Mass Shooting at Florida Gay Club

Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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OddBall1st said:
That`s bad advice. Most religion`s first rule is love and the second is not to kill, I think that includes Islam.
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Not true, at all. Your ignorance is on full display right here. Anyone who says that is taking an extremely revisionist, and cherry picked view of religion. Fundamentalists are people who adhere to the strictest form of a religion, as close to the holy texts as possible, and it's no coincidence that fundamentalists are also by far the most violent. To follow the rules, as laid out in the holy texts, requires violence. Over and over you are commanded to commit violence against those who transgress against the religion. The great lie about religion is that love is at the heart of it. It's a great way to sell people on your hateful bullshit without telling them what it is up front. "It's all about love. Now read our books which are all about submission and hate and killing people who disagree with you or refuse to follow these bullshit precepts". MOST religions are violent, sexist, and rabidly promoting ignorance.
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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OddBall1st said:
That`s bad advice. Most religion`s first rule is love and the second is not to kill, I think that includes Islam.
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Even with the Ten Commandments, love isn't on there anywhere, and don't kill doesn't come in until number six (and numbers 1-5 are things it says you can be killed for refusing to follow, "Thou shalt not murder" only refers to unlawful murder, and explicitly supports execution for law breaking.)
Here it is commanding you to kill your family if they want to change religions.
From Deuteronomy 13:
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again."
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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Ace Yonder said:
Not true, at all. Your ignorance is on full display right here. Anyone who says that is taking an extremely revisionist, and cherry picked view of religion. Fundamentalists are people who adhere to the strictest form of a religion, as close to the holy texts as possible, and it's no coincidence that fundamentalists are also by far the most violent. To follow the rules, as laid out in the holy texts, requires violence. Over and over you are commanded to commit violence against those who transgress against the religion. The great lie about religion is that love is at the heart of it. It's a great way to sell people on your hateful bullshit without telling them what it is up front. "It's all about love. Now read our books which are all about submission and hate and killing people who disagree with you or refuse to follow these bullshit precepts". MOST religions are violent, sexist, and rabidly promoting ignorance.
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It's all open for interpretation.

Christianity became violent with the catholic church perverting the teachings.

Back in the time of rome and constantine it started.

There will always be immoral people who will use ANYTHING to hurt others.

With or without religion. Although I believe there will always be religion in this world.
 
Ace Yonder

Ace Yonder

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Flaming Pie said:
It's all open for interpretation.

Christianity became violent with the catholic church perverting the teachings.

Back in the time of rome and constantine it started.

There will always be immoral people who will use ANYTHING to hurt others.

With or without religion. Although I believe there will always be religion in this world.
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It's totally not open to interpretation. The bible is very very clear, explicitly so. You can claim a different interpretation, but then you tell people "This is a book written by God" and that book has explicit instructions to commit violence and murder in the name of the religion. There are no ifs ands or buts about it. The Koran is the same way. Most holy texts are.
 
Flaming Pie

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UncleBuck said:
like i even care.
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Then why wish death on them? By brutal islamic extremists that show no mercy?

Have you seen the pictures they take when they execute gays?

They line em up on a roof and then hang them one by one upside down before dropping them on their head.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Flaming Pie said:
Then why wish death on them? By brutal islamic extremists that show no mercy?

Have you seen the pictures they take when they execute gays?

They line em up on a roof and then hang them one by one upside down before dropping them on their head.
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so are you gonna go fight ISIS then?
 
OddBall1st

OddBall1st

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Ace Yonder said:
Not true, at all. Your ignorance is on full display right here. Anyone who says that is taking an extremely revisionist, and cherry picked view of religion. Fundamentalists are people who adhere to the strictest form of a religion, as close to the holy texts as possible, and it's no coincidence that fundamentalists are also by far the most violent. To follow the rules, as laid out in the holy texts, requires violence. Over and over you are commanded to commit violence against those who transgress against the religion. The great lie about religion is that love is at the heart of it. It's a great way to sell people on your hateful bullshit without telling them what it is up front. "It's all about love. Now read our books which are all about submission and hate and killing people who disagree with you or refuse to follow these bullshit precepts". MOST religions are violent, sexist, and rabidly promoting ignorance.
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The only proof is when you die. That`s why it`s a belief and not a law. Faith does not require effort.

There is and Oak tree out front that feels as you do. In the fall it sheds nuts.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Flaming Pie said:
Sorry but what is ncic and do they normally flag people under investigation?
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When you buy a gun you fill out a form for a NCIC. Its a criminal records check. It can go through instant or you can be put on hold or denied. Denial is a problem.

I don't think people under investigation are flagged. I don't know that I want them to be. Innocent until proven guilty.

I don't know what could've been done. Its just aggravating that this guy told people what he was going to do and it wasn't stopped.
 
OddBall1st

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Ace Yonder said:
Even with the Ten Commandments, love isn't on there anywhere, and don't kill doesn't come in until number six (and numbers 1-5 are things it says you can be killed for refusing to follow, "Thou shalt not murder" only refers to unlawful murder, and explicitly supports execution for law breaking.)
Here it is commanding you to kill your family if they want to change religions.
From Deuteronomy 13:
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again."
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Maybe you forgot or never read about Jesus. He will be there when you die. You will have to die first.

When God tell one to kill, you have the highest command that no other can give. Paddy our member took way too long to figure out how Noah got all those critters, male and female into the boat. I showed him how it can be done by a god, and by modern man.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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pabloesqobar said:
Are you gonna join ISIS and execute gay people? Because that's what they do.

One thing we can do is expose people like you that want homosexuals to be exterminated.

Do you have a problem with that?
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what does ISIS have to do with anything?

this shooter was a mentally disturbed homophobe. he hated gay people just like the republicans do.
 
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pabloesqobar

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UncleBuck said:
what does ISIS have to do with anything?

this shooter was a mentally disturbed homophobe. he hated gay people just like the republicans do.
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You keep repeating that. He pledged his loyalty to ISIS. ISIS took credit for it.

I agree that he was a mentally disturbed homophobe. You can't support ISIS and not be a raging homophobe. Just like you, correct?

Or do you no longer support ISIS? Because 1 year ago you thought they were awesome. Remember that?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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pabloesqobar said:
You keep repeating that. He pledged his loyalty to ISIS. ISIS took credit for it.

I agree that he was a mentally disturbed homophobe. You can't support ISIS and not be a raging homophobe. Just like you, correct?

Or do you no longer support ISIS? Because 1 year ago you thought they were awesome. Remember that?
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i pledged my loyalty to ISIS last night. am i a member of ISIS now?

why are you still sitting there instead of defending the world against ISIS?
 
OddBall1st

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UncleBuck said:
i pledged my loyalty to ISIS last night. am i a member of ISIS now?

why are you still sitting there instead of defending the world against ISIS?
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That`s all one needs to do to become one so, yes. You are officially a Jewish Muslim. 1st ever. I knew you were a broke record.
 
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