List of Reasons You Don't Believe In God.

Hepheastus420 said:
It's all good man, :).

You're just gonna stick to your beliefs and call them facts, but don't expect people to really listen to you.

I'm not gonna call god a fact since I have no proof at all.
All I can say is I hope there is a loving god. If not, well that's fine with me. It's bittersweet.

What exactly did god say to you my friend?
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Maybe nobody will believe, but I just wanted to maybe add my thoughts to this thread for some reason. And I don't want to say what I have heard.
 
snowmanexpress said:
Maybe nobody will believe, but I just wanted to maybe add my thoughts to this thread for some reason. And I don't want to say what I have heard.
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I respect your beliefs, but nobody else says it's a fact that god doesn't exist, so I don't think you should call your beliefs facts. Are you worried that people will bash on what god said to you? If that's the case, pm me what he said.
 
Hepheastus420 said:
I respect your beliefs,THANKS..... but nobody else says it's a fact that god doesn't exist, NEITHER AM I.... so I don't think you should call your beliefs facts. WHY NOT I HEARD HIS VOICE FOR A FACT......?? Are you worried that people will bash on what god said to you? YES..... If that's the case, pm me what he said. NO THANKS......
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I respect your beliefs,THANKS WHATS SAD ABOUT ME IS I CAN ONLY RESPECT YOURS IF YOU SAY THERE IS A GOD, ISN'T THAT KINDA SCREWY OF ME....SORRY TO DO THAT TO YOU BUT I NEED TO EMPHASIZE THERE IS A LIVING GOD.

but nobody else says it's a fact that god doesn't exist, NEITHER AM I....BUT I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE PEOPLE OFF HAND LIKE, DAWKINS POSSIBLY, BUT TO AN EFFECT, AS CREATIVE AS HIS THOUGHTS ARE, YOU WONDER IF INSTINCTIVELY HE WOULD HOPE FOR A GOD TOO. AND IT'S JUST A BIG JOKE ANYWAY TO MAKE A COUPLE BUCKS, WHY NOT.

so I don't think you should call your beliefs facts. WHY NOT? I HEARD HIS VOICE FOR A FACT AND CAN GUARANTEE WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY TO YOU THERE IS A GOD...

Are you worried that people will bash on what god said to you? YES.....

If that's the case, pm me what he said. NO THANKS.....
 
just a couple... bongsmilie
[video=youtube;NviLvMRbGoE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NviLvMRbGoE&list=LLHvk-_04U1uN2pUjkNdIs3g&index=11&feature=plpp_video[/video]


[video=youtube;aRc9qkhVQQs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRc9qkhVQQs&feature=channel_video_title[/video]

[video=youtube;lR72G8dRh4k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR72G8dRh4k&feature=channel_video_title[/video]

there are better but i too stoned to find em
 
snowmanexpress said:
I respect your beliefs,THANKS WHATS SAD ABOUT ME IS I CAN ONLY RESPECT YOURS IF YOU SAY THERE IS A GOD, ISN'T THAT KINDA SCREWY OF ME....SORRY TO DO THAT TO YOU BUT I NEED TO EMPHASIZE THERE IS A LIVING GOD.

but nobody else says it's a fact that god doesn't exist, NEITHER AM I....BUT I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE PEOPLE OFF HAND LIKE, DAWKINS POSSIBLY, BUT TO AN EFFECT, AS CREATIVE AS HIS THOUGHTS ARE, YOU WONDER IF INSTINCTIVELY HE WOULD HOPE FOR A GOD TOO. AND IT'S JUST A BIG JOKE ANYWAY TO MAKE A COUPLE BUCKS, WHY NOT.

so I don't think you should call your beliefs facts. WHY NOT? I HEARD HIS VOICE FOR A FACT AND CAN GUARANTEE WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY TO YOU THERE IS A GOD...

Are you worried that people will bash on what god said to you? YES.....

If that's the case, pm me what he said. NO THANKS.....
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I do believe in god, but I don't want your respect just because of my beliefs. By giving respect just based on beliefs, you're no better than some athiests that disrespect religious people based on the religious persons beliefs.

You did say it was a fact, you can't say that you didn't say god is a fact.

