if welfare is a trap and makes you a slave on the liberal plantation...

Padawanbater2 said:

I didn't say remove corporations and unions from the face of the Earth, I said remove each of them from influencing politics.
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That's a little different from what you were saying earlier with "removing them from the entire equation".
Now you are implying "isolate them in the equation".

abandonconflict said:
It's like Capitalism with out the Capital.
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There's still capital, just little capitalism. It sounded more like Monopoly/Monopsony to me.
But to be fair, in his correction to the refinement of his initial explanation of his original point, he did mention he meant removing their influence from politics.

Pork... Beans.
Are there many Jewish Mexicans?
 
heckler73 said:
That's a little different from what you were saying earlier with "removing them from the entire equation".
Now you are implying "isolate them in the equation".
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My fault for not expressing it clearly

I don't think there is anything wrong with corporations, making money, or any of that

What I think is wrong is when corporations get so big the law doesn't apply to them, or they can influence political elections with their money [crony capitalism]
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Capitalism without the crony part

Remove corporations and unions from the entire equation. That is real capitalism
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This is real capitalism
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ChesusRice said:
This is real capitalism
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Wrong, that's exploitation of the 3rd world.

Crony capitalism takes place in the western world, which relies on the exploitation of the 3rd world to succeed, not real capitalism.

Real capitalism incentivises production, profit and progress. These people are being exploited for their labor (not so different than America) so a small group of people can benefit.
 
I don't know about all that, but I will say....

If it were common for people to basically go around saying "that poor man, we need to help him because he is too uneducated and inferior to help himself (paraphrased)" I would be more than offended. Somehow liberals have tricked the poor into taking those kind of statements as a good thing.
 
Padawanbater2 said:
Wrong, that's exploitation of the 3rd world.

Crony capitalism takes place in the western world, which relies on the exploitation of the 3rd world to succeed, not real capitalism.

Real capitalism incentivises production, profit and progress. These people are being exploited for their labor (not so different than America) so a small group of people can benefit.
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I can guarantee you there is no union in that shop. Something you have stated you want to get rid of
 
althor said:
I don't know about all that, but I will say....

If it were common for people to basically go around saying "that poor man, we need to help him because he is too uneducated and inferior to help himself (paraphrased)" I would be more than offended. Somehow liberals have tricked the poor into taking those kind of statements as a good thing.
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Who gives a shit what people's intentions are. Help is help.
 
LMFAO, shouldn't you actually know something about working before posting about working?

As a side note, I would love to open up a BBQ joint on the Road to Mecca. Nothing but bacon, BBQ sammiches and cold beer.
 
texasjack said:
Who gives a shit what people's intentions are. Help is help.
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Help that is provided voluntarily is help. "Help" that is provided via a forced extraction is in some part an enslavement.

Trying to rationalize / use a one size fits all utilitarian argument will lead to unintended consequences.
 
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