LUCAS FORMULA - Hydroponic Grow Journal

Bob Smith

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One thing about waiting between change outs: I started having deficiencies at about two weeks on my first ebb and grow crop. If you see any discoloration or weird growth, change out the res immediately.

You should do a journal on your next grow.
Yeah, I didn't notice any deficiencies, per se, but I'd like to try changing every two weeks and see what that does for me.

I have a journal for the grow I just completed (in sig), and my next journal will start in about a week, when I've switched to 12/12 (hopefully).

Rooting 196 clones right now and the best 144 will be flowered out in my 4x4 tray - gonna be a tight fit, should be interesting.
 

Odis

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I put the clones in on the 18th and gave them plain water for a week as you sugested. so they have been getting nutz for what.. 8 days. im up to 700 PPM was going to change rez today but looks like it will be tomorrow. not sure how well these photos are. color looks good just a tad on the dark side maybe, but not much. I am still very much a Green Horn.. do they look ok to you? can you tell from pic? seem to really be taking off..
 

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GreenThumbSucker

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I put the clones in on the 18th and gave them plain water for a week as you sugested. so they have been getting nutz for what.. 8 days. im up to 700 PPM was going to change rez today but looks like it will be tomorrow. not sure how well these photos are. color looks good just a tad on the dark side maybe, but not much. I am still very much a Green Horn.. do they look ok to you? can you tell from pic? seem to really be taking off..


Picture didnt come through, upload them through the manage attachments applet. When they take off, you know it fer sure!
 

don2009

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Hey greenthumb AWESOME thread!!!!! Very detail on reports this is a great learners guide, very helpful. Hey can you explain the lucas formula a little more detail I really want try that formula. What and how do you mix them? Is that the only formula nutes you use, besides h202 & cal-mag during flowering? Dame Icant belive you had no co2 also that is insane imaging when you get co2 WOW! Im very impressed with that results already wait tell you get that. They also grew crazy fast , I like the idea of you keeping the resivior pretty cool that make since with like the rain outside being pretty cool Thanks bro good luck
 

GreenThumbSucker

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Hey greenthumb AWESOME thread!!!!! Very detail on reports this is a great learners guide, very helpful. Hey can you explain the lucas formula a little more detail I really want try that formula. What and how do you mix them? Is that the only formula nutes you use, besides h202 & cal-mag during flowering? Dame Icant belive you had no co2 also that is insane imaging when you get co2 WOW! Im very impressed with that results already wait tell you get that. They also grew crazy fast , I like the idea of you keeping the resivior pretty cool that make since with like the rain outside being pretty cool Thanks bro good luck
The Lucas Formula uses only the Micro and Bloom parts of the General Hydroponics three part Flora series fertilizer.

The Micro and Bloom are used at a 1:2 ratio
1 part Micro
2 parts Bloom

Micro and bloom are added at this ratio until the PPM is 1300. Every 2 or 3 days the reservoir is topped off and more micro and bloom are added at the 1:2 ratio to bring the PPM back up to 1300.

Every time you top off the reservoir you zero in on the 1300 PPM number.

The PPM can drift between 1200 and 1400 PPM between top offs.

Its that simple.

Here is the 'Ask Lucas' thread from Cannabis world, you should read the whole thing:

http://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=892

Here is a more detailed explanation from a thread on this site:

General Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)

Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.

Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:

((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)

Example:

((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro

53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.

Using Hard Water GH Micro

I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.

One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.
 

Odis

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Im sorry i didn't realize the pictures were not coming thur.. I was able to edit my last post. hope you can see them now? i guess you can only edit your last post?? I was just pasting the pics to the message, I could see them just fine..HA ! here is the pics from previous posts as well..
 

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Odis

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I use the Lucas Formula for my soil plants as well.. Feed, water, water, feed.. Seems to work just as well in the soil.. for both veg and flower. Shes not as dark green as the photo appers. this is a Blue Berry about 2 weeks into flower. Lucas is all shes has ever had. What can i say I like Easy..
 

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smokingrubber

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Im sorry i didn't realize the pictures were not coming thur.. I was able to edit my last post. hope you can see them now? i guess you can only edit your last post?? I was just pasting the pics to the message, I could see them just fine..HA ! here is the pics from previous posts as well..
Love the pics and it looks like you're well on your way. The only problem is, this is GreenThumbSucker's personal Grow Journal. This is a thread about HIS grow, not yours. We enjoy reading about your grow, but it would be more appropriate if you created your own journal. Thanks.
 

derk79

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Love the pics and it looks like you're well on your way. The only problem is, this is GreenThumbSucker's personal Grow Journal. This is a thread about HIS grow, not yours. We enjoy reading about your grow, but it would be more appropriate if you created your own journal. Thanks.

hey pics are always good to look at so if greenthumb doesnt mind keep pics going!!!
 

smokingrubber

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hey pics are always good to look at so if greenthumb doesnt mind keep pics going!!!
Pics ARE good (I believe I mentioned that before). But hijacking someone's thread isn't. If he wants a place to log his progress, he should create his own like everyone else does. I have posted pics in other threads but when I'm providing progress updates of my grow, they belong in my personal journal... not yours. I'm not trying to be a dick. Just mentioning the rules.
 

