thats funny you mention that, cause sometimes i forget that there is "the rest of the site"......i don't venture out of this forum, and it is because of growers like you, Bud, Oriah, Hovering, TC, T-Ray, and a few other friends that i stay......glad to hear your staying, i for one have a lot to learn, and it is through growers like you guys who openly share their succeses....i spent some time at IC as a newbie, and got flamed pretty hard, and that sucked.......we are trying hard here in Subs forum to be accepting, and tollerent. But at the same time remaining humble enough to admit when we are wrong. Sub has always given his knowledge for free, and never expected anything in return other than people just get along and stay positive...... every method can be improved upon, but in my mind there is enough "proprietary" information that is hoarded in this community........sometimes you have to wade through all the bullshit to find the truth, but i am grateful that i found a core group of growers that are dedicated to learning and growing together...again, thank you very much for your contributions......you are obviously a master at your craft, and i am grateful you are here...much love, nugs