nugbuckets
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you may have covered it, but what do you do for bud mold prevent?....pretty sure you guys got hit hard with early rains last year.......i am looking for a better alternative to serenade.......thanks bro...
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kushking42
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Nugs, also in my brix mix i add hydrogen peroxide and adjust the oxygen reduction potential with a handheld orp meter from hanna. its a pen meter like a ph meter. but brix mix gets sprayed only til buds stack so if i felt like i needed to kil spores before they became a problem on thick flowers i would go with the oxidate. i like to dip my cuttings in oxidate as well. it is the real deal read those pdf's and field trials. and its hydrogen dioxide so no residue.
nugbuckets
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cool bro, thanks......what is your opinion on serenade if only sprayed at bud stack, then nothing for four weeks till harvest.....any residue?......i am going to look at oxidate...thanks
kushking42
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whether with hydrogen peroxide or dioxide the name of the game is orp. learn a little about it. i have no experience with serenade. i know oxidate is the real deal though
nugbuckets
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thinking about ordering the 2.5 gal......it is a concentrate right? what is the ratio?.....you have a good link on orp?...thanks much
kushking42
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now were talking! yes bro its definitely a concentrate! preventative is 300:1. the rest of the ratios are on the label and in pdf. in its concentrated form it is an oxidizer and is corrosive so read the labels on safe handling and wear ppe
http://anrcatalog.ucdavis.edu/pdf/8149.pdf
http://www.rhtubs.com/ORP.htm
http://anrcatalog.ucdavis.edu/pdf/8149.pdf
http://www.rhtubs.com/ORP.htm
kushking42
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Oxidation Reduction Potential (ORP)[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What exactly is ORP?
Oxidation Reduction Potential (ORP) is a measurement (in mV) of the tendency or the strength that indicates whether a solution is oxidizing or reducing (= deoxidizing).[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Any positive number indicates that the solution is oxidizing; the higher, the more oxidizing. The same theory applies on the negative side, just in the opposite direction; the lower, the more deoxidizing. And of course, any negative number indicates a reducing or deoxidizing tendency.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When chemists first used the term in the late 18th Century, the word "oxidation" meant, "to combine with oxygen." Back then, it was a pretty radical concept. Until about 200 years ago, folks were really confused about the nature of matter. It took some pretty brave chemists to prove, for example, that fire did not involve the release of some unknown, mysterious substance, but rather occurred when oxygen combined rapidly with the stuff being burned.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We can see examples of oxidation all the time in our daily lives. They occur at different speeds. When we see a piece of iron rusting, or a slice of apple turning brown, we are looking at examples of relatively slow oxidation. When we look at a fire, we are witnessing an example of rapid oxidation. We now know that oxidation involves an exchange of electrons between two atoms. The atom that loses an electron in the process is said to be "oxidized." The one that gains an electron is said to be "reduced." In picking up that extra electron, it loses the electrical energy that makes it "hungry" for more electrons.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We also know that matter can be changed, but not destroyed. You can alter its structure, and can increase or decrease the amount of energy it contains - but you can't eliminate the basis building blocks that make things what they are.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chemicals like chlorine, bromine, and ozone are all oxidizers. It is their ability to oxidize - to "steal" electrons from other substances - that makes them good water sanitizers, because in altering the chemical makeup of unwanted plants and animals, they kill them. Then they "burn up" the remains, leaving a few harmless chemicals as the by-product.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Of course, in the process of oxidizing, all of these oxidizers are reduced - so they lose their ability to further oxidize things. They may combine with other substances in the water, or their electrical charge may simply be "used up." To make sure that the chemical process continues to the very end, you must have a high enough concentration of oxidizer in the water to do the whole job.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But how much is "enough?" That's where the term potential comes into play.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Potential" is a word that refers to ability rather than action. We hear it all the time in sports. ("That rookie has a lot of potential - he hasn't done anything yet, but we know that he has the ability to produce.)[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Potential energy is energy that is stored and ready to be put to work. It's not actually working, but we know that the energy is there if and when we need it. Another word for potential might be pressure. Blow up a balloon, and there is air pressure inside. As long as we keep the end tightly closed, the pressure remains as potential energy. Release the end, and the air inside rushes out, changing from potential (possible) energy to kinetic (in motion) energy.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In electrical terms, potential energy is measured in volts. Actual energy (current flow) is measured in amps. When you put a voltmeter across the leads of a battery, the reading you get is the difference in electrical pressure - the potential - between the two poles. This pressure represents the excess electrons present at one pole of the battery (caused, incidentally, by a chemical reaction within the battery) ready to flow to the opposite pole.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When we use the term potential in describing ORP, we are actually talking about electrical potential or voltage. We are reading the very tiny voltage generated when a metal is placed in water in the presence of oxidizing and reducing agents. These voltages give us an indication of the ability of the oxidizers in the water to keep it free from contaminants.[/FONT]