GreenThumbSucker

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Pics ARE good (I believe I mentioned that before). But hijacking someone's thread isn't. If he wants a place to log his progress, he should create his own like everyone else does. I have posted pics in other threads but when I'm providing progress updates of my grow, they belong in my personal journal... not yours. I'm not trying to be a dick. Just mentioning the rules.
Its OK, I asked him to post them. I love pictures.

It would be nice to see a journal using sure to grow inserts with the ebb and grow though, now that you mention it.

Every grow journal adds more and more to the pool of knowledge shared by the community. All in the name of science!
 

smokingrubber

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Its OK, I asked him to post them. I love pictures.

It would be nice to see a journal using sure to grow inserts with the ebb and grow though, now that you mention it.

Every grow journal adds more and more to the pool of knowledge shared by the community. All in the name of science!
I agree. I'll be first in line to watch your journal Odis. I would NOT be growing the nugs I am today without this community. :clap: I love pictures too.

 

Odis

Active Member
Sorry guys.. I was not trying to highjack anyone's journal. I was just happy to run across GreenThumb because he is using the same system and basically the same nutz. I would love to do my own journal but i just dont have the time right now, to do it justice. so the best i can do is give an update now and then. and will do so here if GreenTS doesnt mind? And really the only reason i had given some info and pics was so GreenTS knew what i was using and if he had any suggestions that might help. So Thanks GreenTS ! for all the time and effort you have put into this journal it HAS help me!! And COME ON he had to tell me how to post the photo as it was!!! and you want me to do a journal? HA.,HA !!! I guess if GreenTS want to start a journal on how to post a journal..? But Please if there are, any of my posts that need to be removed please let me know how, and I will remove them..
:weed:
 

don2009

Well-Known Member
The Lucas Formula uses only the Micro and Bloom parts of the General Hydroponics three part Flora series fertilizer.

The Micro and Bloom are used at a 1:2 ratio
1 part Micro
2 parts Bloom

Micro and bloom are added at this ratio until the PPM is 1300. Every 2 or 3 days the reservoir is topped off and more micro and bloom are added at the 1:2 ratio to bring the PPM back up to 1300.

Every time you top off the reservoir you zero in on the 1300 PPM number.

The PPM can drift between 1200 and 1400 PPM between top offs.

Its that simple.

Here is the 'Ask Lucas' thread from Cannabis world, you should read the whole thing:

http://www.cannabis-world.org/cw/showthread.php?t=892

Here is a more detailed explanation from a thread on this site:

General Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I dont use any of the Flora “Grow” formula, do not need to, the Flora "Micro" provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 µS
0-5-10: 1184 µS
0-8-16: 1894 µS

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)

Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.

Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:

((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)

Example:

((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro

53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.

Using Hard Water GH Micro

I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.

One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.
WoW thanks for that info real helpful def +++rep
 

mr.smileyface

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My cousin did the lucas formula on outdoors and they turned out like shit. My miracle grow 15-30-15 did better than that formula.
Why would you cut 1 of the 3 parts. WHy wouldnt you just get the two part?
 

GreenThumbSucker

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My cousin did the lucas formula on outdoors and they turned out like shit. My miracle grow 15-30-15 did better than that formula.
Why would you cut 1 of the 3 parts. WHy wouldnt you just get the two part?
When I grow outside I use miracle grow and just the bloom part of the GH flora when I flower. Outdoors is a different animal.

Post all the updates you want here odis.

Nice looking plants Smokingrubber, look to be about 3 or 4 weeks along? I too learned pretty much everything I know about hydroponics either here or at cannabisculture.com
 

smokingrubber

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Nice looking plants Smokingrubber, look to be about 3 or 4 weeks along? I too learned pretty much everything I know about hydroponics either here or at cannabisculture.com
Yep, 4 weeks in! :clap: I have a fat doobie for ya bro :joint: Good eye. She's not quite "porn" yet ... but I have high hopes.
 

Odis

Active Member
Just a quick update. its been 8 days since the first photos. so far kick'n butt ! no isues with the STG so far.. GreenTS I have noticed that the plants droop pretty bad about an hr before lights out. i have been playing with flood times and was up to 6 floods per day last one about 1 1/2hr before lights out. thought the drooping was due to over flooding but now im down to 3 times a day and the last flood 2 1/2 before lights out. and they still have the droop same time every day? they have been doing this the whole time regardless of flood times started out with 1 flood per day. By morning and when the lights kick on there back up preky and grown like mad? hell i swear i can go in and there bigger every hr.
should i be worried about the drooping at the end of light cycle?? they all do it and i have 3 dif starins going??

Thanks again for letting me post here and Thanks a whole BUNCH for all your help!!!!!!
 

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