My cabinet grow journal!

thanks jig, thought id get a better come back with that than i did....but anyway

Same old same old in the garden guys.

Cut four WW clones the other day thats about it.
Also, started another seed from the #5 plant, the charlie brown looking one that died early. I wanna see what that could have been, so i got one going.

I'm down to only one light running, shut down 1 400watt MH waiting on the mothers to vegg. out for a cut round for outdoor clones.

Peace and happy 420!!!! come to the link in my sig at 8 pm EST for a 420 party!!

Nah, i have flowered under flouros before, it takes alot of time and patience, im gunning to try under hps, but i may start flowering under flouros first.....i've also been thinking about getting cfl's, my first go around was time consuming so i don't know yet, but i need to figure it out because they will be ready soon........

How does it take longer?? Do you have a magical strain that keeps getting bigger until you decide that is enough??
Once you flip to 12/12 the clock starts ticking, and its your job to bombard them with as many photosynthetically active photons as you can before the DEADLINE imposed by/on the plants..
Go get an HPS now!! Or a MH if the deal is way better.. The best place to go is electrical/lighting outfitters that deal with contractors etc.. MH are more common at these places, but alot carry everything, and in stock to boot..
Spend the $50 before flipping to 12/12 and you can get a 10x return on investment after your first harvest.. Wait around swimming in denial for the first few weeks, and you'll realize that fluoros aren't cutting it, you'll finally breakdown and buy HID because it actually produces buds, and is ironically cheaper to buy than cfl, and ACTUALLY PRODUCES LESS HEAT/WATT.. Sadly though you won't get the best harvest that crop because of the time you wasted running fluoros in 12/12..

happy 420!

ol man said:

Nah, i have flowered under flouros before, it takes alot of time and patience, im gunning to try under hps, but i may start flowering under flouros first.....i've also been thinking about getting cfl's, my first go around was time consuming so i don't know yet, but i need to figure it out because they will be ready soon........

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IMO i would keep the flouro's for clones and seedlings, get a MH for motheres, or vegg, and you can even use MH for flower...I do! HPS is said to give more density to the buds, but MH is said to increase taste and trich production.
Flouro's really dont do much for flowering. Unless you do a grow like THIS

born2killspam said:

How does it take longer?? Do you have a magical strain that keeps getting bigger until you decide that is enough??
Once you flip to 12/12 the clock starts ticking, and its your job to bombard them with as many photosynthetically active photons as you can before the DEADLINE imposed by/on the plants..
Go get an HPS now!! Or a MH if the deal is way better.. The best place to go is electrical/lighting outfitters that deal with contractors etc.. MH are more common at these places, but alot carry everything, and in stock to boot..
Spend the $50 before flipping to 12/12 and you can get a 10x return on investment after your first harvest.. Wait around swimming in denial for the first few weeks, and you'll realize that fluoros aren't cutting it, you'll finally breakdown and buy HID because it actually produces buds, and is ironically cheaper to buy than cfl, and ACTUALLY PRODUCES LESS HEAT/WATT.. Sadly though you won't get the best harvest that crop because of the time you wasted running fluoros in 12/12..

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Its true Ol'man, Born knows his stuff, even if it seems like hes screaming at you ....its for your own good!!LOL!!
I would def. go with a HID light for flowering if i were you. I started in FLouro, and switched thanks to the guys here. Now i'm happier than a hippie at a dead concert with my buds!!

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happy 420!

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HAPPY 420 Wretched, Beech, Born, Bone, And everyone else who is sub'd to this forever long journal o' mine!LOL!!!

I SEE.....AND THAT $50.00 JUST TOOK THE F*@KING DEPRESSION OF LACK OF MONEY COMPLETELY OUT OF MY SOUL........!!!!! BORN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? I CAN GET SOME......HID'S FOR $50.00 AND FLOWER, WHILE ALSO KEEPING MY FLORO'S(40WATTS) AND THIS ONE LITTLE LOW WATTAGE CFL?

PS......LOOK, MAFIA......I JUST DID THIS THREAD, I BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO ONE OF MY BABIES AND I'M GETTING NO WHERE REAL FAST BRA, HERE'S THE LINK......I THINK..........https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/186468-leaf-texture-changed.html....HOLLA AT ME WHENEVER YOU GET A CHANCE, I'D APPRECIATE IT.......