Oxidation Reduction Potential (ORP) is a measurement (in mV) of the tendency or the strength that indicates whether a solution is oxidizing or reducing (= deoxidizing).[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Any positive number indicates that the solution is oxidizing; the higher, the more oxidizing. The same theory applies on the negative side, just in the opposite direction; the lower, the more deoxidizing. And of course, any negative number indicates a reducing or deoxidizing tendency.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When chemists first used the term in the late 18th Century, the word "oxidation" meant, "to combine with oxygen." Back then, it was a pretty radical concept. Until about 200 years ago, folks were really confused about the nature of matter. It took some pretty brave chemists to prove, for example, that fire did not involve the release of some unknown, mysterious substance, but rather occurred when oxygen combined rapidly with the stuff being burned.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We can see examples of oxidation all the time in our daily lives. They occur at different speeds. When we see a piece of iron rusting, or a slice of apple turning brown, we are looking at examples of relatively slow oxidation. When we look at a fire, we are witnessing an example of rapid oxidation. We now know that oxidation involves an exchange of electrons between two atoms. The atom that loses an electron in the process is said to be "oxidized." The one that gains an electron is said to be "reduced." In picking up that extra electron, it loses the electrical energy that makes it "hungry" for more electrons.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]We also know that matter can be changed, but not destroyed. You can alter its structure, and can increase or decrease the amount of energy it contains - but you can't eliminate the basis building blocks that make things what they are.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Chemicals like chlorine, bromine, and ozone are all oxidizers. It is their ability to oxidize - to "steal" electrons from other substances - that makes them good water sanitizers, because in altering the chemical makeup of unwanted plants and animals, they kill them. Then they "burn up" the remains, leaving a few harmless chemicals as the by-product.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Of course, in the process of oxidizing, all of these oxidizers are reduced - so they lose their ability to further oxidize things. They may combine with other substances in the water, or their electrical charge may simply be "used up." To make sure that the chemical process continues to the very end, you must have a high enough concentration of oxidizer in the water to do the whole job.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But how much is "enough?" That's where the term potential comes into play.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Potential" is a word that refers to ability rather than action. We hear it all the time in sports. ("That rookie has a lot of potential - he hasn't done anything yet, but we know that he has the ability to produce.)[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Potential energy is energy that is stored and ready to be put to work. It's not actually working, but we know that the energy is there if and when we need it. Another word for potential might be pressure. Blow up a balloon, and there is air pressure inside. As long as we keep the end tightly closed, the pressure remains as potential energy. Release the end, and the air inside rushes out, changing from potential (possible) energy to kinetic (in motion) energy.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In electrical terms, potential energy is measured in volts. Actual energy (current flow) is measured in amps. When you put a voltmeter across the leads of a battery, the reading you get is the difference in electrical pressure - the potential - between the two poles. This pressure represents the excess electrons present at one pole of the battery (caused, incidentally, by a chemical reaction within the battery) ready to flow to the opposite pole.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]When we use the term potential in describing ORP, we are actually talking about electrical potential or voltage. We are reading the very tiny voltage generated when a metal is placed in water in the presence of oxidizing and reducing agents. These voltages give us an indication of the ability of the oxidizers in the water to keep it free from contaminants.[/FONT]
kushking42
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did some irrigation work today. i replaced an old 3/4 " galvanized line that was rusted and clogged and wearing out pre-filters faster than they should be. in its place is 1" pvc. this house had new copper put in a few years back, but garden irrigation lines werent replaced. after some torch work and new copper fittings i laid down 50' of new line. now, in-line, before water gets to the smart pot drip line and new hose bib is a big boy water filter. from there to a valve, that has a pressure regulator on it. from the valve there is a diaphragm with 3 ball valves. (for now only the 400 gallon containers are irrigated) 1 ball valve controls all 6 400 gallon pots. the other two will handle 4 thousand gallon containers each. my filtered water has some serious pressure, 1" line is no joke!
birds were shitting on the plants so i put up the scare tape. it works well.
birds were shitting on the plants so i put up the scare tape. it works well.
nugbuckets
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bad ass bro.....nice work....and thanks for the links....
nugbuckets
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hey bro, one more question.....how is Oxidate on the pistils?......does it fry them some?....
kushking42
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no more than h20
nugbuckets
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sold!....thanks bro.
kushking42
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beast mode:
nugbuckets
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Real nice bro....i love a good clean straw bale...looks like you found some nice ones.....so what are your earliest flowerers this year?
kushking42
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purple diesel finishes 9/25, ssh around 10/7 fire og looks like middle of october same for the widow. i threw in some little guys in the large pots because they are not going to fill up the whole pot. alien og, casey jones and a larry og arent showing.*side note, casey jones is truly in beast mode. forgot how big she can get. if i had planted some of these during the first week of june they would be 10' high and 10'around. sour alien and nl x atomic is staring to flower as well.
sour flower, regulator kush, cookies arent even trying to flower and they will be the biggest.
sour flower, regulator kush, cookies arent even trying to flower and they will be the biggest.
nugbuckets
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wow, looks like you got a real early SSH....
kushking42
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ya bro for sure, it's super indica dominant and compact. it is growing like a carpet. which makes it a great contrast for the sour flower. sour flower is a ssh back cross, and only resembles the ssh that i have, in its leaf structure and finished flowers.
nugbuckets
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awesome.....looking forward to seeing how she flowers!
kushking42
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Click here for an awesome read on Organic Matter, Humus, Humate, Humic Acid, Fulvic Acid and Humin This will test you Nerdiness Anyone with ADD dont bother clicking. http://www.calciumproducts.com/articles/Dr._Pettit_Humate.pdf