Jimski
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After checking plant from side view I do not have enough separation yet on top leaves from next set to cut yet. Will check till I get at least 1/2 inch. Not sure I could even get pruner in.
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Jimski
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update
Bucket 2 plant has not changed color from yellow and has done nothing but stretch. Plant was pulled and bucket emptied. One plant tent.
Bucket number 1 doing well. continued to explode with growth even after topping.
Weekly numbers:
Tent temp average 75.4 degrees. Average RH 65% average vdp 1.0 Nutes at 2.2 ec. Bucket temp this am 66.2 F and highest bucket temp 70.3 f. Rolling ph from 5.5 to 6.5 with lowest being 5.2 and highest 6.9. 2 major tap roots have hit the bottom of the bucket and clumps of saw tooth runners going everywhere. will start lst tomorrow. plant now. Plant 8 inches tall from clay balls.
Upcoming concern.
Tent is 5 feet from french door walkout of basement. At nightime temps of 42 degrees tent room drops to 64 degrees. Will need to insulate door as this grow will be here a while and we see temps as low as 10 degrees through December and even lower if flower goes into Feb. I have been using my basking lamps to keep temp above 69 f but I can not use this during flower.
Bucket 2 plant has not changed color from yellow and has done nothing but stretch. Plant was pulled and bucket emptied. One plant tent.
Bucket number 1 doing well. continued to explode with growth even after topping.
Weekly numbers:
Tent temp average 75.4 degrees. Average RH 65% average vdp 1.0 Nutes at 2.2 ec. Bucket temp this am 66.2 F and highest bucket temp 70.3 f. Rolling ph from 5.5 to 6.5 with lowest being 5.2 and highest 6.9. 2 major tap roots have hit the bottom of the bucket and clumps of saw tooth runners going everywhere. will start lst tomorrow. plant now. Plant 8 inches tall from clay balls.
Upcoming concern.
Tent is 5 feet from french door walkout of basement. At nightime temps of 42 degrees tent room drops to 64 degrees. Will need to insulate door as this grow will be here a while and we see temps as low as 10 degrees through December and even lower if flower goes into Feb. I have been using my basking lamps to keep temp above 69 f but I can not use this during flower.
Absorber
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Hello ,i dont run DWC but i do a flood and drain system controlled via a bell syphon
I generally try and keep my ph from 5.8 - 6.1 and i only run my nutrients at 550ppm after they have settled in and run at about 250-350ppm when small .
Id say it might be what is knocking your plant around a little .
Hope you dont mind the input
I generally try and keep my ph from 5.8 - 6.1 and i only run my nutrients at 550ppm after they have settled in and run at about 250-350ppm when small .
Id say it might be what is knocking your plant around a little .
Hope you dont mind the input
Jimski
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My bucket 2 plant that died was due to me not starting nutes. It had the first round leaves but it was 10 days climbing out of the media. It ran out of energy and when I started the nutes I used the " seedling " pack from the supplier at recommended strength. It never recovered from the yellow.Hello ,i dont run DWC but i do a flood and drain system controlled via a bell syphon
I generally try and keep my ph from 5.8 - 6.1 and i only run my nutrients at 550ppm after they have settled in and run at about 250-350ppm when small .
Id say it might be what is knocking your plant around a little .
Hope you dont mind the input
Bucket one damage was all me. I tried to slow roll nutes to allow the seedling to catch up. Never should have done it but now she is rocking with Jacks 321 at veg recommendations.
From now on will always try at least 4 seedlings to ensure 2 are a go.
Live and learn
Jimski
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Update.
Ph swings have greatly reduced. Now can go 36. hours between balancing although I still check every 12 hours
LST started today with just main stem and no leaf tucks. About 45 degrees today and will add to it on tuesday. Plan is to steer main stem about 6 inches above panel top and run it towards the back of the tent. hope to get a few branches up before a second topping. I am planning on keeping it in veg until I get a full flat tent.
Light raised to 51% and 17000 lux. Adding 3 % a day until I see signs of stress. When changing nutes I will forgo light increase as I want to keep problems simple. I do not want to wonder if I misscounted G for nutes or is it the light
Bucket 2 post mortem found a scrawny tap root curled in the hydroton before hitting water. The root was 7 inches long with no spreading roots and only 1/2 inch was past the netpot.
