NanoGadget
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Agreed.
Leaves not fading after flush?
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Roger A. Shrubber
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why is it i've been saying this for two years, but every week or two there's another thread debating it, till they come to the same conclusion i've been promoting for two years?
chiqifella
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I add composted poop biweekly to promix, and water only. No other food source enters my substrate.
I skip the last feeding and only use water to the end. Some could say thats flushing, but its the same water amount/frequency used each time the dirt is dry and light. I dont call that flushing, but will allow others too.
I skip the last feeding and only use water to the end. Some could say thats flushing, but its the same water amount/frequency used each time the dirt is dry and light. I dont call that flushing, but will allow others too.
NanoGadget
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That's also one of the things I really enjoyed about rDWC. I could really fine tune the taper. You can see the results of any change in feeding very rapidly and if it looks like the taper is too fast or too slow you can immediately adjust. It's also why I'm working to master organic, water only growing. It really aims at letting the plant choose when it wants to feed and when it doesn't. No force feeding to excess followed by a mad scramble to force a fade.
NanoGadget
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You and me both. I honestly think its partly that people are unwilling to break with what they see as gospel, partly a misunderstanding of what we mean when we say flush.
chiqifella
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the tobacco industry dictated this feed full to the end shit, for more cabbage.
they also cure, like crazy, because their profitable weight is useless with all those unburned carbs still in
the plant material. They ferment their cabbage till excess sugar is gone. sugar is good in fruit, not so much in
leafy vegetables or smoking baccy.
just like decarbing, orginally(trash to stash) used for croppers to immediately use their scraps. They had to first dry them, so they quick dried and found it could work for them in edibles and concentrates, but smoking it sucked. They didnt want the fuss of drying pounds of leafy floor sweeps is all. We all know time decarbs during the drying stage and the less unburned sugars there are remaining the quicker our buds will be usable
they also cure, like crazy, because their profitable weight is useless with all those unburned carbs still in
the plant material. They ferment their cabbage till excess sugar is gone. sugar is good in fruit, not so much in
leafy vegetables or smoking baccy.
just like decarbing, orginally(trash to stash) used for croppers to immediately use their scraps. They had to first dry them, so they quick dried and found it could work for them in edibles and concentrates, but smoking it sucked. They didnt want the fuss of drying pounds of leafy floor sweeps is all. We all know time decarbs during the drying stage and the less unburned sugars there are remaining the quicker our buds will be usable
Stink Bug
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Very well put. That my friends is the bottom line. Stop blaming feeding habits and learn how to properly dry and cure your harvests....
NanoGadget
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Kingrow1
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What works for me should work for all, my variables should be close to what the plant needs and wants. I disagree that what works for some dosent work for others because in that situation your obviously not doing what the majority of growers that produce lush green plants at harvest are doing.
Anything but green is a lacking as chlorophyll is king to growth and natures tool for energy as atp and simple sugars.
What has been proposed are hard and fast ways to finish a well grown plant, the same results were seen by many here so ergo that is the point of knowledge.
We gave meaning to flushing and not but ultimately you can feed up to harvest if you dont go over what a plant wants and still get primo buds. Effective flushing and fadeing is more for those that have mastered the syeps before.
Stink Bug
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Dinosaurs don't eat flushed buds, everybody knows that! They prefer the primo!
GNOME GROWN
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Most subjective topic on growing ever but here's my 2 cents..
It all comes down to your grow media and what you're feeding the plants.
IMO soil/organic growers don't have to flush, just give the plants plain water unless you have fed salt based nutrients for some reason then you should flush your soil pots prior to harvest.
Soilless mixes, coco, hydro growers are mostly using salt based nutrients and 100% IMO should be flushed out prior to harvest.
Could always do a test and flush half of your plants don't flush the other half see what you like for yourself.
It all comes down to your grow media and what you're feeding the plants.
IMO soil/organic growers don't have to flush, just give the plants plain water unless you have fed salt based nutrients for some reason then you should flush your soil pots prior to harvest.
Soilless mixes, coco, hydro growers are mostly using salt based nutrients and 100% IMO should be flushed out prior to harvest.
Could always do a test and flush half of your plants don't flush the other half see what you like for yourself.
Stink Bug
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Organics are salts too. Salts are what plants feed on. The whole if you fed salts theory has no merit.
GNOME GROWN
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Sure but most organic growers aren't dumping bottles of salt based nutes down their plants. I don't know any organic growers that use bottled nutes, just straight water through the whole grow, sometimes some home made fpj. I myself grow in soilless mix and use bottled nutes so I flush for the last 10 days. My friends growing organic dont flush at all and have super clean smoke. Again, very subjective...
Kingrow1
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Well technically not salt salts but yer nutes are nutes, you can over or under dose with both and the results are similar.
I too dont get how it makes a difference, organics employs a lot more and chems are simpler, a leaf is still a leaf, not much changes until you overdo it.
Roger A. Shrubber
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plants take up ions of nutrients....they could give a shit if the ions come from the microbes in the ground breaking stuff down for them, or if it comes already bite sized in the form of mineral salts....ions are ions...plants don't absorb the salts, that's why you have to get rid of the salts somehow. if you are growing in pots or hempies, just getting a little run off when you water is enough to do that. the reason you're doing it is too much salt is bad for your roots. not because the plant is absorbing them. they don't. ever. so what exactly are you getting rid of out of the plant by "flushing" ? nothing. at all. ever. period.
Lip G.
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Sorry guys .. just a little off topic .. but I have been trying to find a thread on my particular situation and just cannot find it:
I am in week 8 - 9 flower (Black India - Soil - no hard flip to 12-12 gradual decrease over a week to prevent hermies)
I have done the first flush with clearing solution - and will do a second - problem being, in the 40 litre square container, the drying out part is taking FOR EVER ... luckily, I'm only seeing maybe about 2% amber - it's now a week since the first clearing flush and the medium is still pretty wet ... I need to plan on a second Clear flush, then need to run some plain ph'd water ..
Is there a way for me to help the soil dry out between all these flushes?
I tried to start a separate conversation but couldn't find a way to save the new thread .. sorry for barging in.
These are all the same plant .. different lights on at the beginning (red) then only clear cfl and phone camera flash on macro (cheap phone sorry)
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Lordhooha
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Just don’t flush
Lip G.
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Please forgive ... at the specific instructions of my gardening supplier .. seems to be an expert , I have been using Gaia Green Power Bloom which is organic .. but for the flowering weeks 6 and 7 i used Growtek Power Bloom 0-50-30...... and for weeks 8 - 9 Advanced Nutruients Overdrive 1-5-4 - and for that, my supplier tells me it is VERY important to flush .. I use CLEARING Solution Hydroponic Specialty Root Wash by Rambridge .. which is a close to organic clearing solutuion .. I'm not as stressed about this now .. I see many saying that the seed breeder gives themselves very flattering turn around times from seed to harvest .. and I now see this taking 11 - 12 weeks easy ... I do need to check trich's again properly today and I'm hoping I have a few more weeks .. then I can get the flushes done - I'm sorry but maybe you didn't know I was using synthetic nutrients for flowering.
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