Nutrient companies are stealing our / your money. Lets talk about it!

OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Hygrozyme - a nice product that can help with a lot of things. Except it's about 100000000000000000000000000% overpriced.

Buy Pondzyme instead. Dirt cheap. Works the same. Or brew worm/compost tea. Even cheaper.

Clear res - nice product that will help with reservoir problems and with cloning if you don't have chlorine if your tap water. Again, about 100000000000000000000% overpriced. Buy Pool Shock in powdered form - approximately 60% calcium hypochlorite (make sure it's not silicone or anything else). Mix it in at 0.035g/L and you basically have created a litre of Clear res and it cost you about 5 cents instead of 10 bucks or whatever the hell they are charging.

Also, if you're in Canada there's a lineup of nutrients called H.O.G (I think it stands for high output gardening) that is a clone of GH's 3 part. It's also less than half the price. It works identically in my experience with both (sometime ago). I'm not sure if it's available in the states, I suspect there are rules they need to get past if they even want to bother. It's manufactured around Vancouver. Literal clone.
 
Darth Vapour

Darth Vapour

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phil k said:
i hope PK knows high time just got called out for their BEST IN HYDRO they were taking extra moola from the larger companies to put their lines and shit in the articles... i don't think anyones even begging to comprehend not only what your paying for but what your actually getting. and what these companies are making in order to keep you thinking they are the best. more over if you did know damn near anything about growing... plants... plants biology ... nutrient uptake.. how your nutrients are utilized and why... you wouldnt be that guy who thinks a 600$ chemical line makes your grow better than anyone else.... when in reality yours is much much worse.. your feeding chemicals made from salts and metals that leave massive salt deposit and me talk waste in your soil...

hell you hydro and chemical guys are the reason for spider mites... they are attracted and feed off the waste from your chemicals that sits in your media... i havent dealt with bugs in i don't know how damn long years... up years since i started 100% true organic growing with no chemicals ever.

the only bug we ever get is soil gnats and they only come when you don't know how to water a plant. ... or hell you can amend diatomaceous earth into the soil and fix it too...... screw chemicals...
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Spidermites ?? lol holy crap man read what you wrote hahaha last time i checked spider mites feed off of plants then you mention only thing in organics is gnats interesting i grow both ways and have had gnats in chemical soiless mediums
but hey while were on topic what about root aphids ,, snails , slugs cut worms catipillars shall i carry on ???
what is organic ??? and to give you a heads up insects play a crucial role in real organics
only difference between chem and organics is one is readily available and other needs to be broken down in order for plants to uptake its nutrient source at the end of the day does the plant know the difference ????? .. NPK IS NPK
People mention organic grown medical marijuana here PROVE IT ... is it certified..... if not then blow it out your snot box its not organically grown ... TMU know one is organic certified least not yet ... but Hey if you want to really get down n nasty i can provide you with actual certed organic farms that use chem pesticides allowed ??? you would be better off not to go there though trust me on that ...
I remember reading years ago where they had this weed out at a cup or something and they rolled it all up and started smoking it guy saying it was organic grown owe they were like dam this tastes so good blah blah blah ,, sad truth is it was grown but when they actually said it was grown with chem ,, the looked pretty fucking stupid
 
hydroMD

hydroMD

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phil k said:
i hope PK knows high time just got called out for their BEST IN HYDRO they were taking extra moola from the larger companies to put their lines and shit in the articles... i don't think anyones even begging to comprehend not only what your paying for but what your actually getting. and what these companies are making in order to keep you thinking they are the best. more over if you did know damn near anything about growing... plants... plants biology ... nutrient uptake.. how your nutrients are utilized and why... you wouldnt be that guy who thinks a 600$ chemical line makes your grow better than anyone else.... when in reality yours is much much worse.. your feeding chemicals made from salts and metals that leave massive salt deposit and me talk waste in your soil...

hell you hydro and chemical guys are the reason for spider mites... they are attracted and feed off the waste from your chemicals that sits in your media... i havent dealt with bugs in i don't know how damn long years... up years since i started 100% true organic growing with no chemicals ever.

the only bug we ever get is soil gnats and they only come when you don't know how to water a plant. ... or hell you can amend diatomaceous earth into the soil and fix it too...... screw chemicals...
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Lmao

Mites only eat chemically grow plants?