Ph swings have greatly reduced. Now can go 36. hours between balancing although I still check every 12 hours
LST started today with just main stem and no leaf tucks. About 45 degrees today and will add to it on tuesday. Plan is to steer main stem about 6 inches above panel top and run it towards the back of the tent. hope to get a few branches up before a second topping. I am planning on keeping it in veg until I get a full flat tent.
Light raised to 51% and 17000 lux. Adding 3 % a day until I see signs of stress. When changing nutes I will forgo light increase as I want to keep problems simple. I do not want to wonder if I misscounted G for nutes or is it the light
Bucket 2 post mortem found a scrawny tap root curled in the hydroton before hitting water. The root was 7 inches long with no spreading roots and only 1/2 inch was past the netpot.
Jimski
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Update
from 6 am to now the wheels fell off. Looks like calcium def. holes and all
happened so fast. PH topped moving at 6.1 and I let it ride. Another mistake
Swapped out bucket with Jacks 321 at specs. Will get some calcium foliar spray tomorrow and shoot at nights.
Hope it pulls through
Water base 350 ppm jacks 321 and hydroguard. Ec at 2.1 1150 ppm PH 5.7
from 6 am to now the wheels fell off. Looks like calcium def. holes and all
happened so fast. PH topped moving at 6.1 and I let it ride. Another mistake
Swapped out bucket with Jacks 321 at specs. Will get some calcium foliar spray tomorrow and shoot at nights.
Hope it pulls through
Water base 350 ppm jacks 321 and hydroguard. Ec at 2.1 1150 ppm PH 5.7
Jimski
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Turns out you were correct the issue was nutes. Explanation in journal.No worries thanks for the clarification,wishing you all the best with your grow
Absorber
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Yea i found less was best ,when i used to run at 1200ppm my water level in resevoir would drop and ppm would go up and plants werent doing much (kinda slow)
So i dropped back to 550ppm and notice resevoir would drop and ppm stayed around 550 . That was telling me when ppm were high at 1200 plants were taking up more water than nutrients and kinda stalled when i dropped ppm plant drank both water and nutrients and took off in growth .
In this screenshot my plants are still babies thats why ppm is at 378 at the moment and my ph can swing from 5.8 - 6.2
I have a growee ph controller on my setup .
Happy growing
Jimski
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Update
Well what a shitshow the last 3 days have been. After watching my plant die for 3 days I reviewed my paperwork of the last 6 weeks. The only thing that was sticking out in my pattern recognition brain was the way EC was so variable in the full strength jacks.
The first gallons I made were done by the gallon but the rest I just dropped 3 gallons of airstone tap water into a 5 gallon and mixed/ph/hydroguard and let it stabilize overnight. This is where I have the trouble. As it turned out warm water from my tap was over 750ppm but cold water was 350 or less. Then I remembered that about 5 years I had installed this:
This is a descaler for water. The hard water hereis from 2 types of Calcium. Some from limestone but some from other sources. This works by magnitizing calcium so It will not bind with metal.
Well crap, lots of salts are metal!
Removed one gallon Jacks 321 and refilled with 1 gallon distilled water.
PH now tracks down not up now. New growth from topping taking off.
There is no doubt that the descaler works. I no longer have deposits on fixtures and shower heads. There is ZERO information on what happens when you use this product in hydro setups. I think it turned the calcium into a version that would not work in plants. I do know without the epsom salts a lot of nutes do not work in hydro but to much locks out
I am prolly going to get a water eval from Jacks. Going to drop them an email on costs and such.
Well what a shitshow the last 3 days have been. After watching my plant die for 3 days I reviewed my paperwork of the last 6 weeks. The only thing that was sticking out in my pattern recognition brain was the way EC was so variable in the full strength jacks.
The first gallons I made were done by the gallon but the rest I just dropped 3 gallons of airstone tap water into a 5 gallon and mixed/ph/hydroguard and let it stabilize overnight. This is where I have the trouble. As it turned out warm water from my tap was over 750ppm but cold water was 350 or less. Then I remembered that about 5 years I had installed this:
This is a descaler for water. The hard water hereis from 2 types of Calcium. Some from limestone but some from other sources. This works by magnitizing calcium so It will not bind with metal.
