Logan Burke
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Oh and this strain is supposed to be a pretty heavy Indica dom strain, it's looking like it will take roughly 8-10 weeks from the emergence of preflowering.
LB's Wildly Mediocre DWC/ScROG Grow
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Logan Burke
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Dam I wish I had seen this...I added my CaliMagic first just because the instructions say too...I gave it about 30mins for the PH to settle, about to go check it again, it usually rises some but nothing huge. So you think that I should flush the plant that appears N toxic with pure water? Is it toxic enough to justify a 2 day flush you think, or will it be alright to just reduce the N and do a res change?...Following Hydroguys advice last night I did a res change, but if flushing is the absolutely neccessary I'll do it! I did flush with plain water for about 2 hours if that counts at all.
Oh and the lights are around 12-18 inches away from the tallest colas, will take exact measurments in 11mins when lights kick on.
Stltoed
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I'm not completely sure its Nitrogen, but lets go with that. I wouldn't add any more Nitrogen. I think youre right about cutting the Calcium in half. I would also raise the lights to at least 24" above the worse burnt, for now. Glossy leaves don't usually get better, so don't sweat them. What wattage are you running your big light? Not to throw stones, but this is the single best reason to keep a flat scrog all the plants are on the same level... I understand this is your first. mine was a mess. I usually continue tucking till a few weeks after flower sets in. I then check to see if bud sites are under the screen, if I can pull the limb back to the square before I will, sometimes I will cut the scrog if its too tall. And I hate to say it, but I would flush. if you flush them and keep watching closely you may see whats going on. For instance, if the leaf issues get worse its probably a deficiency not an excess. I'm not sure what kind of time you have left, but flushing will only take a few days. Your plants will be perky and hungry. What are your PPMs like?
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Oh I totally agree, not getting a perfectly even canopy is my single worst blunder this grow...coming in at a close number two is either not defoli'ing enough or not doing it in the right places as you can see I've less than ideal light penetration. Because all of my plants are in standalone 5 gal buckets, and are not connected, I could flush the two plants showing dark green if you think it is neccessary? Or, I can just do res changes, cut the CaliMagic in half and lower ppms and let her ride? I have a second plant that is just beginning to look dark green as well, it just isn't as bad as the one I've been referring too. But otherwise, all plants have gotten the exact same nutes, light, strain, etc. Why this one is so much darker green and glossier than her sisters is beyond me. I will say that all of my plants are getting some glossy leaves in the canopy, but only the leaves on these two plants have become dark green along with the glossing.
As for ppm's, I got carried away and let the ppm's run a bit too high. At the moment, at Hydro's advice, I've reduced my ppm's from 1600-1700 (.5 scale) to 1300-1400. My plants were incredibly happy with 1400-1500 at the beginning of flower, this problem is pretty new only showing itself a week (or less) ago. Which coincides with me raising the ppm's about a week ago. Is it just my wishful thinking that I could flush with clean RO water for say, 3-6 hours, then continue them on a reduced ppm schedule? Since the symptom is relatively new?
As for ppm's, I got carried away and let the ppm's run a bit too high. At the moment, at Hydro's advice, I've reduced my ppm's from 1600-1700 (.5 scale) to 1300-1400. My plants were incredibly happy with 1400-1500 at the beginning of flower, this problem is pretty new only showing itself a week (or less) ago. Which coincides with me raising the ppm's about a week ago. Is it just my wishful thinking that I could flush with clean RO water for say, 3-6 hours, then continue them on a reduced ppm schedule? Since the symptom is relatively new?
Stltoed
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Sorry man I'm not getting alerts about new comments. Defoliation is best on a case by case basis. Not all plants look alike, then you top them and they grow completely different. A sativa (probably) wont need much defoliation. An indica in hydro will require leaf removal to get it out of it's own way. Man your nutes are high ( in my opinion). I dont know your
nutes though.