Call the lighting/electrical places in your phone-book and ask what they got.. They're usually located in the industrial areas in town.. I got a bunch of stuff from Westburne Electric, and back around 10 years ago I paid ~$50 for 400W kits (but like hard-drives, other sizes weren't much differently priced) with everything except cords and marrettes (electrical wire twists).. These come bare-bones usually.. No chassis, just a bare transformer, bigass capacitor and ignitor if hps.. I implore you to set it up safely with good well insulated connections.. Its also likely you'll need to work out a reflector.. They'll probably only have base-up high-bays.. I got a few as part of kits though, and they can be oddly good for certain areas.. Its imperative that you secure your bulb well, so if you don't have damn good diy skills I'd go buy a cheap one..
Don't worry about fancy plant bulbs, just get whats cheap.. Remember as far as photosynthetic photon counts are concerned, a 400W MH is roughly equal to 275-300W HPS.. So do the math when you decide, but I do really like some MH above my buds for quality sake..
HID hasn't really gone up in price, maybe even gone down.. Sometimes these places require an account with them to get anything not in stock.. Luckily most cities have quite a few places, so call them all

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I SEE.....AND THAT $50.00 JUST TOOK THE F*@KING DEPRESSION OF LACK OF MONEY COMPLETELY OUT OF MY SOUL........!!!!! BORN, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME? I CAN GET SOME......HID'S FOR $50.00 AND FLOWER, WHILE ALSO KEEPING MY FLORO'S(40WATTS) AND THIS ONE LITTLE LOW WATTAGE CFL?

PS......LOOK, MAFIA......I JUST DID THIS THREAD, I BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED TO ONE OF MY BABIES AND I'M GETTING NO WHERE REAL FAST BRA, HERE'S THE LINK......I THINK..........https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/186468-leaf-texture-changed.html....HOLLA AT ME WHENEVER YOU GET A CHANCE, I'D APPRECIATE IT.......

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I got the same error message from that link. Do you have a journal yet, or are you still learning the ropes of starting threads?
Can you explain what is going on to the plants to us?

Also, the more the merrier with the lights, You can use the HID light for flower and flouros for vegg., or use the flouros in with the HID light you get. It would add to the side lighting.

I tried to do a journal, i put it in newbie central, the leaf texture changed was the title. What i did was put one of my babies into flowering after it reached 11", but i reverted back to vegging and the leaf edges changed from the typical, edgey cannabis edges that it had to solid more round edges, and i was wondering what happened and has anyone ever seen this before?

But look, i appreciate yall for sho, sho......!!!!!! I've been on the phone all day today and you're right born, those electrical companies got everything, but i need to know what wattage i should get for my grow room because it's small and i don't want to get it too hot, so the measurements are as follows: 5' 4"- top to bottom, 3' 7"-width, and 3' 10"- front to back......i was thinking a 70 watt fixture kit(it includes everything in it). What yall think......my funds are limited.....

I'd be thinking about how perfect a 400W would be in that area with proper cooling.. I don't think 250W is too common in the contracting world, but even 150W is only sufficient for like a 2x2 area.. Those would be a snap to cool, but with a little effort 400W could be as well, and its perfect for 3x3 area.. You're going to need some fan power anyway.. What are the ambient temps of the area the cabinet is in??

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i'd be thinking about how perfect a 400w would be in that area with proper cooling.. I don't think 250w is too common in the contracting world, but even 150w is only sufficient for like a 2x2 area.. Those would be a snap to cool, but with a little effort 400w could be as well, and its perfect for 3x3 area.. You're going to need some fan power anyway.. What are the ambient temps of the area the cabinet is in??

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its always 70 to 75 @ night, 80 to 85 day time, i can regulate heat fairly well, at night, i can't regulate the cold too much......

Stick 4 100W incandescents in there and play around with fans/thermometers to get an idea of what you can manage.. Cool tubes are pretty kickass btw..

ol man said:

I tried to do a journal, i put it in newbie central, the leaf texture changed was the title. What i did was put one of my babies into flowering after it reached 11", but i reverted back to vegging and the leaf edges changed from the typical, edgey cannabis edges that it had to solid more round edges, and i was wondering what happened and has anyone ever seen this before?

But look, i appreciate yall for sho, sho......!!!!!! I've been on the phone all day today and you're right born, those electrical companies got everything, but i need to know what wattage i should get for my grow room because it's small and i don't want to get it too hot, so the measurements are as follows: 5' 4"- top to bottom, 3' 7"-width, and 3' 10"- front to back......i was thinking a 70 watt fixture kit(it includes everything in it). What yall think......my funds are limited.....

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Sounds like they are just re-vegging. This is normal for plants to do after being flowered and then put back into veg. lighting. It will probably shoot some single blade leaves too before its done. Give it time and she'll kick back into full swing.

