Not a right

Government's attempt at creating a new "right", health care forcibly paid for by others, is an attempt to establish government as the provider of rights. That would be wrong and in conflict with natural rights.

The emtional aspect of "free healthcare" seems to have many people clamoring for it to be a "right".

How can it be a right if it infringes on the right of others, by the mandatory nature of the proposed legislation?

Some responses to the question above will seek justification for healthcare as a right by citing the "goodness", the responsibility to fellow man and other perceived positive outcomes of mandatory healthcare.


It IS good to help others, but this goodness cannot overcome the fact that forcing others to comply is a VIOLATION of anothers rights. This is conveniently ignored by proponents of the "healthcare is a right" crowd.
The unintended consequences are being ignored, taking a choice from one person to placate another is a bad precedent.

londonfog said:

President Obama is only trying to correct the mistakes of the Bush years..Did not Bush have a surplus when he came in office and left a huge deficient on his leaving office..Bush steered this country into a mess. President Obama is trying to guide it back...but we know you a Bush fan

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londonfog said:

Great well here is a number that Your hero Bush left

National Debt Increase: $4.9 trillion.
U.S. Military Deaths In Iraq: 4,228

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Bush isn't my hero. Bush was a good president in certain respects and just plain awful in others.


Let me clue you in. If one administration goes off on a spending spree, and the economy hits the skids, the next administration should NOT follow suit. As for spending, Obama is Bush to the power of ten. How is this good?

So defending the outrageous spending of Obama by pointing out other spending tells me you don't understand the principles at play, just the schoolyard mentality of "it's my turn to spend now".

Please Bush was awful in every way.... and like you said numbers don't lie... and if our President Obama has to spend more to correct the bs that Bush put this country in then I support him... Let me clue you in... War cost money lots and lots of money,,When Bush made the dumb decision to start another war in Iraq when you have not completed the war in Afgan that only hurt this country.... There is no such thing as a free lunch, and there is no such thing as a free war. The Iraq adventure has seriously weakened the U.S. economy, whose woes now go far beyond loose mortgage lending. You can't spend $3 trillion -- yes, $3 trillion -- on a failed war abroad and not feel the pain at home. So you keep denying Bush was not your hero, but we both know the truth..and again if Obama has to spend the same amount that your Bush did in Iraq more power to him...at least he spending it at home not in some stupid wasteful war...and by the why I was in the service so I do know what war is and not about...

There's just one problem with increasing govt. spending.... it doesn't work!! You support going from the frying pan to the fire. You are going to get your wish....just remember that later.

yawn...same verse same as first...Cracker just seat back for the ride..President Obama got you

I have already taken the necessary steps to insulate my funds from Obamgeddon. You will be the one twisting in the wind. You will have my sympathy however.

Obamgeddon.... it's coming.

Hmmmmm ...I guess you the same guy I was able to sell dry water to when everyone was afraid of the Y2k Bug.... Obama ohhhhhhh he the boogieman.... Believe me this country will be all right... It was time for a change and we got it....Bush had us about to fall apart and you worried about Obama....Don't worry about me bro...you just keep sending your worth offshore and build you a little bunker in your home...lol...me I'm about to place another bid on another contract that I hope to win...

CrackerJax said:

I have already taken the necessary steps to insulate my funds from Obamgeddon. You will be the one twisting in the wind. You will have my sympathy however.

Obamgeddon.... it's coming.

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The soothsayer has spoken... Is Obamegeddon coming before Israel nukes Iran though?

londonfog said:

Hmmmmm ...I guess you the same guy I was able to sell dry water to when everyone was afraid of the Y2k Bug.... Obama ohhhhhhh he the boogieman.... Believe me this country will be all right... It was time for a change and we got it....Bush had us about to fall apart and you worried about Obama....Don't worry about me bro...you just keep sending your worth offshore and build you a little bunker in your home...lol...me I'm about to place another bid on another contract that I hope to win...

