John McCain......

Johnnyorganic said:
I would have LOVED to have gone to a game at Tiger Stadium. I regret I did not try harder to make it there.

I do like the Tigers. And as long as there exists the AL West to slap around, the Tigers will always be in on the hunt.

I'm the first to admit Yankees fans tend to be annoying to the point of hostility in some cases. Yankees fans are cocky even when the Bombers are in the cellar.
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lol...good stuff :hump::hump:
 
born2grow said:
Is that ty cobb in your avatar, He was the shit, he still holds a bunch of records. I am a fellow michigander is why i ask. loving the turn around so far with the tigers, they had me worried earlier this year.
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Ty cobb was a dick and a racist


Honus wagner was the man
 
40acres said:
Ty cobb was a dick and a racist


Honus wagner was the man
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Ty Cobb was a dick. But when it comes to race, he was a man of his times. I can't defend his words, but one must put them in context of America at the time.

He supported Jackie Robinson. What kind of racist is that?

Honus Wagner was a great ballplayer and a good man.
 
natrone23 said:
wagner was prob a racist too, george washington was one too.....different zeitgeist than of today
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Excellent point.

George Washington owned slaves and grew hemp, too! Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, grew hemp, and penned the drafts of the Constitution on hemp paper.

Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) was a prominent member of the Ku Klux Klan back in the day.

Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican.

Plucking anyone out of history and evaluating their life based on modern social mores will expose many embarrassing facts. Such analysis is unfair and incomplete.
 
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natrone23 said:
show me evidence
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Myths of Martin Luther King by Marcus Epstein

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]FBI surveillance showed that King had dozens of extramarital affairs. Although many of the pertinent records are sealed, several agents who watched observed him engage in many questionable acts including buying prostitutes with SCLC money. Ralph Abernathy, who King called "the best friend I have in the world," substantiated many of these charges in his autobiography, And the Walls Came Tumbling Down. It is true that a man’s private life is mostly his business. However, most conservatives vehemently condemned Jesse Jackson when news of his illegitimate son came out, and claimed he was unfit to be a minister.
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Cover-up: Martin Luther King Jr.
Dr. King had an ample reputation as a philanderer and abuser of women of ill repute. The FBI under J. Edgar Hoover had run surveillance on King and his entourage for years attempting to gather data on his Communist connections. While the Bureau did surveill King�s attendance at Communist meetings, but most of the surveillance records show an extreme preoccupation after hours with illicit sex.
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Are taxpayers dollars fund FBI agents falling King around to find that he his Man who liked sex........what a revalation
 
funny you should mention J. Edgar Hoover....
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From "J. Edgar Hoover-- The Boudoir Portraits" by "Hyacinth" As head of the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation for 48 years, Hoover led an ongoing crusade against communism, espionage and deviant behavior. On his own time, however, he and his life partner Clyde led a life of gay, albeit closeted, abandon. One special treat was the anniversary portrait that Hoover had done as a surprise one year for Clyde, which soon turned into an annual event, with Hoover dressing up as famous transvestites throughout history. [more]
 
tipsgnob said:
funny you should mention J. Edgar Hoover....

From "J. Edgar Hoover-- The Boudoir Portraits" by "Hyacinth" As head of the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation for 48 years, Hoover led an ongoing crusade against communism, espionage and deviant behavior. On his own time, however, he and his life partner Clyde led a life of gay, albeit closeted, abandon. One special treat was the anniversary portrait that Hoover had done as a surprise one year for Clyde, which soon turned into an annual event, with Hoover dressing up as famous transvestites throughout history. [more]
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Yeah, he was a freak. No question. You'll notice that the Justice Department no longer offers lifetime appointments to FBI directors.
 
The really screwed up thing about J.Edgar was his obcessant fucking with other gays and trannies. I guess he figured only he had the right to be gay.
 
tipsgnob said:
I wonder what big john thinks about this...
Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki demands US withdrawal timetable
Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki demands US withdrawal timetable - Times Online
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I can't speak for McCain, but I think it's awesome. Am I wrong in recalling that the administration said we would stay as long as the Iraqis wanted us there? The mainstrean media does not report it because it doesn't make Bush look bad, but our boys did it. We are winning in the theatre of Iraq.
medicineman said:
Kinda takes the "stay in Iraq for 50-100 year" thing out of the picture, eh, sorry John McSame
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Seeing as how we are still in Germany, Japan, and the Korean Peninsula, it's not so far off. Only if the Iraqis allow it, however. If they don't want us there, we should depart ASAP.
 
al-Miki does not speak for all Iraqis. What would the next political administration wish to have happen? And let's say we pull out, does that invite insurrection, kaos, civil war, or a blood bath?

This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. Unintended consequences have dominated this whole invasion. We must not create more turmoil in our exit.

I suggest a staged with drawl. Leave our forces in Bagdad, until all others are out. Then leave a few thousand troops in the city to protect our embassy.
 
Johnnyorganic said:
I can't speak for McCain, but I think it's awesome. Am I wrong in recalling that the administration said we would stay as long as the Iraqis wanted us there? The mainstrean media does not report it because it doesn't make Bush look bad, but our boys did it. We are winning in the theatre of Iraq.

Seeing as how we are still in Germany, Japan, and the Korean Peninsula, it's not so far off. Only if the Iraqis allow it, however. If they don't want us there, we should depart ASAP.
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we can't leave Germany...we don't have anyplace to put all those tanks...and we can't leave them behind...
 
mockingbird131313 said:
al-Miki does not speak for all Iraqis. What would the next political administration wish to have happen? And let's say we pull out, does that invite insurrection, kaos, civil war, or a blood bath?

This is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. Unintended consequences have dominated this whole invasion. We must not create more turmoil in our exit.

I suggest a staged with drawl. Leave our forces in Bagdad, until all others are out. Then leave a few thousand troops in the city to protect our embassy.
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wow...I would hate to be last motherfucker in Iraq...
 
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