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OddBall1st
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Did Trump start that one ?
Olive Drab Green
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Not that one, no. But he will broaden the range of participants in our opposing force.
OddBall1st
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Like the asymmetrical we`re in ?
Olive Drab Green
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Yes, but tenfold.
whitebb2727
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Fear.
Fear is right.
Oh, the big bad boogey man. Terrorist. We have given up a lot because of that fear.
At times I think we are doomed. We refuse to learn from history.
I think our downfall is inevitable.
I know that may sound bleak.
It is what it is.
OddBall1st
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He can`t just start a war. and if he does, it will be declared, not some bypass Congress police crap that breaks troops into groups of three or six and sends them out hunting.
It happened in Boston 3 years ago. It may have happened since then but I'm in Boston so it sticks out to me. There was a shitload of armed police, didn't help.I'm not against guns or for them. I don't think it matters if people wanna kill people they'll find a way. People over react and make laws that really aren't gonna do shit.
Olive Drab Green
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Highly doubtful. He's a total egomaniac. He will probably bipass Congress like Bush did with Iraq and I suspect his first target would be China, Russia, or some other Hajj country. If only to feed his ego.
OddBall1st
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When we abandoned Iraq at the pressures from the people back home, it set the stage for ISIS to mass murder at will. Muslims to note.
Fogdog
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Half the world's population are members of Islam. You foam at the mouth and say they are all alike. They are not. The country with largest number of people in Islam is Indonesia, a beautiful place where you or I can go on vacation without concern. Or how about Malaysia? Hardly a hot bed of terrorists living there.
I can point to an area in the US that is controlled by radical homophobic Christians whose citizens on occasion attack women's health clinics, public schools and members of the LGBT community. Why don't you discuss the US south as a hotbed of Christian white supremacist radicalism?
IS is a vile organization and claims to be Islamic but they are condemned by most leaders of that faith. I look forward to your denial of their veracity.
I know I'm writing to a person completely lost to bigotry and so, I'm expecting a completely off the rails response. Don't let me down.
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OddBall1st
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If elected, I doubt he will be as if he is campaigning. Hillary says Donald this and Donald that, then says things like, Donald`s calling Barry names, He`s calling me names. Barry hinted today about politicians tweeting and going on news shows. Forgot to mention the tweeting Hillary and bobblehead Warren have been doing. Remember this ?
Fogdog
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Fixed it for you.
whitebb2727
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What worries me, its not if a country wants to jump on us, its when two or three want to jump on us.
We force our views on a lot of people and stick our nose all over the world. We are resented for it.
Fogdog
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Thanks, That was well said.
OddBall1st
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You must invade before you can abandon,....You fixed nothing.
Are you claiming the People are to blame for invading Iraq ?
SpiderDude
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@Fogdog
Russia Is Reportedly Set To Release Clinton's Intercepted Emails
Reliable intelligence sources in the West have indicated that warnings had been received that the Russian Government could in the near future release the text of email messages intercepted from U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s private e-mail server from the time she was U.S. Secretary of State. The release would, the messaging indicated, prove that Secretary Clinton had, in fact, laid open U.S. secrets to foreign interception by putting highly-classified Government reports onto a private server in violation of U.S. law, and that, as suspected, the server had been targeted and hacked by foreign intelligence services.
The reports indicated that the decision as to whether to reveal the intercepts would be made by Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin, and it was possible that the release would, if made, be through a third party, such as Wikileaks. The apparent message from Moscow, through the intelligence community, seemed to indicate frustration with the pace of the official U.S. Department of Justice investigation into the so-called server scandal, which seemed to offer prima facie evidence that U.S. law had been violated by Mrs Clinton’s decision to use a private server through which to conduct official and often highly-secret communications during her time as Secretary of State.
U.S. sources indicated that the extensive Department of Justice probe was more focused on the possibility that the private server was used to protect messaging in which Secretary Clinton allegedly discussed quid pro quo transactions with private donors to the Clinton Foundation in exchange for influence on U.S. policy.
The Russian possession of the intercepts, however, was designed also to show that, apart from violating U.S. law in the fundamental handling of classified documents (which Sec. Clinton had alleged was no worse than the mishandling of a few documents by CIA Director David Petraeus or Clinton’s National Security Advisor Sandy Berger), the traffic included highly-classified materials which had their classification headers stripped. Russian (and other) sources had indicated frustration with the pace of the Justice Dept. probe, and its avoidance of the national security aspects of intelligence handling. This meant that the topic would be suppressed by the U.S. Barack Obama Administration so that it would not be a factor in the current U.S. Presidential election campaign, in which President Obama had endorsed Mrs Clinton.