I have to tell you, I'm in the middle of the worst season I've ever had. Slow plants, a peroxide poisoning, inch worms, too long in veg, bla bla bla. It happens to everyone especially if you grow from seed all sorts of stuff comes out of seeds. I tend to germ. 2 or 3 extra in hopes of finding strong seedlings. I'm growing two mothers right now hoping one is better than the other. The seeds Strawberry Banana is notoriously weak. Getting ready for next season which will be an SOG grow
Stltoed
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A plant weakened by excessive nutrients will be more sensitive to light
Logan Burke
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Oh wow you really have had a bad season, I'm sorry to hear that man! And yeah I'm thinking this may be less about N specifically and more about just too much nutes overall...I'm returning all of the plants back to the ppm they were last happy with, which is 1300. At 1300, a few weeks ago, they were happy thriving and perfectly shaded green. If needed I will lower it more of course, but for now I'm just using 1300 as a baseline as I know they tolerated that well just 2 or 3 weeks ago. Appreciate the help Stltoed! Going to go continue on with these res changes!
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Oh and I'm using the Floranova Bloom. I use it along with Liquid Kool Bloom for early and mid flower, then switch to Dry KB in late flower. I also use the CaliMagic, and as of last night, began adding Armor Si as well. I try my best not to over complicate things with lots of additives...honestly, I don't like using as many as I am right now. But I needed to add the Armor Si (Silicate from GH).
Stltoed
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That's how it goes sometimes. You make changes to suit. I was using Rockwool to start seedlings, then one season I totally wasted a mess of seeds. After talking to some folks i changed to Rapid Rooters, and havent lost one in a long time. Baby steps. I like 1300, mine were there as of the last nute change, but went down to 1200ish as the PK booster got used up.
No problem at all. I dig this stuff. Giving opinions on this forum can get a little hairy I usually haunt another forum where arguements are less common. But the people on this site are much more knowledgable.
Stltoed
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Koolbloom dry is great, especially if you want to see Autumn colors. Take a look at this little plant, Ayahuasca Purple. The first pic was at harvest. I used Koolbloom Dry for quite a while, but I started using Mendocino Avalanche which was recommended to me. I like it too.
The lights are Black Dogs P2s which are a slightly colored light, but it really shows up in photographs. I swear it's not a Mars or Vipar. Haha
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I am currently using Rockwhool, but I think that I really just got lucky in the batch that I bought...I bought a large order that contained something like 300+ cubes, back when I literally first started hydroponics. But now I'm nearing the end of this batch, and I think I'm going to do the Rapid Rooters as well. Not that I've had problems, but I hate having to prep the RW before putting seedlings in. And yeah I hear you on that, some people here can be argumentative. I try my best to say what I think without discrediting anyone else, especially in these scenarios where I'm asking for people's opinions.
Those are awesome looking buds, I'll be happy if I can pull a canopy of buds that size or close. I've had plants get the autumn colors and other plants not...I seem to keep fairly green leaves for days after I start the final flush. I love kool bloom dry for those last couple weeks before flush, how long into flowering did you add it in? And I've heard of Black Dogs LED's before, but I've really not used many LED's other than cheaper amazon ones like Roleadro.
Stltoed
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I swear Rapid Rooters have something on them that helps the little ones. I'm sure you'll do better than that plant. It was tiny. When I grow a strain in hydro I usually grow 1 in soil to get a better idea of how that strain operates. That plant was the soil grow for my Nitrogen toxicity session. It's a great strain.
I add the dry 2 weeks before the scheduled finish, but I usually go a week or two longer. Black Dogs are fantastic, but they are extremely expensive. My 2 400watt lights cost almost $3000. Given their price you wont see them very often. Their 1000watt light was $3000 by itself when I bought mine I sold mine during a break in my growing. I wanted new speakers, my other hobby, so I got rid of them. I've used 2 different styles of Platinum LED, G8, Spectrum King, Perfect Sun, Ursa, Rapid cobs and Black Dog LED. I'm using a double ended MH/HPS and a CMH right now. Just had to try it out.