That area sounds perfect for a 400 Watt, like born said. Dont worry about how much heat you build up from lights, focus on how to remove that hot air from the cabinet and replace it with fresh cooler air. And as long as you have constant air flow over the plants, there shouldn't be any direct heat issues. I have my 400 watt MH about 10-12 inches above the cola tips and have no burning. I have an oscillating fan on it constantly moving air across the canopy and around the room.

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its always 70 to 75 @ night, 80 to 85 day time, i can regulate heat fairly well, at night, i can't regulate the cold too much......

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With the my 2 400 watt MH my temps stay ate 78-80 in daytime, and around 68-70 at night. Humidity fluctuates of course, but temps are honed in finally.

Like i said, focus on removing the hot air, replacing it with fresh air, and circulating air inside the cabinet with another fan as well. You should be fine. Anything under 400 you get is just weight you are losing in the end.

Thats common when returning to veg.. The leaf margins (edges sometimes lose their serated edge look, and often the leaves will only grow one of those mutant lobes.. Looks absolutely nothing like cannabis really.. Should return to normal a few nodes up.. No big deal..

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well, just dropped my one tomato plant into a 2 gallon hempy bucket. My small SOG grow is doing great, buds are back to swelling up now.
Tied over my original PPP hempy in the butter bowl, to get some growth out of the lowers. Need them in a few more weeks for clones. I plan on doing a cutting session for 20-30 clones next round. 20 for outside, 10 for inside.
Picked up some of that reflective insulation board today to stand up as temp. side walls in my flower cabinet. I have one 400 down at the moment, for no other reason than having nothing under it at the moment. I want to keep the light as close as possible while they finish up the next three weeks.
Currently have 4 WW clones rooting in the dome, and the #5 re-do is not looking good. The sprout has yet to open completely, and is only about 1/4 inch tall. Its at a stand still for some reason. I think it is from being too wet, stayed a little too humid in the dome for two days that i couldn't make it to check on them. My helper is slacking lately on his end of the work!
Vegg cabinet is packed due to the tomato's and re-vegging mothers. Along with the speed of the hempies, i' am running out of room quick. But, all in good hopes to have a good selection of clones to choose from.

QUESTION:
If i top my PPP hempy clone, which is at about 8-9 inches tall now, will it slow down the lowers from growing at the speed they are now?

No it will promote new shoots to grow from the bases of the petioles at nodes below the cut.. It won't affect lower side branch growth at all.. The new shoot development comes at the cost of the upward growth of the shoot that was cut.. You can follow the direct downward path to see where new shoots may develop like tracing a family tree backwards.. Topping the main stalk only promotes new shoots off the main stalk below, topping a secondary stalk will promote growth of new shoots from that secondary stalk and possibly the main stalk below the node where that topped shoot is.. How far back along that path new 'worthwhile' growth will develop is variable though.. Usually the 2 nodes immediately below the cut will grow strong shoots.. Thats why when I topped in later crops, I topped viciously.. From like 5-7 nodes, down to the second true node.. Responses to butchering during veg are alot different than during flowering..

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No it will promote new shoots to grow from the bases of the petioles at nodes below the cut.. It won't affect lower side branch growth at all.. The new shoot development comes at the cost of the upward growth of the shoot that was cut.. You can follow the direct downward path to see where new shoots may develop like tracing a family tree backwards.. Topping the main stalk only promotes new shoots off the main stalk below, topping a secondary stalk will promote growth of new shoots from that secondary stalk and possibly the main stalk below the node where that topped shoot is.. How far back along that path new 'worthwhile' growth will develop is variable though.. Usually the 2 nodes immediately below the cut will grow strong shoots.. Thats why when I topped in later crops, I topped viciously.. From like 5-7 nodes, down to the second true node.. Responses to butchering during veg are alot different than during flowering..

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Thanks born, didn't think it would do anything, just wanted to check before i went chopping again!LOL
Thanks again!

Well, She got whacked a few days ago hung upside down and now the girl stopped screaming, so she can come down!LOL!!

Here she is guys Lucy #2 coming down and going to bags. Enjoy

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I had to come back to read what happened to her.

Nice job!

Ey, mafia and born......!!!!!!! Im sorry, but i need you guys real bad......i dun screwed up and broke the top of one of my babies and i don't have anything i need for the clone, and i don't know how to handle the mother either after breaking it......it's only been 20 minutes since i broke her and posted this, but the clone's leaves are already limp and showing signs of unhappiness......the last time i did something like this it didn't turn out good......i don't have any clone solution, rockwool or extra soil and i can't get any of that any time soon......can i do this with just water? And what do i need to do to the mother?