Moscow’s discreet messaging about a possible leak of the traffic, in time to impact the U.S. elections, was designed to pressure faster U.S. legal action on the matter, but was largely due to Russian concerns about possible U.S. strategic policy in the event of a Hillary Clinton presidency.
Apart from the breach of U.S. Federal law in the handling of classified material, the Clinton private server was, according to GIS/Defense & Foreign Affairs analysts, always likely to have been a primary target for foreign cyber warfare interception operations, particularly those of the People’s Republic of China (PRC), Russia, and North Korea (DPRK), but probably also by others, including Iran.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-14/russia-reportedly-set-release-clintons-intercepted-emails
Russia Is Reportedly Set To Release Clinton's Intercepted Emails
Reliable intelligence sources in the West have indicated that warnings had been received that the Russian Government could in the near future release the text of email messages intercepted from U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s private e-mail server from the time she was U.S. Secretary of State. The release would, the messaging indicated, prove that Secretary Clinton had, in fact, laid open U.S. secrets to foreign interception by putting highly-classified Government reports onto a private server in violation of U.S. law, and that, as suspected, the server had been targeted and hacked by foreign intelligence services.
The reports indicated that the decision as to whether to reveal the intercepts would be made by Russian Federation President Vladimir Putin, and it was possible that the release would, if made, be through a third party, such as Wikileaks. The apparent message from Moscow, through the intelligence community, seemed to indicate frustration with the pace of the official U.S. Department of Justice investigation into the so-called server scandal, which seemed to offer prima facie evidence that U.S. law had been violated by Mrs Clinton’s decision to use a private server through which to conduct official and often highly-secret communications during her time as Secretary of State.
U.S. sources indicated that the extensive Department of Justice probe was more focused on the possibility that the private server was used to protect messaging in which Secretary Clinton allegedly discussed quid pro quo transactions with private donors to the Clinton Foundation in exchange for influence on U.S. policy.
The Russian possession of the intercepts, however, was designed also to show that, apart from violating U.S. law in the fundamental handling of classified documents (which Sec. Clinton had alleged was no worse than the mishandling of a few documents by CIA Director David Petraeus or Clinton’s National Security Advisor Sandy Berger), the traffic included highly-classified materials which had their classification headers stripped. Russian (and other) sources had indicated frustration with the pace of the Justice Dept. probe, and its avoidance of the national security aspects of intelligence handling. This meant that the topic would be suppressed by the U.S. Barack Obama Administration so that it would not be a factor in the current U.S. Presidential election campaign, in which President Obama had endorsed Mrs Clinton.
Moscow’s discreet messaging about a possible leak of the traffic, in time to impact the U.S. elections, was designed to pressure faster U.S. legal action on the matter, but was largely due to Russian concerns about possible U.S. strategic policy in the event of a Hillary Clinton presidency.
Apart from the breach of U.S. Federal law in the handling of classified material, the Clinton private server was, according to GIS/Defense & Foreign Affairs analysts, always likely to have been a primary target for foreign cyber warfare interception operations, particularly those of the People’s Republic of China (PRC), Russia, and North Korea (DPRK), but probably also by others, including Iran.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-14/russia-reportedly-set-release-clintons-intercepted-emails
Fogdog
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The ball is rolling downhill to an eventual conclusion. Its roll started when GWB invaded. Obama has been dealing with a hot mess with no clear answers. One of his best moments was to get our troops out of Iraq and let Iraq's own people decide their destiny. As long as we were there, we would be a common enemy and seen as the invaders that we were. Iraq is starting to pull together. We'll see what happens but whatever it is, the US should not commit major troop strength to the region. It's up to the people of Iraq determine what happens there.
Air power support and carrier presence are needed to warn off Iran, that's some good we can do.
People like you seem to think that US military might conquers all. But short of glassifying the region, there is only so much an invading army can do. Exxon won't let that happen, not that I want it to happen either.
Fogdog
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Oh yeah, like that's going to be conclusive. If you think I support Clinton guess again. The only way I'll vote for her is if the election with Trump is too close to call. But my support is another matter.
The reason the US was there was bullshit to begin with. I can't recall any isis terrorists there when saddam ran it. America destroys countries, kills tens of thousands of people, wipes out any infrastructure in underdeveloped can have, find nothing and leave with an ooopps my bad. I cant imagine why people that have lived and grown up there could not like the US after all we've done for them.