Logan Burke
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My god, that is a very high priced LED! Hopefully it's as top shelf as the price they charge and all. From the price, would they at least be equal to or better than the COB led's that a lot of RIU members go on and on about? And do you mean you wanted to try out the CMH, or the DE MH/HPS? I wanted to run DE lights, but I just can't in the summertime given my 6.5ft (Close to 6ft after hangers) height limitation. But, on the otherhand, in the winter time I usually have to use a heater alongside my 1kw HPS. So this winter I'll probably try out the DE fixtures. I just wish there was an aircooled version that could help cool the light without messing up the spectrum, as higher temps are usually what creates the spectrum in the bulb and all. Maybe I could get a remote ballast to help some with heat in a DE fixture?
Stltoed
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It's a very good light. No one on Roll It Up would agree since they have color, but they kick ass. Just way too expensive. I've only ever worked with a Rapid LED (regarding cobs) and my two 400s would kick the shit out of it. It wasnt very bright at all. If I had my Black Dogs closer than 24 inches they would bleach.
I'm using a 1000watt (650 is about as high as I go) double ended and a single CMH currently. I was thinking I would buy another CMH or a double ended CMH, but I want to migrate back to LEDs. I tried the HPS thing, the novelty has warn off. Shit my HPS is a 2000k, not really even in the usable spectrum for flower... I mean it works, but you can get 3000k all day long with LED, AND the spectrum for veg with IR and UV all wrapped up in one box. I think Q Boards are next for me.
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Your HPS is 2000k?...What brand bulb are ya using for it? I've been using the Super HPS from Hortilux for a couple years now and it seems to put off a perfectly orange reddish light even though I've never tested with a spectrometer myself. I've always wanted to try out QB's, I just really haven't been able to afford them. If I can churn out a few moderately decent yields here though I may be able to branch out and experiment a bit more. I'm getting kind of bored with my single ended MH/HPS setup haha, so I'm hoping to switch things up soon but still keep my 315 cmh's in the tent. Anyways, I'm going to go tend to the plants for the day and do another res change or two. I'll try and get some update pics, but I have to wait for my cmh's to kick on so that I can turn the HPS off where it kind of ruins the leaf color in pics.
Stltoed
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Yeah, that's pretty common. Even 1800k happens pretty readily. I've heard there are 3000k HPS out there but I honestly havent looked. I'm still on the fence with CMH. I was gonna try it in my closet but wont fit. Haha. I had my CMH between my Black Dogs when I grew those 2 big plants, I think I showed you... memory is for shit. Anyway, i like mixing the lights up. Thought about adding LEDs along side the HPS. It has an extra large reflector and an amazing footprint. Who knows. I'll change my mind 50 times before I'm done
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Here are some close(ish) up pics of the two plants that are in front. I'm getting ready to go get pics of the other 2 plants in just a minute. I'm pretty content with everything, but I kind of feel like my buds should be a bit fatter at this stage?...I'm just 2 days past the 4 week mark from when preflowers first emerged, so maybe I'm just in a rush with it.
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They do look a little light on the buds for the 4th week. Is it an 8 week plant? I think we talked about this... I'm a little high. Are you using a PK booster? The plants could have checked out for a bit with the issues you were talking about. I believe they will be much happier with a lower PPM. I've got almost 2 weeks more time in flower than you. I just redid my nutes and its at 1240ppm right now.
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Here are the two plants in the back, the one closest to the camera is the one that has the really noticable N tox. And yes I took the nutes down and reduced the calmag to 50% dose. I think you're right, they definitely stalled this past week from the high nutes. I'm hoping it won't hurt me too horribly, but I know that this is literally one of the most important times for bud building. And it's reported to be a 9-10 week strain.
Nutes were at 1500-1600, now down to 1300-1400 which is the dosage they seemed happy with about a week ago before the nute increase. I'll probably drop them all to 1300 max tomorrow at least while they get back in full swing. I'm using Liquid KB right now, I'll switch to the DKB later on. I'm only using 50% strength with the LKB though, unless you think I can push it a bit?
Nutes were at 1500-1600, now down to 1300-1400 which is the dosage they seemed happy with about a week ago before the nute increase. I'll probably drop them all to 1300 max tomorrow at least while they get back in full swing. I'm using Liquid KB right now, I'll switch to the DKB later on. I'm only using 50% strength with the LKB though, unless you think I can push it a bit?