Only thing you have to worry about in organics are gnats?


Wtf you talking about!!!

Thrips, mites, aphids, gnats etc will grow on any plant, organic or not lol.

I guess mites have been chasing down chemical ferts in nature the last million years

Idiot
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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hydroMD said:
Your memes are cute

But seriously ive never seen a single bud of top shelf grown by you... now you suggest dynagrow LMFAO.

Ya got no skill bruh
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you are a whiney crybaby bitch. guess what brah, no one cares,lmfao go post another crybaby thread about how you got your feelings hurt and youre leaving this site. But guess what, here you are,back again. what an idiot.

 
phil k

phil k

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hydroMD said:
Lmao

Mites only eat chemically grow plants?


Only thing you have to worry about in organics are gnats?


Wtf you talking about!!!

Thrips, mites, aphids, gnats etc will grow on any plant, organic or not lol.

I guess mites have been chasing down chemical ferts in nature the last million years

Idiot
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wholly shit READ THE DAMN post properly ...first of mites are attracted to certain chemical smells released from plants when they are weak and dying.... when people grow with chemicals they are 90% of the time stressing the grows to their max.. which in return releases the chemicals that attracts mites.. AND there are some chemicals/salts/metals that are used in our chemicals base feed, that replicates the smells our weak and dying plants release that attracts the damn mites... please don't sit and try to talk to me like your running 100% pure zero chemical grows... and have been for years ... I'm so sick of arguing how things work with people that only know one or two damn things about growing... how bugs feed and live and what irritates me more is people with little to no college education in plant sciences.
 
phil k

phil k

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and no in 5 years since i haven't touched a single chemical other than clonex for my clones... i have never one single time had a bug issue outside of soil mites... i don't think your understanding the statement.. people that run chemicals are always stressing their plants.. which release pheromones that attract bugs to weaker plants.... they are always leaving excess waste and foods inside their root or soil zones... ALL OF WHICH not only attracts but allows bugs to feed and thrive..... when all i do i water my plants with freaking water and they never stress never have excess waste sitting in the soils... NO I'm not going to have a breeding ground for bugs and other insects that people do who grow with chemicals.

sorry if you took offense to that statement but its true. people who grow with chemicals indoor are going to face and have more bugs and more variety of bugs than anyone growing with amended soil programs... its the bottom line.
 
phil k

phil k

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Darth Vapour said:
Spidermites ?? lol holy crap man read what you wrote hahaha last time i checked spider mites feed off of plants then you mention only thing in organics is gnats interesting i grow both ways and have had gnats in chemical soiless mediums
but hey while were on topic what about root aphids ,, snails , slugs cut worms catipillars shall i carry on ???
what is organic ??? and to give you a heads up insects play a crucial role in real organics
only difference between chem and organics is one is readily available and other needs to be broken down in order for plants to uptake its nutrient source at the end of the day does the plant know the difference ????? .. NPK IS NPK
People mention organic grown medical marijuana here PROVE IT ... is it certified..... if not then blow it out your snot box its not organically grown ... TMU know one is organic certified least not yet ... but Hey if you want to really get down n nasty i can provide you with actual certed organic farms that use chem pesticides allowed ??? you would be better off not to go there though trust me on that ...
I remember reading years ago where they had this weed out at a cup or something and they rolled it all up and started smoking it guy saying it was organic grown owe they were like dam this tastes so good blah blah blah ,, sad truth is it was grown but when they actually said it was grown with chem ,, the looked pretty fucking stupid
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read the post i just put up
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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great, another salesman with a product to push putting down SYNTHETIC nutes. guess what MR.organic? plants use "organic" and Inorganic minerals.
funny, my plants are green and healthy, they don't look stressed and look forward to a small feed of dyna gro
 
phil k

phil k

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phil k said:
read the post i just put up
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and were not talking about snails.. and shit your not getting inside your indoor grow.. and if you are your the idiot ... I'm talking soley about bugs that are generally found on indoor pot grows...
 
