Manifolding Nirvana - Wonder Woman + AK48

Looking good bud.

As I got a similar setup with a few mainlined plants, did you count the days into flower from flipping to 12/12, or first sign of pistules?

@eNt31 Thanks!

I keep it simple and count flower days from flip to 12/12. When the lights come on after the first 12 hours of darkness, that's day 1 of flower for me.

Expecting to harvest these girls early-mid January

iPerculate said:

@eNt31 Thanks!

I keep it simple and count flower days from flip to 12/12. When the lights come on after the first 12 hours of darkness, that's day 1 of flower for me.

Expecting to harvest these girls early-mid January

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Alright, cool

I got 3 Wonder Women going, two of em manifolded/mainlined.

Vegged mine 4 more weeks than I was planning for, which led me to keep some of the shoots... basically got 8 tops and a little field of smaller tops in the middle.. should be on track for a late January harvest.
I'll see if I cant get a few pictures up when they feel photogenic to compare with yours. Definitely following!

Your plant trimming is perfect! (or close to it!) I learned a lot reading through your thread!

I notice you have a BET-1 controller. It appears you have only one device plugged into it (link), but I understand it has two outlets. Are those outlets independent of each other, with the programming capability of separate on and off times? Or are both outlets on and off at the same times?

iPerculate said:

Sorry for the late reply, I was out of town and have been away from the plants since my last post. While I was gone I had someone come by and water them plain ph'd water and fill up the humidifier. While I greatly appreciate this, it looks like they only watered around the outside of the pots and didn't do it evenly like I normally do.

The WW especially has a lot of really dry dirt around the outside but the inside near the base is still pretty moist. The fan leaves are coning up a little like they normally do when they are thirsty but I will wait another day or 2 before watering. I took a total of 8 clones total from the WW today and trimmed a few other shoots/fan leaves. A little nute burn on the tips coming in so i'll give plain water the next couple times.

The AK has the same situation with the water but still looks good. Also removed fan leaves and shoots from the lower nodes. No clones taken from this one.

@DancesWithWeeds I took some pics with a standard size bic lighter this time.



Viparspectra 450W.

Actual pull from the wall is 200W per light. I have 1 light above each plant right now, may add more for flower.

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I have the same 450 w light
What do you think of them? I read all great reviews before I ordred mine. The price point is awseome and allowed me to get an led for my stealth cabinet.

eNt31 said:

Alright, cool

I got 3 Wonder Women going, two of em manifolded/mainlined.

Vegged mine 4 more weeks than I was planning for, which led me to keep some of the shoots... basically got 8 tops and a little field of smaller tops in the middle.. should be on track for a late January harvest.
I'll see if I cant get a few pictures up when they feel photogenic to compare with yours. Definitely following!

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Very nice, I don't mind if you post a few pics of your plants in this thread. Would be nice to see a similar grow done, perhaps we can learn from each other. This will be my 3rd run of the Wonder Woman, only have 1 more seed left of it after this. I would grow it again, but man there are so many different strains out there that I need to try next. If I were to manifold any bigger than this I would like to try a 16 cola monster. The clones I took earlier from the WW are still alive and well, and will be used in a future manifold grow with different techniques.

simpleleaf said:

Your plant trimming is perfect! (or close to it!) I learned a lot reading through your thread!

I notice you have a BET-1 controller. It appears you have only one device plugged into it (link), but I understand it has two outlets. Are those outlets independent of each other, with the programming capability of separate on and off times? Or are both outlets on and off at the same times?

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Thanks again, it's all about spreading good info.

I do have the BET-1 controller, 2 of them actually (1 for each tent). They are very nice controllers with battery backup for when the power goes out. They do have two outlets per unit. The outlets are not independent of each other. You program the controller and both outlets go on/off together.

The reason I have only 1 device plugged into the timer is because the lights are daisy chained together. So I have light 1 plugged into the timer, and light 2 is plugged into a receptacle on light 1.

Miathedog said:

I have the same 450 w light
What do you think of them? I read all great reviews before I ordred mine. The price point is awesome and allowed me to get an led for my stealth cabinet.

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I do love these lights. I see a lot of people talk trash about these pre-made LED lights on this forum. Most of them pissing contests with who can build the coolest looking quantum or cob or whatever. Bottom line is these lights do the job for me and many others judged by the reviews.

The 450 was a good size for me, I have 3 of them now. The 450W model has 2 cooling fans and does very well, have had them going more than a year with no issues.

They are introducing the Par 1350 at the end of December. Im considering going that route but its hard giving up my HID's I know they definitely produce nice buds. Im currently running a 600 watt hps and a 400 watt mh together. I hope the 1350 will work as well or maybe two 900's. I love your manifold technique. It was done perfectly. My current plants were done but no where as nice as yours. Great job and post.

