbs.
Also RCM the alfalfa comes in pellets as horse feed just add a bit of water and it will expand.
 
hyroot said:
Im not referring to foot print just par ratings. The 860 is 2200 + umole/s at 12 inches away. 1838 umole/s at 32 inches away. EH said it would take 4 sg's to make 1800 umole/s at 12 inches when they first came out. Im going to be doing it vert bare bulb. So imagine the possibilities... The 860 has the highest par rating of any light on the market.. At a cost of less than $250 for the whole set up. Runs as cool as a 600.. 2 year warranty on the bulb and 5 year on the ballast..
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Gavita pro 1000 DEs have the best PAR I thought. http://www.gavita-holland.com/index...ormance-lighting/item/gavita-pro-1000-de.html Only prob is you cant vert, but it's the best.
 
Whats the bet..? The 860 still has higher par at 12 inches than the given µmole/s of the gavita. read through tags thread where he posted his back and forth emails with gavita.
 
I chopped the smaller outdo cheese og. Smells great. Fruity candy and gouda cheese. The water leaves were frosty too. Buds were kind of small. That one finished in 7 weeks of flowering. But the first 3 weeks I had alot work happening at my place. So I had to hide them and they got less light. Causing to finish early. The other one outside is getting full schedule. The pheno I have indoor may be replacing the cheese berry.... We'll see.. The indoor pheno branches out more. The outdoor ones fill out better. That's usually the case with all strains.
 
RedCarpetMatches said:
Gavita pro 1000 DEs have the best PAR I thought. http://www.gavita-holland.com/index...ormance-lighting/item/gavita-pro-1000-de.html Only prob is you cant vert, but it's the best.
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hyroot said:
it gives the µmole/s but no distance. So that measurement is probably at the surface of the bulb
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Gavitas can be made to run vert...you just have to rig it yourself which is never as good as factory shit(most of the time).

I have emailed with gavita pretty indepth.
Starts at post 214 if this link doesn't go straight there.
https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/676858-tags-high-efficiency-lighting-garden-22.html

Gavita shows PPF(photosynthetic photon flux)...which is all the light put out by the lamp...this is measure in an integral sphere, where the bulb hangs in the middle about 24" from the walls of the sphere, but this distance really isn't too important...as long as the source isn't too big compared to the sphere's area(there is a rule they use to determine what size sphere for what size light source.). The whole inside is the meter basically. This will tell you how much light is available...but because sit is measure from every direction, it will not exactly show what will be hitting your canopy. Things like reflectors, glass/noglass, hanging height are all factors to how all that PPF horse power will get to the wheels(your canopy).
The readings that hyroot is talking about are PPFD(photosynthetic photon flux DENSITY) readings...meaning they are reading the µmol density for that point in space where the meter is. These takes into account any reflection or other rings outside just the bulbs stats. This will tell you how well the light is actually getting to your canopy.

Both numbers are important and good to look at. PPFD is what we are trying to maximize in the end...but all over the canopy not just center. PPF will show you that there is no way that a light can cover what they say it will if it is wasting all it's possible light(ppf) in the center to make one high PPFD reading(what many led's have done for years).
A lot of PPF spread over the whole area(many good PPFD readings all over canopy)=great light
 
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