Well crap, lots of salts are metal!
Removed one gallon Jacks 321 and refilled with 1 gallon distilled water.
PH now tracks down not up now. New growth from topping taking off.
There is no doubt that the descaler works. I no longer have deposits on fixtures and shower heads. There is ZERO information on what happens when you use this product in hydro setups. I think it turned the calcium into a version that would not work in plants. I do know without the epsom salts a lot of nutes do not work in hydro but to much locks out
I am prolly going to get a water eval from Jacks. Going to drop them an email on costs and such.
Absorber
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Thats a new one
, are you able to pull water before the descaler?
Jimski
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From an outside faucet would be the only way. Thanks for reminding me thats an option. Replacing 5 gallons of distilled from kroger would cost me more than I paid for beans over the grow.Thats a new one
MissinThe90’sStrains
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A quick suggestion - I got a small RO system from Amazon from the brand “GeekPure” for about $50 and plumbed it directly into the line that feeds my laundry room sink. I’ve run a couple hundred gallons of water through it so far, and is still reduces my water from 500+ ppm to under 10. It’s much cheaper than buying bottled from the store. I keep a trash can in the basement with an air stone running in it, to store my RO water for later.
Also, if you want any (reg) seeds to practice with, dm me and I can send you some freebies.
Also, if you want any (reg) seeds to practice with, dm me and I can send you some freebies.
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Jimski
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Heheheh Ok there are extenuating circumstances regaurding any water treatment idea I may have. We have bought bottled water for drinking due to the cost for the last 10 years since our first and only system went kablooweee. Now I tell the wife we need a water system to grow pot?
"That is a negative ghost rider the pattern is full"
LOL actually she would be cool and if the jacks water test is more than $50 its gunna happen.
Actually give me a reason to put in the wash sink in the basement that has been sitting there since I put the basement bathroom in. Or I could put it under the counter sink IN the bathroom with a short garden hose.
Jimski
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update
Message off to Jacks about water testing and if this descaller can be causing problems. I did a massive dofoliate on all the badley damaged fan leaves. It left me with this.
Cut out only damaged fan leaves. Looks like a spindley gg4 auto with problems.
My wife made an observation last night that hit home. She reminded me that my first 5 year of Tomatoes and beans sucked. To dependant on weather. She reminded me that every eggshell for the last 20 years goes on the tomato terrace. The compost pile is used for beans and melons. The terrace which is basically water to drain on the tomatos stopped the skin splitting on the mortgage lifters.
It took a long time to get gardening right why do I think this will be any different. I have a whole lot more material on the topic than I did in 1993 when I bought this place.
I will figgure it out.
Message off to Jacks about water testing and if this descaller can be causing problems. I did a massive dofoliate on all the badley damaged fan leaves. It left me with this.
Cut out only damaged fan leaves. Looks like a spindley gg4 auto with problems.
My wife made an observation last night that hit home. She reminded me that my first 5 year of Tomatoes and beans sucked. To dependant on weather. She reminded me that every eggshell for the last 20 years goes on the tomato terrace. The compost pile is used for beans and melons. The terrace which is basically water to drain on the tomatos stopped the skin splitting on the mortgage lifters.
It took a long time to get gardening right why do I think this will be any different. I have a whole lot more material on the topic than I did in 1993 when I bought this place.
I will figgure it out.
FmSwayze
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Data is key! Good work
Jimski
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update
Powdery Mildew has made an appearance this morning. Just a few spores on tent walls and a couple of white specs on leaves. The mildew is only on old fan leaves that were stressed earlier not new growth.
I have tiered RH from 80% in seedling to 58% now 4 weeks into veg. Plant still glowing but looks naked with all the defo from the fan leaves.
Plan is to remove everything from tent and wipe down with bleach. Plants old enough for neem oil now and will spray tonight. Also towels with moisture are helping the PM and will no longer be used. I had an idea to use the second empty bucket with airstones as my. humidity helper but the bucket is at 67-69 degrees now due to weather temp and I think that would pull down heat.
May have to break down and buy a humidifier for a grow tent. This Vivosun would integrate with the program but the infinity unit specs on the sensors tell me I should go with the infinity system. For of town adjustments I would need the controller also.