This was my attempt of manifolding. I started by tying the seedlings down at a 180 angle when they were 2 inches high. Then about 2 weeks later i topped them. Finaly as all the main colas grew i tied them right down to the rim of the pot. I wrapped bungee cords around the pots then used pipe cleaners from plant to bungee cord. They ate now in week 9 with 12 to 16 main big big buds. Thats what I did right or wrong it worked well for me.

Miathedog said:

This was my attempt of manifolding. I started by tying the seedlings down at a 180 angle when they were 2 inches high. Then about 2 weeks later i topped them. Finaly as all the main colas grew i tied them right down to the rim of the pot. I wrapped bungee cords around the pots then used pipe cleaners from plant to bungee cord. They ate now in week 9 with 12 to 16 main big big buds. Thats what I did right or wrong it worked well for me.View attachment 4244101 View attachment 4244102 View attachment 4244101

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I love this grow! What I wouldn't give to have my light off the ceiling for once!

Here is another lady.

Halfway through week 4 of flower now and I decided to remove the tomato cages. There was a couple buds that were growing into the top rung and interfered with watering and top dressing/amending. It's been about 2 days since I took them off, they both had some branches move a little but still have good spacing. Also removed some more fan leaves here and there.

Looking through nugbuckets guides, I see that he uses cages with only a single ring on the bottom, and ties the plant to the outside of it as it grows up. I will probably cut and modify my cages for next grow and borrow some of his techniques.


With the cages off it was very easy for me to top dress and amend the soil. I have made the transition into fully organic gardening so this has been very important for me. Just looking forward to finishing these off and starting the next one at this point. Can't wait to taste these buds. I have been experimenting with different picture taking techniques. Let me know what you guys think.

Looking super healthy and tasty! Mighty fine

Looking awesome

Looks good man! I started a mainline project in a blue cheese femmed seed but kinda lost interest after the first initial top and strip and just let it go. Wanna see how much a 1/2g pot will produce from going 12/12 after a few weeks. Going to expierment with this one and let it go to seed probably or just let it flower 4 big buds idk yet.

Not quite as nice as your manifold but it was my first attempt. Hopefully I will get better with more practice.

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idk if my old eyes are failing me but this does not seem like a manifold, aka mainline. those are not running parallel to the training device they are running verticle, and i am not so sure this counts as a mainline, regardless nice work.
on a side note i think nebula haze used wonder woman when she posted a manifold grow

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View attachment 4246853 Not quite as nice as your manifold but it was my first attempt. Hopefully I will get better with more practice.

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Don’t take this the wrong way man but did you close your eyes when you cut those stems lol. Cut them shits off lol

outliergenetix said:

idk if my old eyes are failing me but this does not seem like a manifold, aka mainline. those are not running parallel to the training device they are running verticle, and i am not so sure this counts as a mainline, regardless nice work.
on a side note i think nebula haze used wonder woman when she posted a manifold grow

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You are correct, it is sort of a modified mainline.

The idea behind the mainline is to have x amount of equal shoots, with each shoot having equal distance from it's node and the main stem. The traditional way of manifolding involves topping the plant 3 times to achieve 8 equal nodes. The way I have done these plants using "Nebula's" manifolding technique only involves topping the plant 2 times. The main drawback of manifolding is the stunted growth during veg from the heavy training.

If you look back earlier in the thread, or elsewhere online, I described which shoots from which nodes I kept. The 4 shoots from node 1 of each side are indeed closer to the main stem from the shoots of node 3's. However, I think there will be many benefits shared from both of these methods and I was attracted by the shortened veg time of Nebula's way.

I have been keeping a close eye on differences in growth from node 1's to node 3's. In the beginning, it took awhile for the node 3's to catch up after the topping. It is interesting however, that node 1's on the AK are the tallest nodes, and node 3's on the WW are the tallest nodes. Even with similar training.

To best show the difference in technique, i think pictures work better. Attached picture of Wonder Woman is my plant from page 2 of this thread earlier in the grow. "Traditional" picture is not my grow, but another grow done the traditional mainline way, showing the difference.

iPerculate said:

I have been experimenting with different picture taking techniques. Let me know what you guys think.

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I'm new here and wanted to say hello and thank you.

This last photo technique works well. It shows the plants as green with the purple only in the background. It shows the different greens between the two plants, highlights the pistols and shows their "true" color (still white), and we see they are getting frosty too so with your timeline we can compare to our own grows.

Nice. What did you think about these last two photos?