New grow room I just built but have quesrtions

Third Pic two almost! PLANT YOU CAN SEE ON RIGHT IS LST"D>>>not sure what happened tryed to just post but??? oh well..Your plant's are awesome and will out yield mine! the origional seed crop yielded 18 oz's one plant other three19-24 oz's this yield will only hit about 12-16 oz's per! The smoke is incredible remind's me of lamb's bread...you forget everything!! I lst'd to 22" tall and main stem is 1 inch dia+ 3 gal prune pot's (Hydro will yield more!) and 4X4 square space w/emergency blanket's for mylar cheap ghetto grow 62yo poor!! I will be growing clone's again after this grow they are all ready this time 12 LSD and no G13/haze...will put away for christmas gift's...my house smell's like honey! my neighbor down the road by my mail box told me he wanted whatever was blooming so sweet on my porch!!(big porch garden with all flower's and tree's!! you have much to look foreward too just watch for spider mite's had visit 2nd week of flower used no pest strip all gone two day's..don't judge plant's while viewing under light's or you will miss the sign's of any deficiency! (knew that but still f'd up!) keep posting through the grow my friend! >>>sorry for posting pic's on your thread without asking...just got excited!!What a high!!last pic from seed run.. WOW!

damn over a lb a plant huh....in a 4x4 space..what light are you using...what other secrets do you hold lol

Jack...post all the photos of your LSD's here you want! It just encourages me even more....especially this being my first indoor grow..but I'm not doing too bad for a 61 y.o DFH...lol. My first grow was outdoors behind a garage when I was 17 y.o...and those ain't nuthin' like whatcha get today!!..but then again herb was $30 a Z then and NO ONE sold herb in grams...grams were for hash...HA!
I'm going all out on these girls...trying out air pots that should be here Tues-Wed of this week and after I transplant I'll try to stake em' with cut pieces of wire hangers to get the LST method started..like they show in this site...
http://www.indoormarijuanaseeds.com/advanced-indoor-cannabis-growing-techniqes/low-stress-training-lst-growing-marijuana.html
....although I hope I'm not too far along to try that...I'd shoot myself if the main stem breaks {{{{{shuddering}}}}}.

Been using Fox Farms nutes and a 600Watt MH in a cool tube and haven't needed to turn on the inline fan yet which is nice. I'm down near my LaundryRoom too. I framed in some walls and hung a reflective white drop ceiling. I hung an 8' metal pipe a 1/2" below the tiles so I can slide my cool tube from side to side if need be which was a nice idea I think. Painted the walls with a very white flat white paint. Beher's Ultra White. Had a small almost new humidifier that I never used...Had it for years and now I found good use for it ....Have a big nice dehumidifier I use to use for a house I came from where the basement flooded on occasion. Glad I have that baby too! My play rooms really coming together. Even mounted my ballast on the wall today..woohoo...little things...ya know? lol...

I also have a blue plastic tarp set up outside to catch rain water in clean spackle buckets. I've got 15 gallons of water to dip into for my girls.Need to buy a nute syringe to measure out my nutes..It's a PITA using measuring spoons.

You mentioned mites? I don't think thats what I have but I do see one..maybe two teeny tiny..what look like knats..flying around which I'm guessing isn't unusual. I doubt they're spider mites but I'll keep an eye on em'. Might buy a cpl of strips of fly paper just to be safe..if that'd work.

Having a hard time getting the humidity up to 60%....hmmmm...just cranked the humidifier up a few more notches cause it went down to 55% at 86deg.

Question: so if I wanna LST em' and it's been a month from seedlings and they're the size you see in the photos I posted...after I transplant in the new air pots
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Superoots-Air-Pot-4-6-Gal-17-5L-/320804093679?pt=Planters_Pots&hash=item4ab169feef#ht_622wt_1165
how much longer should I keep em' in the veg state to take advantage of LSTing them?

EDIT..the last link for the air pots shows them to be 5.2 gallons but I scored the 4.6 ers...5 of em'..plus 5- 1 liter ones for seedlings... I think I bought out all the rest of the guys 4.6 pots...whewww. I'm sure he'll get more if anyoneelse wants to score any. He's the least expensive out there that I could find...with combined shipping too..

Veg as long as you want, depending on your space. When your space looks half-full, switch to flower. They will continue to veg for a a short time and then stretch and fill up your space. Whatever woks best for you, some folks 12/12 from seed, some veg for 2-3 weeks, some veg for months.