phil k

phil k

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chuck estevez said:
great, another salesman with a product to push putting down SYNTHETIC nutes. guess what MR.organic? plants use "organic" and Inorganic minerals.
funny, my plants are green and healthy, they don't look stressed and look forward to a small feed of dyna gro
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thats the point your not stressing your plants!!! why would you have issues... I'm not saying every fucking person who uses chemicals has bugs god damn.... read the full posts
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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phil k said:
thats the point your not stressing your plants!!! why would you have issues... I'm not saying every fucking person who uses chemicals has bugs god damn.... read the full posts
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"when people grow with chemicals they are 90% of the time stressing the grows to their max"

only 90% of them, not ALL,lol..

but hey, i aerate my water, does that cut me down a few %?
 
phil k

phil k

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chuck estevez said:
"when people grow with chemicals they are 90% of the time stressing the grows to their max"

only 90% of them, not ALL,lol..
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HAHAHA well i guess i should have said 90% of newer growers i mean i hope everyone who knows how to properly grow wouldn't take offense to that..you shouldn't.. but i hope everyone gets what i mean by how they are attracted more through chemical grows than any amended grow.... :)
 
phil k

phil k

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and just to say it before someone wants to throw it in my face YES OBVIOUSLY someone who doesn't know how to grow properly CLEARY can have fucking bug issues of any kind with amended grow too... my point still being more bug issues are going to come when you run chemical lines than if you run amended soils..
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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phil k said:
oh man if PK owns a hydro store i see why he's so adamant!! LOL :P
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I dont own a hydro store! Geez man. I was a angel investor in one in which I helped a buddy of mine out and I got out a few months ago when I was paid back on my loan.

Secondly, it really doesnt matter if I owned one or not. Like I mentioned before the store I was involved with didnt even carry Canna we werent allowed to. They had another store who had been carrying it for 10 years and r shop was too close in proximity to them. Canna has restricions on saturating the market and they run really good business so he couldnt get the contract to become a dealer.

So lemme ask this. And I would even tell ppl at the store who would ask what I like to use Im an honest dude and I tell em straight up I like Canna. So if Im telling people how good Canna is but I dont even have the shit at the store why would I do that? LOL

All u guys do is try come up w/ excuses instead of listening to someone who has experience and is giving u facts. I love the fact that ppl think DYNA GRO & Jacks Classic is good nutrients. Cuz then when I come around w my runs and my work it just looks that much better lol.

All nutrients ARE NOT created equal. Theres been many articles, journals and scientific analysis of how nutrients are made, processed, derived, extracted and chelated. If u think that u can mimic or go the cheap route and get the same results go ahead but ur only hurting yourselves not me so i dont care.

Im simply giving u insight and knowledge from years of experience. You can choose to do whatever u want w the information. Ive done side by sides, Ive experimented and tried almost every nutrient lineup on the market and the top 3 hands down right now in each category that u can use regardless of what the few ppl on here wanna say is:

*Synthetic: Canna - AN - Rock Nutrients (Australia based co.)
Complete is also very good lineup but its fairly new not many places know about or carry it (Based out of Florida - mix of AN & Canna - made by a scientist from AN who started his own company)

*Organic: Bio Bizz - Botanicare - & GH Gen Organics

Bottom of the barrel is: Dyna-Gro - Dutch Masters - Jack's Classic - Atami - Humboldt County

Theres plenty of others and they are all either small companies or not even worth mentioning.
 
chuck estevez

chuck estevez

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pk_boosted2 said:
I dont own a hydro store! Geez man. I was a angel investor in one in which I helped a buddy of mine out and I got out a few months ago when I was paid back on my loan.