Already plotting and planning. Seems this tent would make a good propagation tent and a larger tent for mid veg through flower.
During the holidays I would like to leave for a few days and am developing stratagies to watch and water plants. In the winter I had planned to use my heat lamps during dark to keep above 68 degrees. I have researched and the
agreement of the internet and 2 university programes say uv a/b will not trigger reversal of flower. My 150 watt leds can only get to 73 degrees during the day with temps outside at 67 but that temp makes RH very stable.
Powdery Mildew has made an appearance this morning. Just a few spores on tent walls and a couple of white specs on leaves. The mildew is only on old fan leaves that were stressed earlier not new growth.
I have tiered RH from 80% in seedling to 58% now 4 weeks into veg. Plant still glowing but looks naked with all the defo from the fan leaves.
Plan is to remove everything from tent and wipe down with bleach. Plants old enough for neem oil now and will spray tonight. Also towels with moisture are helping the PM and will no longer be used. I had an idea to use the second empty bucket with airstones as my. humidity helper but the bucket is at 67-69 degrees now due to weather temp and I think that would pull down heat.
May have to break down and buy a humidifier for a grow tent. This Vivosun would integrate with the program but the infinity unit specs on the sensors tell me I should go with the infinity system. For of town adjustments I would need the controller also.
Already plotting and planning. Seems this tent would make a good propagation tent and a larger tent for mid veg through flower.
During the holidays I would like to leave for a few days and am developing stratagies to watch and water plants. In the winter I had planned to use my heat lamps during dark to keep above 68 degrees. I have researched and the
agreement of the internet and 2 university programes say uv a/b will not trigger reversal of flower. My 150 watt leds can only get to 73 degrees during the day with temps outside at 67 but that temp makes RH very stable.
Jimski
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update
Ph adjustment down from 6.3. Ppm on new mix 700 ppm. Due to PMildew max RH adjusted to 60% which to stay in vpd range temps at 72. Pm treatment included apple cider vinager on all surfaces and my wife lovingly wiped all fan leaves with neem. After 24 hours at new temps plant doing well. LST has them spread all over. Still working with one light due to temp target. Had canoing at 70% backed off to 60% lux 14k.
Swaping out nutes was a pain. Bucket sump hose came loose from wall would not drain last 4 inches had to move plant out and do from top. I am going to remove the bucket not in use and put 2 more air hoses in and work on my idea for auto water system then replace broken bucket so I can get back to servicing without opening tent.
Note to self. Buckets are bullshit replacing with plummed tote. I already have roots going up hose spouts in bucket.
So far the only thing that works as designed is the panel division to split the heat zones. Buckets are 66-69 around the clock. The upper heat section is so reduced in volume I can pick up when the plant really starts breathing. The cycle for humidity stops and it pegs at 61 rh until it stops transpiring then the humidifier kicks in. I am totally amazed I can see that in the data. When this happens opening the tent smells like a greenhouse of grow. No cannabis smell yet just sweet growing plant smell
Ph adjustment down from 6.3. Ppm on new mix 700 ppm. Due to PMildew max RH adjusted to 60% which to stay in vpd range temps at 72. Pm treatment included apple cider vinager on all surfaces and my wife lovingly wiped all fan leaves with neem. After 24 hours at new temps plant doing well. LST has them spread all over. Still working with one light due to temp target. Had canoing at 70% backed off to 60% lux 14k.
Swaping out nutes was a pain. Bucket sump hose came loose from wall would not drain last 4 inches had to move plant out and do from top. I am going to remove the bucket not in use and put 2 more air hoses in and work on my idea for auto water system then replace broken bucket so I can get back to servicing without opening tent.
Note to self. Buckets are bullshit replacing with plummed tote. I already have roots going up hose spouts in bucket.
So far the only thing that works as designed is the panel division to split the heat zones. Buckets are 66-69 around the clock. The upper heat section is so reduced in volume I can pick up when the plant really starts breathing. The cycle for humidity stops and it pegs at 61 rh until it stops transpiring then the humidifier kicks in. I am totally amazed I can see that in the data. When this happens opening the tent smells like a greenhouse of grow. No cannabis smell yet just sweet growing plant smell
FmSwayze
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Taco at 14k lux? What meter you using
Jimski
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338bt