Oh looky here..I just hit my 100th post. do I win anything...a volcano Vape maybe...hahaha
Thanks green...I needed that info. I've been vegging with my 600 watt'er on 24 hours since I put them in the small pots...then into the ones they're in now that you se in my posts....exactly a month ago tomorrow.I figured longer light can't hurt.
So OK...after I transplant them into my 4.6 air pots and start LSTing em'....I'll just keep the light on as it's been...24 hours until they're the size I think looks amazing...lol...for the room size that is.
Was thinking today...even though my MH bulb is new (a month of use now.. 24 hours) I better score another just in case sumpin' goes haywire. I'm already getting paranoid...lol

kermit2692 said:

damn over a lb a plant huh....in a 4x4 space..what light are you using...what other secrets do you hold lol

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Thats what I was thinking....I think he said he was using 1000 watters too if that has anything to do with it..

EDIT...if yer reading this Jack...who'd you score your beans from? Got mine from Tude' but wasn't thrilled with the % that sprouted.

if the little flies are white they could be whiteflies and those are a pest...easier dealt with than spider mites by a long shot though..anyway they are probably just fruit flies lol...for the 100 post your status might have changed from stranger to marijuana toker but im not sure ....so far knock on wood im 2 for 2 on germing from attitude since im just getting around to the beans i purchased there. i really think that depends more on luck of the draw than anything as i used to go through planetskunk and bought a pack of the white skunk and had 9 for ten then from the same site same pack next go i got only 6 for ten...and usually my germ methods are pretty solid so i figured older seeds or a bad pack...didnt realize you were using the mh for veg im glad i agreed earlier with two feet from the top if you wanted a little stretch because i thought you were only using flouros as i usually do for veg!! you probably thought i was crazy when i said i keep my lights 3ish inches away lol unless i had denoted they were flouros idr now...but ya 18 or so inches is the lowest you will want to put an hid just so i clarify and dont sound stupid

kermit2692 said:

if the little flies are white they could be whiteflies and those are a pest...easier dealt with than spider mites by a long shot though..anyway they are probably just fruit flies lol...for the 100 post your status might have changed from stranger to marijuana toker but im not sure ....so far knock on wood im 2 for 2 on germing from attitude since im just getting around to the beans i purchased there. i really think that depends more on luck of the draw than anything as i used to go through planetskunk and bought a pack of the white skunk and had 9 for ten then from the same site same pack next go i got only 6 for ten...and usually my germ methods are pretty solid so i figured older seeds or a bad pack...didnt realize you were using the mh for veg im glad i agreed earlier with two feet from the top if you wanted a little stretch because i thought you were only using flouros as i usually do for veg!! you probably thought i was crazy when i said i keep my lights 3ish inches away lol unless i had denoted they were flouros idr now...but ya 18 or so inches is the lowest you will want to put an hid just so i clarify and dont sound stupid

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Being a newb I didn't catch the flouros right off but I did wonder and when I re-read it I did catch the fact you were using flouros and they're way cooler. Just didn't say anything cause I figured you figured...lol. I also did a dbl take when Jack said he was getting close to a pound off each of his plants...wonder if that was wet..but why would anyone use a wet weight?..although I have seen some people in these forums use it. Maybe it just makes em' feel better...lol.

BTW...I do think they're fruit flies and it's just a cpl...so far, so next time I'm at HD...I'm picking up a cpl a fly strips like Jack used as well. Can't hurt...ain't like it's poison.

Just checked again and can't seem to get the humidity level over 51%...goes up occasionally but usually drop to 51% at around 83℉...hmmmm Got the humidifier cranked all the way up too...Weird...and I'm using the ExCaliber to measure the levels and another cheaper one which says the same thing. Odd. tomorrows another day so we shall see..

and yeh..my status went from being able to roll one to being a toker.....whoop dee do...lol...I'll celebrate with a favorite youtube clip...lol... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDQANmQO2g0

your humidity should rise in time and im sure you just moved up the setting so it still kicks on if it needs to so i mean at 50 your not going to see any problems most likely just a little higher is ideal....ive seen the lb plant done before by other people but they always have long veg times and alot of light...