Secondly, it really doesnt matter if I owned one or not. Like I mentioned before the store I was involved with didnt even carry Canna we werent allowed to. They had another store who had been carrying it for 10 years and r shop was too close in proximity to them. Canna has restricions on saturating the market and they run really good business so he couldnt get the contract to become a dealer.

So lemme ask this. And I would even tell ppl at the store who would ask what I like to use Im an honest dude and I tell em straight up I like Canna. So if Im telling people how good Canna is but I dont even have the shit at the store why would I do that? LOL

All u guys do is try come up w/ excuses instead of listening to someone who has experience and is giving u facts. I love the fact that ppl think DYNA GRO & Jacks Classic is good nutrients. Cuz then when I come around w my runs and my work it just looks that much better lol.

All nutrients ARE NOT created equal. Theres been many articles, journals and scientific analysis of how nutrients are made, processed, derived, extracted and chelated. If u think that u can mimic or go the cheap route and get the same results go ahead but ur only hurting yourselves not me so i dont care.

Im simply giving u insight and knowledge from years of experience. You can choose to do whatever u want w the information. Ive done side by sides, Ive experimented and tried almost every nutrient lineup on the market and the top 3 hands down right now in each category that u can use regardless of what the few ppl on here wanna say is:

*Synthetic: Canna - AN - Rock Nutrients (Australia based co.)
Complete is also very good lineup but its fairly new not many places know about or carry it (Based out of Florida - mix of AN & Canna - made by a scientist from AN who started his own company)

*Organic: Bio Bizz - Botanicare - & GH Gen Organics

Bottom of the barrel is: Dyna-Gro - Dutch Masters - Jack's Classic - Atami - Humboldt County

Theres plenty of others and they are all either small companies or not even worth mentioning.
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and AGAIN, you haven't noticed not 1 person is buying your BS.? a real grower can grow with Miracle grow. and a REAL grower knows this. Buying bottles of 90% water is for newbs, but you keep on with your superior results, I've seen your schwag.
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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Like I mentioned a million times! If Dyna-Gro and Jack's was so fckin cheap and so good, than how come no facilities who grow commercially use their lineups?
How come almost all big time industrial facilities indoors, green houses, disoensaries etc.. Continue to use Canna - AN - H&G and GH 3 part for a majority of all big grows??

If ppl r trying to make money at end of the day and these products r so cheap wudnt it make sense for them to strictly use Dyna or Jacks? Absolutety!! BUT THEY DONT!! And it is for a reason because the sh*t is an inferior product, its not designed or made for MJ and it doesnt produce quality flowers or provide high yielding results.

Do what u want I dont give a sh*t like I said ur only hurting urselves not me. U wanna listen to other ppl who bash companies and say its over priced when they never even used the products in the first place I find it to be hillarious!

So go out and spend 20$ on ur gardens buy Dyna-Gro its the fckin best out there, I love this sh*t!! Lol
 
pk_boosted2

pk_boosted2

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I dont need anyone to believe me. Everyone can kp using Dyna-Gro on here thats fine w me. Im not here to sell anyone anything Im just providing the knowledge u do whatever u want w the information it doesnt bother me at all.

Everyone went to school some ppl go to Harvard and some ppl drop out like you.

Its what u do w what the teachers w degrees tell u, some ppl learn and experiment and try things for themselves.While other ppl become followers and get by being mediocre at best.

Ive learned through both means of reading, expriementing, trial and error etc... Im just telling the truth u pay for what u get. So kp paying 20$ for ur grows and get ur mediocre results.

Ill pay the money and get the best results its that simple
 
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