Leaves not fading after flush?

projectinfo said:

who told you it's time to do a flush?

First off that's outdated info ya got there. Flushing is useless

And it looks like you've got shit lights or you've got a few weeks left... They haven't even fattened up.

Don't jump the gun and miss out on half your weight.

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Roger A. Shrubber said:

you know that "flushing" actually triggers a response in your plants that makes them try to put on a last burst of growth, so they absorb as many nutrients into the buds as they are able to? so it actually does the exact opposite of what bro scientist say it does.

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Kingrow1 said:

If you study grape growing you learn that the sweeter grapes have less yeild when using this technique. Here you find grapes grown for consumption use different finishing techniques for the end of the growth cycle.

Basically you can have less sweet more yeild or more sweet less yeild. Thereis always a trade off.

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Trichometry101 said:

Who the fuck cares about grapes. They use bud rot to grow em.

I swear you internet growers pick the dumbest shit to translate over to Cannabis, while leaving all the actual relevant info behind.

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Trichometry101 said:

Well we know what projectinfo's bud taste like! Like plastic probably!

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Kingrow1 said:

If you study grape growing you learn that the sweeter grapes have less yeild when using this technique. Here you find grapes grown for consumption use different finishing techniques for the end of the growth cycle.

Basically you can have less sweet more yeild or more sweet less yeild. Thereis always a trade off.

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ANC said:

Curing is the fermenting process by which we get rid of the remaining sugars in the plant.
A plant fed till the last minute is going to take more careful curing as it needs a longer time to break down all those sugars.
At least this is my layman's theory.

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NanoGadget said:

Ding ding ding! This is the whole thing in a nutshell. Aggressive 'flushing' is essentially just getting started on the curing process while the plant is still alive. The reason people think not flushing creates nasty buds is largely because they don't realize that if you feed til the end your dry and cure will be a longer process. To some, the added yeild of feeding throughout may not justify the added time it takes to dry and cure.

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NanoGadget said:

I'm going to say this one more time and never again on this forum because it's exhausting.

When you feed a plant in flower you don't end up with "buds full of fertilizer". There is a very specific set of internal processes that allow particular ions to be used as a source of fuel for the plant as a whole. The plant, in turn, allocates those resources according to what part of its life cycle it is in. In the case of a plant in late bloom, the entire focus of the plant is producing flowers. It will take whatever resources it has to accomplish this goal. If you stop providing a source of exogenous nutrients it will begin cannibalizing stored nutrients from its own biomass to provide the buds what they need.
Here comes the big question so read this next part carefully....

What is the chemical difference between what the plant sends to the buds to facilitate development while being fed exogenously, versus what it sends to the buds to facilitate development when it is pulling the nutrients from its own biomass?

If you can provide scientifically verifiable evidence that the ions being used by the buds for developement are different when provided exogenously you will officially be the first person to actually prove that 'flushing' makes the flowers better.

Lastly, the reduction of chlorophyll compounds in the buds is a function of proper drying and curing. Black ash, buds that go snap crackle pop, bad flavor.... all a product of improper post harvest drying/curing.

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NanoGadget said:

I'm going to say this one more time and never again on this forum because it's exhausting.

When you feed a plant in flower you don't end up with "buds full of fertilizer". There is a very specific set of internal processes that allow particular ions to be used as a source of fuel for the plant as a whole. The plant, in turn, allocates those resources according to what part of its life cycle it is in. In the case of a plant in late bloom, the entire focus of the plant is producing flowers. It will take whatever resources it has to accomplish this goal. If you stop providing a source of exogenous nutrients it will begin cannibalizing stored nutrients from its own biomass to provide the buds what they need.
Here comes the big question so read this next part carefully....

What is the chemical difference between what the plant sends to the buds to facilitate development while being fed exogenously, versus what it sends to the buds to facilitate development when it is pulling the nutrients from its own biomass?

If you can provide scientifically verifiable evidence that the ions being used by the buds for developement are different when provided exogenously you will officially be the first person to actually prove that 'flushing' makes the flowers better.

Lastly, the reduction of chlorophyll compounds in the buds is a function of proper drying and curing. Black ash, buds that go snap crackle pop, bad flavor.... all a product of improper post harvest drying/curing.

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chiqifella said:

Many sour grapes vs fewer sweeter ones
I grow for love not money

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chiqifella said:

While I tend to agree, I challenge you to pour bottled nutrients on your tomatoes every week until finished. Now tell me what they smell like, what they taste like? in dirt even

the same goes for a hydro operation. That basil fed full strength to the end tastes like a golf course green on Saturday morning man. That simply is not the case when nutrient supply is tapered towards finish ime.

yes, more nutrients makes heavier plants, more cabbage, but NOT more thc. More weight for sure, but a lower thc % by weight.
Some grow for money weight, feed full to the end, ferment the extra unused back out of the plant material, just to make it usable. or...

Some grow for tasty quality, allow the plant to feed naturally, fade naturally, and dry naturally. This way the buds are smooth and perfect as soon as the material is slow dried, without fermentation. tobacco growers feed to the end, then they ferment the excess with smoke and heat and bacteria and the leaf is still hacking nasty.

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chiqifella said:

While I tend to agree, I challenge you to pour bottled nutrients on your tomatoes every week until finished. Now tell me what they smell like, what they taste like? in dirt even

the same goes for a hydro operation. That basil fed full strength to the end tastes like a golf course green on Saturday morning man. That simply is not the case when nutrient supply is tapered towards finish ime.

yes, more nutrients makes heavier plants, more cabbage, but NOT more thc. More weight for sure, but a lower thc % by weight.
Some grow for money weight, feed full to the end, ferment the extra unused back out of the plant material, just to make it usable. or...

Some grow for tasty quality, allow the plant to feed naturally, fade naturally, and dry naturally. This way the buds are smooth and perfect as soon as the material is slow dried, without fermentation. tobacco growers feed to the end, then they ferment the excess with smoke and heat and bacteria and the leaf is still hacking nasty.

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NanoGadget said:

Here is where I agree with the pro flushing crowd to a degree. I think that excessive feeding at the end (especially N) can change the flavor profile of any fruiting plant.

I just choose to avoid this my slowly...........tapering ..........my feed down........ in late flower ..........so that I end up at about 1/4 strength a week from harvest and I give water only for the final watering.

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