The bean's came from Barney's farm and the weight is dry....vege 6 wek's and lst...not that special! have friend's who grow 2+lb's out in their yard lst'd..16 week plant's it takes twice the time to vege and flowering take's 9 week's not eight as advertised!! still have swell to go!!3 more week's beforee "full" ..

kermit>>>just time clone stage my world is a month..then vegative 6 week's minimun or 30" then if lst'd three more week's for training limb's with weight's to bend way down and shape to open up..so 6-7 month's from start not 4-5 week's it won't grow that way!!need root's time to really be huge (for bud production)...no secret just time and work (the longer you grow a plant the more likely you will see problem's creep in...mite's was visited 2nd week flower...lack of ca-mg ..didn't notice due to viewing crop under grow light's only and could not pick up the yellowing between the vain's!!(don't make this mistake my friend's!) this is a clone crop the seed crop was much nicer and will probably only yield this crop 14-18 oz's not as thick! so far anyway judging from last one!! also deficiencie's missed will net loss of bud also! If you compare yield's you may actually be better off with sog and done fast with no vege time!!!!!!and little problem's...light spact and depth of penatration=yield (GENETIC"S) is the main thing not the grower!! you can't make chicken soup out of chicken shit! Ths problem I had with the seed's was the streech...keeping below the light's so the bud's grew sideway's made these clone's shorter (used HPS for vege not flouresent's!) but will yield about the same...XXL reflector with 30" deep penatration...cfl's (UVB) for resin production!!!BUT AGAIN IT"S THE GENETIC"S not me..62yo fart growing over 50 year's ghetto grow you all can do better!BOTTOM LINE GET GOOD BEAN"S!!!! will try 7 gal prune pot's next grow "ULTIMATE" and see if we yield better! 3 gallon prune pot's and mycorrihazze now..fox farm nute's 1/2 strength and cal-mg with molassis...

thanks for the info!!..is the mycorrihazze the same a using like a cold processed squid or is the squid just what feeds the mycorrihazze? those are just little organisms right?! should i be adding more as i believe they are naurally in the soil....or do i have something way wrong here

kermit>>processed squid?? Mycorihazze is alive it is small beneficial fungus that aid's the root's in taking up nutrient's should be used through out grow when transplanting ect..bigger root's bigger bud's..each phase of growth has it's purpose...when clone's pinch first root's to make a better root ball,add mychorihazze and then when in early vegeative growth try to consolidate root's ie prune pot's..let grow vegetive until right height for flowering..slowly (50%on ballast) harden off under hps and then turn up light and spray with sns217 (Be proactive like spraying clone's/seedling's with sns bug spray befor they appear!)For mold mildew...finish blooming with no problem's..I'm sure you have more than enough knowledge to kick ass..But remember it's all about the GENETIC'S!!!CAN'T MAKE CHICKEN SOUP WITH CHICKEN ----! WISHING YOU THE BEST POSSIBLE GROW MY FRIEND! JACK

You can shut light's off without problem! ie like the sun going behind a cloud! Fox farm nut's at full strength dependant on mix and seed! 24hour's is a net loss.. but do not change course until you switch to 12/12 or plant's may stunt! Plant's do repair's durring the dark period (arguabley) I feel and rushing your grow only give's problem's at the same speed. I grow with my 1000 watter at the very top and never move..plant's grow into the space available in my world! my bud's certainly don't suffer! ALLWAY"S HAVE SPARE BULB ON HAND! HPS no question grow's plant's in vegetave stouter and denser wit tight internodes...you will use for flower IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FLOWER'S!! no one cares about your vege!! It's a mean's to an end only! Do NOT USE miracle grow anything as it has wrong nute's and will vege huge but give you airey or no bud!! again it's about the bud!!Find something else! really it has time release crap and no mycorrihazze...And some seed's like more nute's so go with your gut weather to feed full schedule or 1/2 strength remember you can allways add more but a burn is a serious loss 15% of bud!! if in flower! I probably use near full strength on my nutes..I just pour one then the next and add cha ching by shaking it out!! Haven't checked the ppm or ph in months! try a soiless mix but if it's coco use sludge hammer twice 4 week's apart as it will hold the salt's!(from the nute's) talk to you soon, Kep smiling! jack

Thanks Jack...yeh..I had a feeling about the Miracle grow soil. I didn't choose the one that said it had the extra time released nutes in it but still..I'll try a local nursery. Maybe they have something like the ProMix I used to get.
BTW...sent you a part one..then part two in a PM cause part one was too big...prolly cuz it had what you wrote on top...so I deleted your part and resent part two....this PM system kinda sucks cause it doesn't show up in my SENT box. I only know you got it when you reply...whatever..ugh..