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funny but not germane. No, the Israel attack will come first....spiking our foreign drawn oil. Then the real misery will begin...

Numbers folks...it's all in the numbers. They are now being lined up against us...on purpose I perceive.

Cracker I was sitting here saying to myself why this guy so negative...has he always been this way...Is there any truth in the stuff he says ....so I went back to read some of your post..Well what happen with this prediction guy... https://www.rollitup.org/politics/117249-while-nero-fiddled-iran-got.html

I think I will start a thread just for you named "Is CrackerJax Cracking Up"... Dude you to damn paranoid

I'm spot on with Iran...only the time table is off. i can't have access to that info...but the intent is quite CLEAR....from Iran's own mouths even....not enough for some who wish to bury their heads in the sands of failure....once again. History always repeats on the uninformed and apathetic.

I'm going to start that thread up again. It's becoming more timely with each passing day.

I'm not a negative person at all. I am however a realist. I'm not here to build your personal self esteem in politics. It's a tough, rough world. Wishing it away is nice, but completely ineffective.

Ummm nobody said anything about you building up anyones self-esteem..I for one, although somewhat new to this forum, find you a person that saids thing to suit his believes with zero prove of what he is talking about...The intel??? are you in the service...??? did you serve in any branch of the service??? what intel are you talking about??? Fox news.....you clearly stated that they would have the weapon by mid January of this year....Once again YOU ARE PROVEN WRONG....I guess only thing Republicans can do now is say no and try to scare people....

Intel?? Never said I had access to intel.... read it again.

Once again, for the 3rd time...I'm not a Republican.

jrh72582 said:

Thanks for your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

I personally subscribe to a transcendental ethic, NOT utilitarian. And this deontology just doesn't cut it anymore. However, your opinion is respected.

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Great now we can all get killed off so this guy can have his robot legs . . .

transcendental= genetic engineering, eugenics, bionic enhancement

We are such arrogant animals . . . . .

All the transcendental ethic guys have joined unions.... ironic.

CrackerJax said:

All the transcendental ethic guys have joined unions.... ironic.

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It sounds so divine too "transcendental" but "eugenics" sounds cool too . . . .

CrackerJax said:

Intel?? Never said I had access to intel.... read it again.

Once again, for the 3rd time...I'm not a Republican.

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Cracker maybe you need to go read your own stuff again ..https://www.rollitup.org/politics/117249-while-nero-fiddled-iran-got.html .... You state "the latest intelligence report...Intel is short for intelligence which I'm sure you know....so are you forgetting what stuff you posting now..geezzzz..no worries I will remind you...so what report was this and where did you get it??? nevermind we know you just like to sound like you know what you are talking about ....Oh yeah I forget that you say you are an independent...that votes Rep and bashes Dems and Obama...Please do us a favor when you start to talk about this and that in the political arena have some proof to back up your claims...Man and if everyone starts talking about they not Rep. you guys not going to have a party anymore...OBAMA 2012

Oh I thought you were referring to the post above yours in this thread..... just go to the other thread if you want to make a comment there..it gets confusing for everyone with all the cross threads....\

Post it and I'll respond.... but from what you said already, I was quoting the latest intel from the Pentagon. Time lines are difficult because Iran has places they will not allow anyone to inspect....for years now. They didn't build those fancy rockets for nothing you know. Think Iran is entering the space race? Hardly...they are on gas rationing because they have no economy and must sell any oil they pump out of the ground. So, why a rocket? Figure it out.

No I wanted you and everyone else to see in this post how you just talk with zero proof and you still doing it ...Can you please link me to that pentagon report that states that Iran would have that by January of 2009....hmmmm maybe you were qouting Cheney....I guess its the same report that had WMD in Iraq...but do please link me to that pentagon report...

Us spies have already said that Iran will be in NO position to produce a nuclear weapon until 2012 at the very earliest. The NIE backs this up also...