I guess you heard his voice, but it doesn't make god a fact dude.

Why not pm me what he said? I'm very curious and will not bash on your beliefs.

Let's stop going around in circles, :).
 
Hepheastus420 said:
Whaaa? Lol, nah man I'm not an atheist. I'm just another religious guy, but I do have logic and would never kill anyone.

:).
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I think the point is that you don't have complete trust in God. If you believed god was all powerful and all knowing and inherently good, then you would have to carry out his command to kill your baby and trust he had good reason. Remember the hypothetical premise says that you are convinced it is god and are sure of his message. If you would refuse to do as he asked then you have some serious doubts about god. This question is designed to get people to be specific about what they believe. If you are not athiest, yet do not believe in an omniscient god, then what do you believe in? Someone who is powerful enough to create everything yet not responsible enough to oversee it? Doesn't much sound like a god worthy of worship.
 
I would definitely doubt gods power and lose trust for him if he would make me kill someone for no reason. But having doubts about gods master plan doesn't make me a atheist, it makes me a hypocrite.
 
Humans are intransicaly perfect belonging to the universe,It is every mind of mankind that questions and contests this perfection that is afflicted with doubt and delusion.By Questioning and contesting this meaning I mean to say we have complicated the simplicity of existence with the minds ego,thus so many need to believe or feel the need to believe in God.Take the god complex out of the line of thinking all together and you have yourself,maybe even the truth of self.But of course one must venture outside of their comfort zones of belief first,then the undertaking of truth begins.
 
Dislexicmidget2021 said:
Humans are intransicaly perfect belonging to the universe,It is every mind of mankind that questions and contests this perfection that is afflicted with doubt and delusion.By Questioning and contesting this meaning I mean to say we have complicated the simplicity of existence with the minds ego,thus so many need to believe or feel the need to believe in God.Take the god complex out of the line of thinking all together and you have yourself,maybe even the truth of self.But of course one must venture outside of their comfort zones of belief first,then the undertaking of truth begins.
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..."cut off the head", they say. There are 2 obvious meanings here.
 
Hepheastus420 said:
I would definitely doubt gods power and lose trust for him if he would make me kill someone for no reason. But having doubts about gods master plan doesn't make me a atheist, it makes me a hypocrite.
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I'm not sure it makes you atheist or hypocritical, I think it means you are confused and unfocused about what you believe. Any sane person would question a command from God to kill, but not many have stopped to think about what this means. It means you feel that you may know better than God. It means you are not convinced of his glory. It means you do not take to heart most of what the bible says (which we already knew). It means, above all, that you trust in yourself. Perhaps the God standing behind you and guiding your intuition is actually you. Perhaps it is your mind, your being, which is worthy of worship and glory. That might explain why, when you try to apply your idea of God to a practical world, you run into problems such as this. The feeling you have of God is real, but the image you have is simply a distorted and unrecognized reflection of yourself.
 
snowmanexpress said:
I respect your beliefs,THANKS WHATS SAD ABOUT ME IS I CAN ONLY RESPECT YOURS IF YOU SAY THERE IS A GOD, ISN'T THAT KINDA SCREWY OF ME....SORRY TO DO THAT TO YOU BUT I NEED TO EMPHASIZE THERE IS A LIVING GOD.

but nobody else says it's a fact that god doesn't exist, NEITHER AM I....BUT I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE PEOPLE OFF HAND LIKE, DAWKINS POSSIBLY, BUT TO AN EFFECT, AS CREATIVE AS HIS THOUGHTS ARE, YOU WONDER IF INSTINCTIVELY HE WOULD HOPE FOR A GOD TOO. AND IT'S JUST A BIG JOKE ANYWAY TO MAKE A COUPLE BUCKS, WHY NOT.

so I don't think you should call your beliefs facts. WHY NOT? I HEARD HIS VOICE FOR A FACT AND CAN GUARANTEE WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY TO YOU THERE IS A GOD...

Are you worried that people will bash on what god said to you? YES.....

If that's the case, pm me what he said. NO THANKS.....
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Dawkins never ever said "there is no God". However he DID say that the strict fundamentalist application of Biblical text to all of life, such as science, is obvious garbage.
The two statements are very different.