Have to transplant in a cpl of days so I'll search out some new soil..don't wanna have to make my own this time around. I'm sure a nursery must have something. I'll just use a PH test kit to be sure it's not too up or down....I tried a kit on the Miracle Grow soil I used and it was just a hair under 7.0...and I started with just H2o rainwater and no nutes till a week or so ago and then I made it diluted the first week. this past week I went full up as per FF's chart..
Thanks again brother!

Well in that case you found without the Timed release crap you may be ok brother...but if you can I would change! Your im came through this system suck's I can't send you private pic's ..no computer option for upload!! wanted to show you pic's...other don't see..my biggest cola's..Use mycorrihazze when transplant liberally in hole, for root consolidation prune pot's when root's go to edge they are redirected to form large root ball for heavy bud production!!

OK...just got back home from work an hour ago and the air-pots I ordered were sitting at my front door and luckily I just picked up new bag of top soil that had nothing in it but peat moss...Exhausted as I was I put the air-pots together and attempted the transplant (sounds like I'm doing a heart transplant and it felt like it too...lol). Transplant of the four plant were successful. I had to scrape off some soil from around the ball and whatever was loose from the bottom of it to get rid as much of that Miracle Grow because the new air pots were about an 1"-1 !/2" narrower than what I took them out of but they were 6+" deeper. Filled the bottom of the new air pots up with new soil...scraped the ball with my finger tips and pushed it into the new pots. I took my stash of rain water (2 gallons) and put that into my watering can along with 1/2 teaspoon of Superthrive. Watered each air-pot immediately.

Took a wire hanger and wrapped some white duct tape around where I bent it so as to give my girls a pillow...slipped one of those bent hangers down around the main stem and bent'r over till I my heart quit beating....lol...and left it at that. Maybe I'll bend it over more in a day or so. I only bent one so far. Wanted ask ask you how ya'll think it looks before I go ahead and do the other three. Is it worth doing at this point or am I too late? Seems Ok...but I am a noob'n all and I love my girls so....
Whatcha think??

You can see the one I bent over. Twwo shots of that one...it's in the forefront on the right as you can see. One shot overhead...if you look you can see the white duct tape slightly over the stalk...and the other shot is straight on...Mannnnnn was I shittin' doin' that

Air temps been pretty good...close to constantly around 85* and humidity with my humidifier crankin' its been keeping it just over 65%...
..and Jack...gonna try and find the mycorrihazze...

OK..so one more time...should I do the other three LST'ing like I did that one and should I try and bend'r over more in a day or so??
Thanksssssss
abuilder
EDIT: How do ya like how I have my Caliber lll Humidistat or whatever they're called fastened to the top of a chrome rod I have stuck into one of the pots...I slide the rod up to the top of the tallest plant as it grows. Lets me know if my lights too hot and at the top of the tallest plant...and if I need to raise it
EDIT TWO:..oh, and Jack...I had each plant in the next room as I transplanted them so it was out of the light and I was able to check them with no grow light. They couldn't look healthier Just hope the transplant didn't shock em' but it's been a cpl of hours now and they still seem fine...{{{{prayin'}}}}}
EDIT FOUR...lol: Just checked out yer plants Jack...WOWWWWWWW Sick!! Those the LSD's huh? amazing!!! I'm salivating more'n my dog does...lol

Looking awesome!!great job THAT WILL PAY YOU BACK IN SPADES!! look's great I use s hooks and weight to bend mine but any way..what ever work's for YOU!Verry clean neat grow..well done!! Quality in Quality out!!Never used the hormon's in a grow (superthrive) it's a plant steroid but all my friend's swear by it! Different strokes for different folks! I'm old and change goes slow!! ha ha move slow and sure can't wait to see your yield!! Keek lst'ing slow steady...wish you great success!!!jack

Thanksssss Jack...appreciate the encouragement
Just re-did the wire hooks...Wasn't happy with where I had em'...I mover it up to the last internode so the bend wasn't as sharp at the base plus this let me get the top further down too now. So what...just wait till the end grows and wrap it around the pot?..and whats popping up from the stalk now?...those off branches or whatever they're called should grow straight up now?

I only did the Superthrive b/c I heard great things about it and heard lotta folks used it especially when they transplant so..I did it.
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