I'm getting extremely tired of this "medical" front people are using.

"Marijuana leads to homosexuality ... and therefore to AIDS."
- White House Drug Czar Carlton Turner, 1986

"Medicating sounds gay, bro"
 
I don't use the term medicate because im not a medical patient, but i could honestly give a fuck less if some one else makes themselves sound stupid, to pretend that 90% of the people who use it as patients are not using it as medication to alleviate some symptom is ridicules, regardless of whether or not they know they are taking in beneficial medicine they are watch the video, and even if they are not who the fuck are you to judge?

[video=youtube;iksA-DD3990]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iksA-DD3990[/video]
 
I've never referred to it as medicating when it comes to my own personal use, But I really respect those that have chosen to call it such.

They're giving it more meaning than stoners ever have. That's why we're seeing a bigger outbreak of modern day people using cannabis for medicinal purposes. They don't want to tell people they "get high" or "get stoned". Because they're not after the "high" they're after being medicated for whatever symptoms they're using it for. Even if it's as simple as helping the person sleep, They're medicating. I wouldn't call taking Ambien "suckin' down some Amb's man" I would say I'm medicating myself to sleep. Same thing with Cannabis.

I'd rather see the terms "I'm getting high" or "I'm getting lit" disappear way before I would want the term medicating to stop being used as widely. Let's face it here, We're on a path to full legalization and if you show up looking like and sounding like what the world has painted a dumb stoner to look and sound like, You're not going to benefit anything.
 
FlightSchool said:
I've never referred to it as medicating when it comes to my own personal use, But I really respect those that have chosen to call it such.

They're giving it more meaning than stoners ever have. That's why we're seeing a bigger outbreak of modern day people using cannabis for medicinal purposes. They don't want to tell people they "get high" or "get stoned". Because they're not after the "high" they're after being medicated for whatever symptoms they're using it for. Even if it's as simple as helping the person sleep, They're medicating. I wouldn't call taking Ambien "suckin' down some Amb's man" I would say I'm medicating myself to sleep. Same thing with Cannabis.

I'd rather see the terms "I'm getting high" or "I'm getting lit" disappear way before I would want the term medicating to stop being used as widely. Let's face it here, We're on a path to full legalization and if you show up looking like and sounding like what the world has painted a dumb stoner to look and sound like, You're not going to benefit anything.
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I'm out to get baked. I'm alleviating my symptoms of boredom and depression and want to get high. Nothing wrong with that at all. And sorry but most people who have a medical card dont need it to "medicate"
They need it to legally get stoned, and buy from the dispensarie and grow their own

And once you bring it under the auspices of Medicine you bring in the goverment and big pharma who is already trying to break the market with marijuana derivatives
 
@fb360 Ok, I'll play. You've repeatedly said my logic is flawed. Would you please list any and all logical fallacies I've commited? I'm obviously an idiot, so you might need to use some propositional logic to get it through my thick skull. "At the end of reasons comes persuasion"- Wittgenstein.
 
NietzscheKeen said:
@fb360 Ok, I'll play. You've repeatedly said my logic is flawed. Would you please list any and all logical fallacies I've commited? I'm obviously an idiot, so you might need to use some propositional logic to get it through my thick skull. "At the end of reasons comes persuasion"- Wittgenstein.
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You compared alcohol(ethanol; manufactured substance) to a plant indigenous to this planet. If that's not flawed I have no idea what is.
 
NietzscheKeen said:
@fb360 Ok, I'll play. You've repeatedly said my logic is flawed. Would you please list any and all logical fallacies I've commited? I'm obviously an idiot, so you might need to use some propositional logic to get it through my thick skull. "At the end of reasons comes persuasion"- Wittgenstein.
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Each time I stated your logic is flawed I gave the exact reason for saying such. Go back and read why.

But I'll play for one. When you said Adderall is the same as pot in the sense that using it recreationally also brings health benefits was 100% false, and the logic for your argument in that instance is consequently flawed. If your example was factual, your logic would have been fine.

I'm not trying to persuade you. Rather I'm telling you that your logic is flawed, hypocritical, or retarded based upon facts
 
NietzscheKeen said:
Just because something makes you feel good doesn't make it medicine. I guess I could start referring to Johnny Walker Black as "medicine" cuz I feel better when I drink than when I don't. I'm sure that 95% of you people that "medicate" don't need it and if you argue that it helps with anxiety, etc. Well, they make pills for that. Marijuana is for people with AIDs, Cancer, Fibromyalgia and so on.
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I agree about too much "medical" abuse. Thanks to "chronic pain", I might qualify if I try real hard (and spend money). I feel that would be cheating the system though, so I won't try. However, since becoming a daily mj user, I am no longer a daily acetaminophen user. I think it is a good trade off.