As far as taking a third-person account, however sincere, and using it as valid support for the existence andor nature of God ... that doesn't work. I and many others would require something more ... substantive.
You seem to imply that requiring a higher level of validation for God, at least his existence or relevance to our daily lives, and the more involved question of what he does/wants, isn't the right way to go. I hope I am msunderstanding this, because I will not give any God the "time of day" if he won't submit himself to examination. I have an instinctive immediate antipathy toward any God who plays head games and sets up arbitrary loyalty tests as exemplified (in the Christian faiths) by the passage Romans 1:20.
cn
 
Heisenberg said:
I'm not sure it makes you atheist or hypocritical, I think it means you are confused and unfocused about what you believe. Any sane person would question a command from God to kill, but not many have stopped to think about what this means. It means you feel that you may know better than God. It means you are not convinced of his glory. It means you do not take to heart most of what the bible says (which we already knew). It means, above all, that you trust in yourself. Perhaps the God standing behind you and guiding your intuition is actually you. Perhaps it is your mind, your being, which is worthy of worship and glory. That might explain why, when you try to apply your idea of God to a practical world, you run into problems such as this. The feeling you have of God is real, but the image you have is simply a distorted and unrecognized reflection of yourself.
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Imo the Penn Gillette assertion "Then you're an atheist" creates a false dichotomy.
It requires of the believer to take the belief to an extreme, sort of like forcing any&all believers in Biblical doctrine to subscribe to patently absurd "creation science". There are shadings and gradations ... most the result of avoiding deep thought, but some quite considered and sincere.
In heph's defense I'll raise a possibility I consider neglected:
a command from God to do something awful, like kill someone, might be false.
Of course this opens a whole 'nother can of worms: a sound verity test for supposed divine communiqués.
cn
 
Heisenberg said:
I'm not sure it makes you atheist or hypocritical, I think it means you are confused and unfocused about what you believe. Any sane person would question a command from God to kill, but not many have stopped to think about what this means. It means you feel that you may know better than God. It means you are not convinced of his glory. It means you do not take to heart most of what the bible says (which we already knew). It means, above all, that you trust in yourself. Perhaps the God standing behind you and guiding your intuition is actually you. Perhaps it is your mind, your being, which is worthy of worship and glory. That might explain why, when you try to apply your idea of God to a practical world, you run into problems such as this. The feeling you have of God is real, but the image you have is simply a distorted and unrecognized reflection of yourself.
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...this is pretty powerful. No tone, just expression. :) (I mention 'tone' in an overall sub-forum sense, not to you particularly.)

I was listening to something recently that described well (for me) the notion of an oversoul. I'll paraphrase: It is spiritual vision that sees God in other people. If only God can see the face of God, well then...

There's a greek word, telesma, that 'says' the same. A charged artifact / consecrated object.
 
cannabineer said:
Imo the Penn Gillette assertion "Then you're an atheist" creates a false dichotomy.
It requires of the believer to take the belief to an extreme, sort of like forcing any&all believers in Biblical doctrine to subscribe to patently absurd "creation science". There are shadings and gradations ... most the result of avoiding deep thought, but some quite considered and sincere.
In heph's defense I'll raise a possibility I consider neglected:
a command from God to do something awful, like kill someone, might be false.
Of course this opens a whole 'nother can of worms: a sound verity test for supposed divine communiqués.
cn
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...we're always being tested to discern! "the devil 'appears' as an angel of light" :)
 
cannabineer said:
I don't believe that. ~sticks out tongue~ :D cn
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...na na nana na! :) Then why do some do and some don't do unspeakable things? From my own experience, I can say I've 'heard' an internal voice / thought. 20 stories up... "you will fall into arms that last forever, but never fall" were the actual words on a painting I had done. I was holding it, and really wondering which was which. When a person is rapidly approaching psychosis, who drives the 'normal' person? For me, there was a left or right path to choose, whether I knew it or not. It wasn't a random thing. This was the culmination of some very poor decision making that pushed me to the ultimate question. And, Hi, by the way... :)

Jakabok Botch said:
the devil (lucifer) is the bringer of light :eyesmoke:
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...yep! The 'container', ego.
 
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