Some people are just happy there is an out so they are not breaking the law, and they go for a card when they really just want to get stoned. I don't want to cheat the system, but I'm not going to blame them. After all, the system should be a bit more like Colorado or some place - legal and regulated. Then just discuss it with your doc if you want, but all those "anxious" people can just smoke a bowl and relax.

Those pills you suggest? They often have some nasty side effects, too. So does that Johnny Walker Black - hell, even good single malt has more potentially nasty side effects than "medical" marijuana.

I used to experiment with drugs. By that, I mean I worked with two doctors and a shrink to find prescription medication that helped my depression without too many nasty side effects. I gave up the pills and the experimentation. Now I just smoke weed. I'm a criminal (maybe), not an mmj user. Depression isn't on the list here.
 
I think in order to get marijuana federally legalized for recreational purposes that we need the states to not get involved with "medical" marijuana legislation. Because once we label it as medicine it will always need a prescription to obtain. But if we just skip the whole medical marijuana and just prove to everyone that it is harmless then we will get what we need passed through. Medical users and recreational users can all have access together! If you need to self medicate, then, go ahead, But you don't need to go to a doctor for it. We screwed up starting it out as "medical" in the first place. Hopefully Washington and Colorado pass the weed test with flying colors!
 
Canna Connoiseur said:
I think in order to get marijuana federally legalized for recreational purposes that we need the states to not get involved with "medical" marijuana legislation. Because once we label it as medicine it will always need a prescription to obtain. But if we just skip the whole medical marijuana and just prove to everyone that it is harmless then we will get what we need passed through. Medical users and recreational users can all have access together! If you need to self medicate, then, go ahead, But you don't need to go to a doctor for it. We screwed up starting it out as "medical" in the first place. Hopefully Washington and Colorado pass the weed test with flying colors!
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Medical
-FDA regulated
-Big Business dominated
-Goverment taxed and regulated
-Doctor approval needed

legal to possess and grow
Illegal to sell

None of the above is needed
 
ChesusRice said:
Medical
-FDA regulated
-Big Business dominated
-Goverment taxed and regulated
-Doctor approval needed

legal to possess and grow
Illegal to sell

None of the above is needed
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Money is a deciding factor with EVERYTHING. If money can't be made, legislation won't be passed.
 
mr2shim said:
Money is a deciding factor with EVERYTHING. If money can't be made, legislation won't be passed.
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Decrease in crime enforcment expenditures
Money saved

Why would anyone have a problem with someone growing a stash only for themselve?
It is the epitomy of harm reduction
 
ChesusRice said:
Decrease in crime enforcment expenditures
Money saved

Why would anyone have a problem with someone growing a stash only for themselve?
It is the epitomy of harm reduction
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Well for starters, if you were big pharma would you be ok with your patients giving up their meds for a plant they can grow at home for next to nothing?

Another example would be Washingtons legalization effort. It's all find and dandy right, you can grow a plant now that it's legal right? Wrong. You can't. It's still illegal to grow. The only way to legally grow is with a MMJ card.
 
mr2shim said:
Well for starters, if you were big pharma would you be ok with your patients giving up their meds for a plant they can grow at home for next to nothing?
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Thanks for illustrating my point that Medical Marijuana is the bullet fired into the foot

And making it fully legal to possess and sell is just the door being cracked open for Big tobacco to come and and lobby for regulations about licensing grows

Want to grow weed? All you need is a License for 500k and have the USDA inspect you and have facilities that are up to your goverments standards. Plus mandatory lab testing for THC and CBD content. Proper labeling. Etc etc etc
 
ChesusRice said:
Thanks for illustrating my point that Medical Marijuana is the bullet fired into the foot

And making it fully legal to possess and sell is just the door being cracked open for Big tobacco to come and and lobby for regulations about licensing grows

Want to grow weed? All you need is a License for 500k and have the USDA inspect you and have facilities that are up to your goverments standards. Plus mandatory lab testing for THC and CBD content. Proper labeling. Etc etc etc
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Isn't that what they did in Washington? You can possess it but not grow it. Basically giving the torch to big tobacco.
 
mr2shim said:
Well for starters, if you were big pharma would you be ok with your patients giving up their meds for a plant they can grow at home for next to nothing?

Another example would be Washingtons legalization effort. It's all find and dandy right, you can grow a plant now that it's legal right? Wrong. You can't. It's still illegal to grow. The only way to legally grow is with a MMJ card.
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Washington should of voted No , , and waited for the right bill to vote on ,
Like what Colorado has , its legal and you can grow 6 plants at home
 
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